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Old Yesterday, 07:20 PM   #1
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Train Engineer Attempts to Crash the USNS Mercy

Eduardo Moreno, a Pacific Harbor Lines railroad engineer, attempted to drive his locomotive into the USNS Mercy, the hospital ship in the Port of Los Angeles. He did not strike the ship but did spill fuel which had to be cleaned up. He said he thought it was "suspicious" and did not believe "the ship is what they say it's for."

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https://abc7news.com/officials-engin...Mce_P6Xg6fXaog

I don't quite know what to say.

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If his thought process went like this:

I'm suspicious about what the ship is to be used for...

I know what do do!! I MUST go drive a train into it!


Then he has either impulse or drug issues.
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"..charged with one count of train wrecking."

This seems like an April Fool's charge.
Wrecking the train isn't exactly the big crime here.

"Whattaya in for?"

"Involved with a train wreck"

"Yeah, I know what you mean brotha."
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They must be using the term engineer loosely. It stopped very far from the ship. It wasn't even close
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How does one drive a train into a ship?
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Originally Posted by arthwollipot View Post
How does one drive a train into a ship?
It's pretty clear from the story, you don't.
You could, I guess, but you'd really need a lot better plan than this guy had.
You know, like maybe starting with some tracks that get reasonably close enough to the ship that you might have a remote chance at success.
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Originally Posted by Sherkeu View Post
"..charged with one count of train wrecking."

This seems like an April Fool's charge.
Wrecking the train isn't exactly the big crime here.

"Whattaya in for?"

"Involved with a train wreck"

"Yeah, I know what you mean brotha."


pfffft! This whole thread is a train wreck!
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Originally Posted by Elagabalus View Post
pfffft! This whole thread is a train wreck!
People are trying to engineer it as that. But they went off the rails.


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Originally Posted by Mike! View Post
It's pretty clear from the story, you don't.
You could, I guess, but you'd really need a lot better plan than this guy had.
You know, like maybe starting with some tracks that get reasonably close enough to the ship that you might have a remote chance at success.
Still not getting it. Train tracks don't end at ships.
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Originally Posted by BobTheCoward View Post
They must be using the term engineer loosely. It stopped very far from the ship. It wasn't even close
Why is that a loose term for the person who was, according to the news report, driving the train? It's true that he did not get very close, because it seems his craziness and stupidity included his perception of how far the train would travel when derailed, but he still appears to have been the engineer.

I suppose that whatever his motive and his intention, since he did fail so spectacularly, "train wrecking" was probably the only thing he could be definitively charged with. He certainly did that.
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Yeah, I guess I should have read the article in the first place. I get what he was trying to do now.
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Originally Posted by bruto View Post
Why is that a loose term for the person who was, according to the news report, driving the train? It's true that he did not get very close, because it seems his craziness and stupidity included his perception of how far the train would travel when derailed, but he still appears to have been the engineer.

I suppose that whatever his motive and his intention, since he did fail so spectacularly, "train wrecking" was probably the only thing he could be definitively charged with. He certainly did that.
Engineer is a term I generally associate with those good at physics. This person seems to have poor understanding of friction.
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Originally Posted by Mike! View Post
It's pretty clear from the story, you don't.
You could, I guess, but you'd really need a lot better plan than this guy had.
You know, like maybe starting with some tracks that get reasonably close enough to the ship that you might have a remote chance at success.
Haven't you watched Hollywood train crashes. They can go for well over a kilometre.
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Originally Posted by BobTheCoward View Post
Engineer is a term I generally associate with those good at physics. This person seems to have poor understanding of friction.
In railroading the engineer is the person who drives the engine, and it has been for a very long time.
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Originally Posted by bruto View Post
In railroading the engineer is the person who drives the engine, and it has been for a very long time.
The engineer is the person who operates the engine.

Funny how it works like that.
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Originally Posted by bruto View Post
In railroading the engineer is the person who drives the engine, and it has been for a very long time.
Good point I would also hope they had a better sense of how far a derailing train can go.
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Originally Posted by BobTheCoward View Post
Engineer is a term I generally associate with those good at physics. This person seems to have poor understanding of friction.
Noting to do with trains or train drivers, but in my experience, if you meet someone who believes they have discovered an over-unity machine or idea for one, or they don't believe in GW or DM or DE or Relativity etc. and you should just listen to them if you are interested in how things actually work, they are probably an engineer.
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Originally Posted by Cheetah View Post
Noting to do with trains or train drivers, but in my experience, if you meet someone who believes they have discovered an over-unity machine or idea for one, or they don't believe in GW or DM or DE or Relativity etc. and you should just listen to them if you are interested in how things actually work, they are probably an engineer.
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Originally Posted by Mike! View Post
It's pretty clear from the story, you don't.
You could, I guess, but you'd really need a lot better plan than this guy had.
You know, like maybe starting with some tracks that get reasonably close enough to the ship...

And then you could lay new track in front of the train as it is going along, like Gromit in The Wrong Trousers.
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People are trying to engineer it as that. But they went off the rails.


[next contestant, please!]
You’re right about going off the rails, but some posters made good points.



[ok, that’s obscure but someone will get it]
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Originally Posted by Norman Alexander View Post
If his thought process went like this:

I'm suspicious about what the ship is to be used for...

I know what do do!! I MUST go drive a train into it!


Then he has either impulse or drug issues.
I think it is easy to understand this guy; just imagine that Donald Trump’s father had been a fireman on a steam engine instead of a multi-millionaire.
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Originally Posted by arthwollipot View Post
How does one drive a train into a ship?
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Moreno ran the train off the end of tracks, and crashed through a series of barriers before coming to rest more than 250 yards from the Mercy. No one was injured in the incident, and the Mercy was not harmed or damaged in any way. The incident did result in the train leaking a substantial amount of fuel oil, which required clean up by fire and other hazardous materials personnel.
An eyewitness described that he saw
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...the train smash into a concrete barrier at the end of the track, smash into a steel barrier, smash into a chain-link fence, slide through a parking lot, slide across another lot filled with gravel, and smash into a second chain-link fence
Moereo stated that
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...he was suspicious of the Mercy and believing it had an alternate purpose related to COVID-19 or a government takeover.
He made an attempt to ignite the spilled fuel with a flare.

Basically a conspiracy nut, and an idiotic one.
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Originally Posted by Cheetah View Post
Noting to do with trains or train drivers, but in my experience, if you meet someone who believes they have discovered an over-unity machine or idea for one, or they don't believe in GW or DM or DE or Relativity etc. and you should just listen to them if you are interested in how things actually work, they are probably an engineer.
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Originally Posted by arthwollipot View Post
Still not getting it. Train tracks don't end at ships.
Details details.
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Originally Posted by BobTheCoward View Post
Engineer is a term I generally associate with those good at physics. This person seems to have poor understanding of friction.
In reality, "engineer" has a range of meanings, depending on context. In order to understand what is meant in a given context, you must make the associations appropriate to that context. Making a generic association without regard to context is a mistake.
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At the minimum this engineer should get a yellow card for deliberate derailment.
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In reality, "engineer" has a range of meanings, depending on context. In order to understand what is meant in a given context, you must make the associations appropriate to that context. Making a generic association without regard to context is a mistake.
At this point I'm less bothered they employed a crazy person than the fact one of their train engineers thought the train would travel 750 feet farther than it actually did.
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At the minimum this engineer should get a yellow card for deliberate derailment.
Begs the question that the mod on duty agrees with your perception of "deliberate", recognizes it when they see it, and has the spoons to do the needful.

Also, have you reported it?
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At this point I'm less bothered they employed a crazy person than the fact one of their train engineers thought the train would travel 750 feet farther than it actually did.
I have no opinion about that.
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I have no opinion about that.
It would be weird if you did. It is a novel thought and it would be strange if we went around forming opinions on every novel thought we heard.
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Originally Posted by theprestige View Post
Begs the question that the mod on duty agrees with your perception of "deliberate", recognizes it when they see it, and has the spoons to do the needful.

Also, have you reported it?
What's the context?
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Sorry to derail the thread (so to speak), but I really wish the US would adopt the UK and Commonwealth parlance and start referring to locomotive operators as "drivers," rather than "engineers." Of course, that will never happen.
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Sorry to derail the thread (so to speak), but I really wish the US would adopt the UK and Commonwealth parlance and start referring to locomotive operators as "drivers," rather than "engineers." Of course, that will never happen.
I agree as well. It's weird how many positions get called "engineers". I've been called a "Network Engineer" and I'll go out of my way to say, "I'm just technician, we don't really have Engineers. Mostly just architects."
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Engineer is a term I generally associate with those good at physics. This person seems to have poor understanding of friction.
Its also traditionally used for folks who operate trains. Stems from the etymology, it originally meant a maker an operator of engines in the military sense. Then expanded to other uses.
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Its also traditionally used for folks who operate trains. Stems from the etymology, it originally meant a maker an operator of engines in the military sense. Then expanded to other uses.
As people have corrected many times. Still, I would hope train pilots had a better sense of what happens when a train derails.
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In railroading the engineer is the person who drives the engine, and it has been for a very long time.
I've long said I signed up for engineering at college because I thought I'd get to drive a train.
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You’re right about going off the rails, but some posters made good points.



[ok, that’s obscure but someone will get it]
I got it, but had to switch my thinking a bit.
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At this point I'm less bothered they employed a crazy person than the fact one of their train engineers thought the train would travel 750 feet farther than it actually did.
My feeling is that he may not be literally crazy, but may have bought into some sort of conspiracy theory out there. Does anybody know whether there's an existing story about the ship?

Meaning, he's as crazy as Edgar Maddison Welch, which is to say, not crazy just misinformed and kinda stupid. "The intel on this wasn’t 100 percent."
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Originally Posted by SpitfireIX View Post
Sorry to derail the thread (so to speak), but I really wish the US would adopt the UK and Commonwealth parlance and start referring to locomotive operators as "drivers," rather than "engineers." Of course, that will never happen.
I associate "drivers" with computer peripheral devices. It doesn't really make sense for trains.
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