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Old 17th December 2019, 09:35 AM   #601
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Originally Posted by arthwollipot View Post
What an insightful contribution.
There are about 5 or 6 posters continually posting this type of "insight" over and over again for however many pages this thread has, despite getting owned over and over again by other posters. At this point, I can't figure out why anyone engages with them at all.
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Old 17th December 2019, 09:49 AM   #602
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Originally Posted by Orphia Nay View Post
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Forgot I disagreed earlier today with Our Lady of the Limelight.
Have you actually stopped to examine the outcomes of COP25?

I also think it's fascinating that Greta herself tweets about a girl on a train, and then complains that people aren't talking about the failure of COP25.

You'd think she'd be too busy talking about that to even notice the minor train controversy.

Also, did anyone really expect COP25 to play out any differently? Did anyone really expect Greta's attendance to matter one iota to the outcome?

Remember, Greta's big message, sailing into COP25, was that world leaders needed to come up with a sustainable alternative to intercontinental air travel for the masses. Is there any indication that the policymakers at COP25 even considered something like that? Maybe when Greta met with them personally?
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Old 17th December 2019, 09:50 AM   #603
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No, it's not a deliberate ploy, and it's not just me, not by a long shot. Perhaps you missed the Labour Party being crushed in the last election, but it did happen, just like Trump was elected here. We're interested in solving real problems, not giving the climate nuts power so they can implement the socialism they so crave.
People seem more interested in ignoring problems. They also seem to enjoy giving over what little power they have to charismatic authoritarians who want to keep the status quo (status quo being profit and power are the only things that matter).

Until someone can figure out how the current rich folks can profit in the short term (or at least not lose any money ever) from battling climate change, it won't happen. In the meantime they'll keep guiding us all into authoritarianism.
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Old 17th December 2019, 09:51 AM   #604
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Originally Posted by Max_mang View Post
There are about 5 or 6 posters continually posting this type of "insight" over and over again for however many pages this thread has, despite getting owned over and over again by other posters. At this point, I can't figure out why anyone engages with them at all.
Probably because it's easier than answering the tough questions about Greta's activism. Do you want to take a stab at answering my questions to Orphia Nay about COP25?
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Old 17th December 2019, 10:25 AM   #605
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COP25 was not something Miss Greta would be pleased with.

The delegates all clapped for her and looked like they heard her words.
Then took small non drastic steps and agreed on some smaller measures, leaving the hard and drastic changes for another day.

The history of COP events is like that. Greta failed to get what she demanded but the others present seen a more positive outcome.

The result will be seen when the things they agreed upon become positive changes.

As for the train ride, the more people in less wagons is the most energy efficient a train gets. Or a bus, airplane or ferry boat. Shame on her for accepting the 1st class seat?
Nah, it was going that way anyway.
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Old 17th December 2019, 10:33 AM   #606
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Originally Posted by 8enotto View Post
COP25 was not something Miss Greta would be pleased with.

The delegates all clapped for her and looked like they heard her words.
Then took small non drastic steps and agreed on some smaller measures, leaving the hard and drastic changes for another day.

The history of COP events is like that. Greta failed to get what she demanded but the others present seen a more positive outcome.

The result will be seen when the things they agreed upon become positive changes.

As for the train ride, the more people in less wagons is the most energy efficient a train gets. Or a bus, airplane or ferry boat. Shame on her for accepting the 1st class seat?
Nah, it was going that way anyway.
Shame on her for complaining about crowded trains.
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Old 17th December 2019, 10:44 AM   #607
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As for the train ride, the more people in less wagons is the most energy efficient a train gets.

Only if the riders have no alternative.
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Old 17th December 2019, 11:17 AM   #608
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Only if the riders have no alternative.
Radical choice: The riders always have an alternative. For example, they could stay home.

Just earlier Max_mang was sounding the alarm of authoritarianism. But isn't authoritarianism what is needed to combat climate change?

People who are given no option but to stay home require much less energy for travel. They also place much less burden on the logistical infrastructure, further reducing energy that would otherwise be spent on upkeep of the system.

By restricting rail travel to only what is needed, and by maintaining only enough rolling stock to ensure maximum occupancy on all trips, Germany could greatly reduce the energy consumption and greenhouse gas emissions of this sector of their economy. If they took the same steps in other sectors, overall emissions would drastically drop. If every other nation followed suit, we might yet save Greta's future.

But it's going to take a lot of authoritarianism, I think. Greta maybe doesn't realize it yet, but it's probably going to take putting some people against the wall.

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Old 17th December 2019, 11:35 AM   #609
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Try 3rd class travel in Mexico and central America. Old busses retired from main routes being run in local routes, standing room only in peak hours. Her not having the luggage on her lap made that luxury travel.

I always go first class bus if I travel. A comfortable seat, leg room and AC , always a few empty seats on a energy efficient late model bus. I haven't gone anywhere in five years but others have.

All the old coal fired units long retired by federal law has reduced emissions a lot, and they have to be scrapped, not sold to Bolivian interests.

That is progress and positive change.
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Originally Posted by theprestige View Post
Radical choice: The riders always have an alternative. For example, they could stay home.

Just earlier Max_mang was sounding the alarm of authoritarianism. But isn't authoritarianism what is needed to combat climate change?

People who are given no option but to stay home require much less energy for travel. They also place much less burden on the logistical infrastructure, further reducing energy that would otherwise be spent on upkeep of the system.

By restricting rail travel to only what is needed, and by maintaining only enough rolling stock to ensure maximum occupancy on all trips, Germany could greatly reduce the energy consumption and greenhouse gas emissions of this sector of their economy. If they took the same steps in other sectors, overall emissions would drastically drop. If every other nation followed suit, we might yet save Greta's future.

But it's going to take a lot of authoritarianism, I think. Greta maybe doesn't realize it yet, but it's probably going to take putting some people against the wall.
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Old 17th December 2019, 11:40 AM   #611
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Probably because it's easier than answering the tough questions about Greta's activism. Do you want to take a stab at answering my questions to Orphia Nay about COP25?
That’s funny. Non-stop whining about Greta’s mode of transport, her alleged “fan club” and how she is really doing nothing (this one is a real thigh slapper) are not tough questions.
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Old 17th December 2019, 12:32 PM   #612
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Shame on her for complaining about crowded trains.
Who's complaining?
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Old 17th December 2019, 12:46 PM   #613
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Not questioning your sincerity; genuinely perplexed by the joke. I thought the two parts were tied together somehow. I think I get it now...
Thanks for clarifying, and pardon me for not having considered this possibility.
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Old 17th December 2019, 12:49 PM   #614
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Originally Posted by theprestige View Post
Radical choice: The riders always have an alternative. For example, they could stay home.

Just earlier Max_mang was sounding the alarm of authoritarianism. But isn't authoritarianism what is needed to combat climate change?

People who are given no option but to stay home require much less energy for travel. They also place much less burden on the logistical infrastructure, further reducing energy that would otherwise be spent on upkeep of the system.

By restricting rail travel to only what is needed, and by maintaining only enough rolling stock to ensure maximum occupancy on all trips, Germany could greatly reduce the energy consumption and greenhouse gas emissions of this sector of their economy. If they took the same steps in other sectors, overall emissions would drastically drop. If every other nation followed suit, we might yet save Greta's future.

But it's going to take a lot of authoritarianism, I think. Greta maybe doesn't realize it yet, but it's probably going to take putting some people against the wall.
I do think this is what some folks on both sides of this issue want us to believe. Some lefties are clearly attempting to use climate change to get there way with the economy, which is authoritarian central planning. That is basically what AOC's green new deal was. Folks on the right would like us all to believe that is the only reason folks are talking about climate change. Both extremes are happy to have us all believe its either do nothing or have the government take over the economy. I don't believe it. Climate change is a real thing but central planning isn't the way to fix it.

You don't need to restrict rail travel, try a carbon tax that makes more fuel efficient travel less desirable for instance.
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Old 17th December 2019, 12:53 PM   #615
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Thanks for clarifying, and pardon me for not having considered this possibility.
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That’s funny. Non-stop whining about Greta’s mode of transport, her alleged “fan club” and how she is really doing nothing (this one is a real thigh slapper) are not tough questions.
Why was it important for someone to fly around the world to meet Greta personally and help her sail to COP25?
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Who's complaining?
"Overcrowded" is a complaint.
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Old 17th December 2019, 03:39 PM   #618
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You don't need to restrict rail travel, try a carbon tax that makes more fuel efficient travel less desirable for instance.
This has been alluded to more than once..

How do you get new pollution driven tax laws passed by a constituency that doesn't want to give up their pollution causing lifestyle?
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Old 17th December 2019, 04:01 PM   #619
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You don't need to restrict rail travel, try a carbon tax that makes more fuel efficient travel less desirable for instance.
I'm not sure exactly how to parse this, but I consider taxation-as-discouragement to be a form of restriction.

Using it to restrict rail travel would also be regressive: Wealthier people would still indulge in luxury rail travel, while poorer people would be priced out of that option.

I think if the goal is to drastically reduce emissions to avoid a global catastrophe, then rail travel needs to be restricted across the board. Not in the form of carbon indulgences for the rich, but in the form of blanket travel bans with exceptions only for critical work:

Moving necessary goods (especially sustainable staple foods) from production centers to population centers. Transporting subject matter experts and policymakers and their staffs to and from climate change conferences. Transporting deniers to retraining centers. That sort of thing. Just really cut back all unnecessary emissions.
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The climate nuts can just stop flying, driving, eating meat, get rid of their air conditioning, and on and on and on, you know, instead of flying all over the world telling everyone else they need to do it. Lead by example, I always say. Not being a climate nut myself, I won't be doing any of that, of course.
Well, to stay on topic, Greta T took the train, which is by far the least carbon intensive mode of travel, and if electric even better if the electricity is from renewables or nuclear.

There is a lot that can be done before stopping flying, driving and eating meat.

Like stop burning coal for electricity. Then work on natural gas.

Making standards of efficiency for autos and home heating.

All the furnaces I have ever bought were the most efficient ones available.

There are a lot of things that can be done without lining people up.
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Old 17th December 2019, 04:53 PM   #621
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Yes, textbook trolling.

If there's anything more precious than trolling being exposed, its the denial of the troller.

Hmmmm, trolling denial, climate change denial. There seems to be a link, at least in this thread.
Where did I deny it?

I was the one who said it

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Well, to stay on topic, Greta T took the train, which is by far the least carbon intensive mode of travel, and if electric even better if the electricity is from renewables or nuclear.

There is a lot that can be done before stopping flying, driving and eating meat.

Like stop burning coal for electricity. Then work on natural gas.

Making standards of efficiency for autos and home heating.

All the furnaces I have ever bought were the most efficient ones available.

There are a lot of things that can be done without lining people up.
If we stopped burning coal right now, that would probably solve the climate problem. It would also get a lot of people killed, both directly due to lack of energy to keep them warm in the winter or alive in the hospital, and also indirectly as all of the other economic activity that depends on available energy also wound way down, and with it the resources to provide for the millions of people who depend on global economic actiivity to put food in their bellies and shelter over their heads.

"Stop burning coal for electricity" was something that should have been said in the 1970s, followed immediately by "and convert everything to nuclear." Then work on phasing out ICE automobiles in favor of electric vehicles charged off the nuclear power grid.

Ironically, the Germans recently decided to abandon nuclear power, and now find themselves having to burn more coal to make up the shortfall.

The truth is that renewables aren't developing fast enough to actually solve the problem.
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Forgot I disagreed earlier today with Our Lady of the Limelight.
The media was never interested in COP 25 to begin with. It looks like the thrust of the event had more to do with the idea that climate change is a done deal and all that's left is to determine how much the developed nations should pay the LDCs.

I'm not surprised that Thunberg would consider it failed.
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But it's going to take a lot of authoritarianism, I think. Greta maybe doesn't realize it yet, but it's probably going to take putting some people against the wall.
Oh sure she realizes it, she's got control freak SJW written all over her. I wouldn't be surprised if she envisions a sort of Pol Pot-Chairman Mao type of world.
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Try 3rd class travel in Mexico and central America. Old busses retired from main routes being run in local routes, standing room only in peak hours. Her not having the luggage on her lap made that luxury travel.
Oh yea, I've done that San Pedro Sula to Panama city about 10 years ago. 75 "chicken buses" with three adults crammed onto a seat designed for two children in an old school bus that was deemed to unsafe for American use so it was "recycled" down to Central America.

Sitting on the floor of a German train would be paradise compared to how the poor live.

Originally Thunberg was supposed to travel by bus and train but the 1% stepped up and made her life easy for her. In theory she could have driven that Tesla down to Panama then had it shipped to Colombia but I doubt she could have pulled it off in her desired time frame.

It would have been bus bus bus bus bus.....all the way to Santiago unless she were planning on only one or two stops along the way. She went to remote locations in Canada and I'd have expected her to do the same in South and Central America.
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Ironically, the Germans recently decided to abandon nuclear power, and now find themselves having to burn more coal to make up the shortfall.
Yes but no.

If they had not shut down (so far) ten of the seventeen nuclear power plants, they might have used less coal than they currently do.

But even with the closed nukes, coal use in Germany has dropped for five years in a row - they close the gap with renewables and natural gas (which watt for watt releases less carbon than coal). Numbers are not available for 2019, but 2018 saw the least amount of coal burned since reunification.

Odd that you harp on train travel, one of the lowest carbon transportation methods available.

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Oh sure she realizes it, she's got control freak SJW written all over her. I wouldn't be surprised if she envisions a sort of Pol Pot-Chairman Mao type of world.
She's a concerned teenager with Aspergers. I'm inclined to be charitable about her attitude.
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She's a concerned teenager with Aspergers. I'm inclined to be charitable about her attitude.
Fair point.
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"Stop burning coal for electricity" was something that should have been said in the 1970s . . .
It was. They called the people calling for the end of coal environmental Nazis and unpatriotic fools.
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Aah cool

Presumably their kids are getting plastic toys as presents though.

It is kind of an impossible material to not use in some form or another.
Yes, it is, though he did also mention not getting plastic toys, but I think he meant cheap Chinese plastic toys.

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Sorry, Arth, I meant single use plastics in food packaging, takeaway food, retail items, or, as I gather now, supermarket checkouts, yes?
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After 12 months, plastic barrier bags for fruit and vegetables, oxodegradable plastic products, plastic straws (except for people who need them, such as those with disabilities) will also be banned.
We already don't have single-use plastic supermarket bags - they were banned many years ago.
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Oh sure she realizes it, she's got control freak SJW written all over her. I wouldn't be surprised if she envisions a sort of Pol Pot-Chairman Mao type of world.
And yet another new low in obsessive, mindless, offensive comment. She must really be deep inside your head for you to keep coming up with these bizarre fantasies.
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And in come the white knights, galloping in on their trusty steeds to save the fair maiden Greta. ZOMG...she just changed her Twitter bio to say "Control freak SJW"
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Originally Posted by theprestige View Post
"Overcrowded" is a complaint.
Well, you might think so, but Thunberg has since clarified to say that it wasn't.
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Originally Posted by Matthew Best View Post
Well, you might think so, but Thunberg has since clarified to say that it wasn't.
TBF it was a stupid thing to post.

Would have thought even the most Ardent Greta disciple would see this given her PR backing
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Originally Posted by cullennz View Post
TBF it was a stupid thing to post.

Would have thought even the most Ardent Greta disciple would see this given her PR backing
Do you think any Thunberg supporter spends more than a microsecond over this insignificant issue?

As a denier (earlier in this thread you rejected the extent of warming, so by definition whether you like it or not) I understand why you get hot and bothered by her. It’s quite transparent and sad.
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For all those "stay in school kids, don't waste your education and your future organising and participating in school strikes", like Australia's always wrong PM Morrison I present Varsha Yajman.

https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/pa...a3eb1946b5f5ff

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Varsha is one of thousands of Australian students who have rallied around the nation this year, as part of the global movement for climate action started by 16-year-old Swedish teen Greta Thunberg.
Prime Minister Scott Morrison was among many politicians to condemn the strikes, telling Parliament: “What we want is more learning in schools and less activism in schools.”
But Varsha has proved her critics wrong, scoring near perfect score in her Higher School Certificate. She received an Australian Tertiary Admission Rank (ATAR) of 99.15 and a top band result in five of her subjects.
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Varsha, who is a member of the national leadership team for the Australian Youth Climate Coalition and part of the School Strike for Climate team, said her interest in the future of our planet didn’t put her education in jeopardy.
Deniers and their fellow travellers wrong again.
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Originally Posted by lionking View Post
Do you think any Thunberg supporter spends more than a microsecond over this insignificant issue?

As a denier (earlier in this thread you rejected the extent of warming, so by definition whether you like it or not) I understand why you get hot and bothered by her. It’s quite transparent and sad.
Lol
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Originally Posted by cullennz View Post
Lol
Laugh away. You made a lot of posts like this:

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You are claiming current climate change is entirely caused by man and there is a consensus amongst climate scientists saying this, yet just post a report up and expect people to trawl through it .

Given we have had several ice ages, it is not unreasonable to ask you to actually post the bit saying scientists are saying the latest natural climate changes are different and this one is entirely man made
There are plenty of others. I won't embarrass you by quoting more about "its only computer modelling", "it won't happen in 12 years".

You have said you can't be bothered researching the issue.

All of this is denialism. You can look up all the elements of denialism, but you won't because it would be very uncomfortable for you.
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