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Old 26th September 2019, 02:39 AM   #81
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I'll just leave this here - words fail me: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-49835830
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Old 26th September 2019, 03:05 AM   #82
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How about this:

https://www.timesnownews.com/india/a...missing/477288

The police in UP (Chief minister is another 'priest') refused to file a First Information Report on the complaint until the courts ordered them to. The accused in meanwhile in hospital because "he felt faint". Meanwhile, the accused has admitted to having received massages while nude. The girl was also arrested after this based on allegations of attempted extortion and the court has refused bail. The idea is to harass and intimidate the girl until she withdrws her case. No opposition party has spoken out about this.
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Old 26th September 2019, 03:21 AM   #83
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Originally Posted by The Atheist View Post
I'll just leave this here - words fail me: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-49835830
While most urban/upper middle class will brush this off as an aberration mainly found among the poor and uneducated, this is not true. Casteist oppression and violence is pervasive among the the urban educated classes too.
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Old 26th September 2019, 10:41 AM   #84
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The idea is to harass and intimidate the girl until she withdrws her case.
Appears to be working fine.

At least the idea of targeting families is entirely biblical, so people like Trump can support it.
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Now look like Modi and Donnie are best friends.
I may vomit.
How long until we read about a new Trump real estate project in India?
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Yeah, India's once much valued image as a tolerant nation is now totally gone.
The sort of people who killed Gandhi are now running the country.
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Old 26th September 2019, 04:34 PM   #87
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Originally Posted by dudalb View Post
Now look like Modi and Donnie are best friends.
Birds of a feather.
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Old 26th September 2019, 06:56 PM   #88
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Originally Posted by dudalb View Post
Now look like Modi and Donnie are best friends.
I may vomit.
How long until we read about a new Trump real estate project in India?
The current joke in India since the HowdyModi circus and the news of the commencement of the impeachment enquiry is that Modi intends to join the BJP. The BJP is famous for inducting corrupt politicians and businessmen into the patty and getting the charges against them dropped.
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Another story from the cess pool called UP.
http://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=http%3...y7HBz0gksykLd0
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Another story from the cess pool called UP.
Jesus. What the hell is wrong with people?
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And as expected
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Latest in the news...The Supreme Court has postponed hearings on Kashmir citing lack of time as they have to prioritize the Ayodhya issue (whether a mosque built by Emperor Babar in the 16th century was the actual site of the birth of a mythological figure).
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Yeah, I can see the court having no pressure on it at all to delay Kashmir.

Modi's just going to take the Putin route of completely ignoring any criticism and bluster his way through.

It will probably work exactly as Crimea has.
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I am wondering if this thread would be a good place to provide updates on the complex linguistic, cultural, religious and communal cauldron that is India. Warning though...it will have a pretty leftist bias...which by American standards would be pretty far left.
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Old 30th September 2019, 11:11 AM   #95
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I am wondering if this thread would be a good place to provide updates on the complex linguistic, cultural, religious and communal cauldron that is India. Warning though...it will have a pretty leftist bias...which by American standards would be pretty far left.
Doesn't sound like any sort of a problem to me, and I'd be glad for your views - you're close to the action and giving pretty good info.

Don't forget the financial corruption, with another banking disaster happening, and one that will impact the lower levels of society rather than the higher.

https://economictimes.indiatimes.com...w/71373106.cms

If true - which it certainly appears - a co-operative bank having 90% of its assets tied up with one organisation should have those responsible tarred and feathered. That's a bloody disgrace.
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Yesterday, India celebrated Gandhi’s birth anniversary. A national holiday, statue garlanding by local politicians, school indoctrination sessions, and most ironically speeches on Gandhi’s greatness by members of the ruling party that identifies itself with the organisation that arranged for his murder. For many on the “left”, we have for the past few years been forced to defend Gandhi against the rightwing hindu groups who see Gandhi’s rather pitiful appeasement (towards the upper castes) filled attempts at egalitarianism as a threat to their divinely ordained birth-right entitlements.
The liberals comprising mostly the “woke” upper castes see Gandhi's soft liberalism as a counter to the hard-line hindutva brigade because they are uncomfortable with the radicalism of Ambedkar. Gandhi allowed them to display a sense of self righteous indignation without endangering their own privileged positions. Gandhi’s own prejudices are quite well known. He had quite strong racist opinions in Africa which to his credit he did drop during his later years, but he continued to believe that caste was an important cultural artefact and if “used” properly, it would contribute to the greatness of the nation.
Where Gandhi insisted that casteism should be reformed and preserved, Dr. Ambedkar wanted the destruction of Brahminism and quite rightly saw that as long as Hinduism existed, casteism would continue. This makes the entitled liberals in India uncomfortable as Hinduism’s existence is firmly rooted in the socio-economics of casteism.
This has also resulted in any real attempts at emancipation becoming diluted to appease upper caste interests.
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Old 3rd October 2019, 10:08 AM   #97
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And following on to that, Gandhi's ashes were stolen yesterday and the word "Traitor" painted on photos at his memorial.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-49922319

Given the Orwellian re-writing of Indian history, I'd give it no more than a decade until he's expunged completely.
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After the head of the RSS, the ideological headquarters of the ruling party declares lynching as being a "western" concept drawn from the Bible Lynching is alien concept to defame India
...the Union Home Minister goes one step further, saying that wester concepts of human rights cannot be applied to India:
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Please tell me this James Bond villain level act is from a satire or fake news site.
https://www.khaleejtimes.com/interna...emanding-wages
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You may be interested to know that Pakistan is a whole different country to India.
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You may be interested to know that Pakistan is a whole different country to India.
True enough...however, the populace do tend to try and out do the other in sheer dickishness. One must remember that until the mid 20th century all the countries in South Asia shared a more or less common feudal legacy.
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Ilhan Omar rips into journalist of the Times of India during congressional hearing on the Kashmir Situation. The journalist was trying to play the FOX role for the Indian government. Considering that the "newspaper" she works for preferred to carry a front page pic of the Duchess of Cambridge's skirt being blown up by the wind during her visit to India, she and her paper deserve whatever derision anyone can spare.
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And in a surprise to absolutely nobody, India's court system has exonerated a load of BJP members for their attacks on a mosque in 1993.

Corruption reigns supreme in Modi-land.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/...emolition-case
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And in a surprise to absolutely nobody, India's court system has exonerated a load of BJP members for their attacks on a mosque in 1993.

Corruption reigns supreme in Modi-land.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/...emolition-case
It's frightening the grip he seems to have over the entire Indian state. He's the same as Erdoğan.
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Erdogan, Bolsonaro, Putin...

I don't quite understand the attraction of autocrats, but it sure helps to be their friend.
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India has periodic bouts of communal violence, such as the riots in Gujarat that left over 1000 people dead. Violence between castes also exists (10 deaths in 2018), albeit with a lower death toll. This sort of bigotry by politicians feeds into that, making such violence much more likely.

The U.S. has nothing on that scale. The worst of the riots in Furgeson were far less deadly than some of the riots in India that never even made the news over here.

The level of bigotry-related violence in India dwarfs that which the U.S. currently experiences. And their current political leadership encourages it.


The Indian Dalits attacked for wearing the wrong shoes



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I'm often shocked by news coming out of India with their very normalized vigilante violence, probably compounded by police corruption.

It's like the United States in the 1920s.
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There are a lot pf parallels between the right wing dominance in governments across the globe.
They all have a favorite mackerel, called "Truth", they want to slap you with. This is all part of the age-old war between the rational and irrational. Absolute truths, on human faces, wear a death mask.
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Latest from the cesspool that is UP. Currently being touted as the "best" state in India with the "best" Chief Minister (a temple priest, guess which party he belongs to.)
what-the-name-of-the-woman-raped-and-battered-in-hathras-says-about-the-crime

The police initially refused to file a First Information Report and only moved to arrest the perpetrators after public outrage. The moment the girl died after suffering in the hospital he body was siezed by the police and quickly burned. The members of the family were locked up in their houses and protestors beaten or arrested.
Hathras gang rape: India victim cremated 'without family's consent'
And no, it was not a cremation (that is not how a funeral pyer is laid out)...it was an incineration of the evidence.
There have been two other similar cases in the same state since then. In one, the perpetrators were muslims. However, the main difference is that the Muslim community did not take out processions in support of the rapists.
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The police initially refused to file a First Information Report and only moved to arrest the perpetrators after public outrage. The moment the girl died after suffering in the hospital he body was siezed by the police and quickly burned. The members of the family were locked up in their houses and protestors beaten or arrested.
I was just reading that story at BBC.

What a sick cult you have running the place there at the moment, and I can't see any means of changing it, so it's going to get a lot worse before it gets better.
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At the risk of turning this into yet another USA politics thread, this is what those of us on the left fear could happen to the US if it continues the course it's been on for the last few years.
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Yeah, India's once much valued image as a tolerant nation is now totally gone.
The sort of people who killed Gandhi are now running the country.
India's image as a tolerant nation was flushed down the toilet when they adopted the caste system.
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India's image as a tolerant nation was flushed down the toilet when they adopted the caste system.
I am sorry...they did not adopt the caste system. It is an inherent aspect of hinduism. Reform movements of the 19th and 20th centuries resulting from a more universal access to education primarily because of missionary activities and colonialism did somehow attach shame to the practice, so it was suppressed. Casteism has always been an inherent part of Indian socio-economy. The situation now is that it is being validated and normalized by the current government.
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I am sorry...they did not adopt the caste system. It is an inherent aspect of hinduism. Reform movements of the 19th and 20th centuries resulting from a more universal access to education primarily because of missionary activities and colonialism did somehow attach shame to the practice, so it was suppressed. Casteism has always been an inherent part of Indian socio-economy. The situation now is that it is being validated and normalized by the current government.
I think captainhowdy is referring to a belief that the British solidified caste as a handy way of controlling the Indian population. Unsound, of course.
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Yogi Govt Enlists PR Firm to Push ‘Hathras Girl Was Not Raped’ Story Line With Foreign Media
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India's image as a tolerant nation was flushed down the toilet when they adopted the caste system.
Oh good grief.
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That's a very ugly place the country's being taken to. And probably no way to counter it.
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Originally Posted by Susheel View Post
I am sorry...they did not adopt the caste system. It is an inherent aspect of hinduism. Reform movements of the 19th and 20th centuries resulting from a more universal access to education primarily because of missionary activities and colonialism did somehow attach shame to the practice, so it was suppressed. Casteism has always been an inherent part of Indian socio-economy. The situation now is that it is being validated and normalized by the current government.
Perhaps adopt isn't the right word. You're right that it is an inherent part of Hinduism. It's origins are murky but it is very old. It's importance varies from place to place and over time but it's always been there and will be very difficult to erase entirely. My point is that India has never been an equitable tolerant society and it never will be. It can't. The caste system makes that impossible.
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