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24th September 2020, 05:30 AM  #561 
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You have missed my correction in http://www.internationalskeptics.com...&postcount=559 and replied to an irrelevant post.

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That is also over the matrix, is aware of the matrix. That is under the matrix, is unaware of the matrix. For more details, please carefully observe Prof. Edward Frenkel's video from https://youtu.be/PFkZGpN4wmM?t=697 until the end of the video. 

24th September 2020, 05:56 AM  #562 
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24th September 2020, 06:05 AM  #563 
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http://www.internationalskeptics.com...&postcount=559 is a new post, where you replied to the older one.

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That is also over the matrix, is aware of the matrix. That is under the matrix, is unaware of the matrix. For more details, please carefully observe Prof. Edward Frenkel's video from https://youtu.be/PFkZGpN4wmM?t=697 until the end of the video. 

24th September 2020, 06:15 AM  #564 
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No, it was not a new post. It was an substantial edit to an existing post.
And I replied to the version of the post in place at the time I hit the Quote button. It is rude for you to dismiss my post in its entirety, too. If it comments on mistakes of yours that have been corrected, point out in response to my post how your mistakes were corrected. If it comments on things you thought were correct in the first place, comment on that. I await the mitigation to your rudeness. 
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24th September 2020, 06:30 AM  #565 
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jsfisher your post was created almost two hours after my new post was created.
So next time please refresh your screen before you reply. Please reply to http://www.internationalskeptics.com...&postcount=559. 
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That is also over the matrix, is aware of the matrix. That is under the matrix, is unaware of the matrix. For more details, please carefully observe Prof. Edward Frenkel's video from https://youtu.be/PFkZGpN4wmM?t=697 until the end of the video. 

24th September 2020, 06:44 AM  #566 
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Originally Posted by jsfisher

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That is also over the matrix, is aware of the matrix. That is under the matrix, is unaware of the matrix. For more details, please carefully observe Prof. Edward Frenkel's video from https://youtu.be/PFkZGpN4wmM?t=697 until the end of the video. 

24th September 2020, 07:33 AM  #567 
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The relevant details are as follows:
jsfisher, in order to establish the minimal set satisfying the requirements of the Axiom of Infinity, one first has to show that all the natural numbers (which are defined by von Neumann's treatment of the natural numbers in terms of sets) are actually establish a set that satisfying the requirements of the Axiom of Infinity. So at the first stage the following definitions are restricted only to all the members of this minimal set, such that the initial member is the empty set (v=∅) and the rest of the members are defined as v⋃{v}, which are all finite sets: Definition 1: v = v iff there is bijection from v to v. Definition 2: v < v⋃{v} iff (there is an injective nonsurjective function from v to v⋃{v}) OR (injective function from v to v⋃{v} that is based on empty function) (in case that v=Ø) Definitions 1 and 2 look trivial at first glance, but these are the functions among the finite sets, which define all the natural numbers by von Neumann's treatment. Since ∀v ∈ V(v∪{v} ∈ V ∧ v∪{v} can't be but < V) V is not established, simply because it can't be defined as the cardinality of all V members, which are all the finite sets by von Neumann's treatment of all the natural numbers. 
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That is also over the matrix, is aware of the matrix. That is under the matrix, is unaware of the matrix. For more details, please carefully observe Prof. Edward Frenkel's video from https://youtu.be/PFkZGpN4wmM?t=697 until the end of the video. 

24th September 2020, 08:11 AM  #568 
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24th September 2020, 09:08 PM  #569 
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I'm starting this message at 9:13pm local time according to my tablet. I am purposely waiting and stalling a few minutes to have the forum clock to change.
Edit: the system clock is 78 minutes behind. This would confirm that the time on the post is not when you start writing it, but when you submit/save/post it. Edit 2: trying to see what the edit time is based off. Waiting about 30mins. Looks like it's based off the save button. 
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25th September 2020, 06:52 PM  #570 
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And what the deal about waiting almost two hours before posting the final "edit"?

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25th September 2020, 07:16 PM  #571 
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From my point of view, I don't care. I responded to an actual post. It matters not that I was interrupted by something more important in real life that delayed my complete response. I responded to an actual post.
For Doronshadmi to then claim I hadn't responded to a post he had edited to become something else and therefore I had to start all over is unacceptable rudeness, especially since my observations about the post I responded to were still valid after all of Doronshadmi's editing. If Doronshadmi chooses to dismiss my post out of hand, so be it, we are done. The only other option is to address it as is and respond to the comments directly or how he has (yet again) changed is argument in a way that my remarks aren't about what he currently believes. 
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Yesterday, 08:38 AM  #572 
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Let's see.
1) He ignores the minimal set that satisfies the requirements of the Axiom of Infinity. 2) This minimal set is exactly the von Neumann's treatment of the natural numbers in terms of sets (let's call this set V (which, of course, can be replaced by any other chosen name)). 3) All the members of set V are finite sets. 4) There are four functions, divided into two types, among V members, as follows: a) 2 functions from a given member to itself: a.1) Empty function from Ø to itself. a.2) Bijective function from v (where v≠Ø) to itself. a.3) Bijective function from v⋃{v} to itself. b) 2 functions from a given member to a different member: b.1) Injective nonsurjective function from v to v⋃{v} (in case that v≠Ø). b.2) Injective function from v to v⋃{v} (in case that v=Ø, where all v⋃{v} in V are finite sets, according to von Neumann's treatment of the natural numbers in terms of sets).
Originally Posted by jsfisher
∀v ∈ V(v∪{v} ∈ V) ∧ (v∪{v} < V). No wonder that jsfisher ignores "weak limit cardinal" as seen in http://www.internationalskeptics.com...&postcount=451.
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