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Old 23rd September 2020, 10:53 AM   #2041
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Originally Posted by Safe-Keeper View Post
The worst thing is, scandals like these are forgotten in five minutes because Trump&Co has discovered that simply flooding the public consciousness with terrible behaviour and statements is an excellent way to get away with most of the things you do, because it means most of them are forgotten about overnight.
A variant of the Firehose of Falsehoods technique.
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Old 23rd September 2020, 12:04 PM   #2042
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Originally Posted by Kestrel View Post
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The worst thing is, scandals like these are forgotten in five minutes because Trump&Co has discovered that simply flooding the public consciousness with terrible behaviour and statements is an excellent way to get away with most of the things you do, because it means most of them are forgotten about overnight.
A variant of the Firehose of Falsehoods technique.
I was thinking more of a Gish Gallop.
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Old 23rd September 2020, 05:14 PM   #2043
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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop View Post
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Big news. Numerous great companies are seeing fantastic results. @FDA must move quickly!
Must move quickly? Does he think he'll miss out on the fire sale?
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Old 23rd September 2020, 05:23 PM   #2044
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Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger View Post
Must move quickly? Does he think he'll miss out on the fire sale?
In time for the election. This is actually pretty scary, if he plans to force the FDA to approve a vaccine too soon.
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Old 23rd September 2020, 07:28 PM   #2045
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In time for the election. This is actually pretty scary, if he plans to force the FDA to approve a vaccine too soon.
Lots of irons in that fire.
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Old 24th September 2020, 09:00 AM   #2046
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Money from the CARES Act, intended to be spent fighting covid, has been funnelled off into unrelated defence spending
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Old 24th September 2020, 09:02 AM   #2047
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Old 24th September 2020, 11:54 AM   #2048
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Doctor Trump gets to decide the FDA vaccine safety standards.
Or so he claims.

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President Donald Trump claimed Wednesday that the White House could override the US Food and Drug Administration if the agency released tougher standards for the authorization of a Covid-19 vaccine, casting such a move as "political."

His comments come as the FDA considers new Covid-19 vaccine guidelines that would likely push an authorization beyond Election Day, according to three sources familiar with the situation. That timeline would dash Trump's hopes of a pre-election authorization, having repeatedly said the vaccine could be ready by November 3.

"We're looking at that and that has to be approved by the White House. We may or may not approve it," the President said of the new FDA guidelines at a White House news conference. "That sounds like a political move."

"I'm not politicizing the pandemic!! You're politicizing the pandemic!!"
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Old 25th September 2020, 12:41 AM   #2049
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Originally Posted by Armitage72 View Post
Doctor Trump gets to decide the FDA vaccine safety standards.
Or so he claims.




"I'm not politicizing the pandemic!! You're politicizing the pandemic!!"
Well, I know that's certainly going to boost my confidence in getting that vaccination!
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Old 25th September 2020, 12:34 PM   #2050
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Originally Posted by Squeegee Beckenheim View Post
Almost no one here has access to WA Po beyond the paywall. How about at least a paragraph? Thanks.

TheHill: Pentagon redirected pandemic funds to defense contractors
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The Pentagon redirected most of its $1 billion in pandemic funding to defense contractors who exchanged the money for jet engine parts, body armor, dress uniforms and other military needs, The Washington Post reported on Tuesday.

The CARES Act passed by Congress in March granted the Department of Defense $1 billion to both prevent and get ready to respond to the coronavirus, but the Post reported that in the weeks that followed, hundreds of millions of the taxpayer money was instead utilized to obtain military supplies.

This was a change from the intent of Congress, the Post noted....
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Congress instructed the $1 billion in the CARES Act to go to Defense Production Act (DPA) efforts, which permits President Trump to direct U.S. companies to manufacture necessary products, such as personal protective equipment (PPE).

Months after the funding was allocated, department lawyers concluded the money could be used for defense production, including projects that had little to do with responding to the pandemic, the Post reported. Smaller firms received more than a third of the funding for less than $5 million, but hundreds of millions of dollars went to several large companies.

At least 10 of the about 30 contractors awarded with DPA funding also received money from the Paycheck Protection Program (PPP), the Post found.
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Under the Act, it is clear that funding for Defense Industrial Base (DIB) uses would be appropriate as long as they addressed COVID-related impacts in the industrial base, even in that portion of the industrial base not producing medical supplies. In other parts of the Act, it authorized DOD and HHS to spend monies to expand medical resource production – which we did. It also allowed the spending of money to procure needed materials for the response – which we also did (often on behalf of HHS).

The Department of Defense has also been using the $1 billion appropriated by the CARES Act “to prepare for, prevent and respond to the coronavirus”. The funds in this case have been used to support vital national security industries that were devastated by COVID. ...

To be clear, the Department has been wholly transparent on this effort. Since April, contracts or disbursements have been announced publicly by the Department, and the appropriate Congressional committees have been given notice before any announcement has been made. Weekly calls were arranged to discuss the COVID response with the committees (HASC, SASC, HAC-D and SAC-D) to answer any and all questions. During these calls, before which we proactively asked each committee to submit questions to be answered by Industrial Policy leaders every single week, policy senior leaders provided notice on various DPA awards prior to public release and answered questions from the participating committees.
The DoD rebuttal is in direct contradiction to the WA Po article. No surprise there, looks like the DoD took advantage of the wording to benefit military contractors.
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Old 25th September 2020, 02:57 PM   #2051
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Trump Tweets

Governor Andrew Cuomo of New York wants to put New York at the END of the Vaccine List in that he doesn’t trust the @FDA or Federal Government, even though the Vaccines are being developed by the finest Labs in the World. Wish he trusted us on Nursing Homes!
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Old 25th September 2020, 05:49 PM   #2052
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Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger View Post
Almost no one here has access to WA Po beyond the paywall. How about at least a paragraph? Thanks.
.....

One work-around is to search for the headline. The Post sells some of its material, and it sometimes appears elsewhere under the same headline.

Like here:
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WASHINGTON – A $1 billion fund Congress gave the Pentagon in March to build up the country’s supplies of medical equipment has instead been mostly funneled to defense contractors and used to make things such as jet engine parts, body armor and dress uniforms.

The change illustrates how one taxpayer-backed effort to battle the novel coronavirus, which has killed more than 200,000 Americans, was instead diverted toward patching up long-standing perceived gaps in military supplies.
https://www.seattletimes.com/nation-...nd-body-armor/
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Old 25th September 2020, 06:32 PM   #2053
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Originally Posted by Bob001 View Post
One work-around is to search for the headline. The Post sells some of its material, and it sometimes appears elsewhere under the same headline.

Like here:

https://www.seattletimes.com/nation-...nd-body-armor/


How do you think I found the links I posted in that SAME POST you quoted?

I'm not stupid. I do find it annoying I have to open the link only to find it's paywalled. It would be nice if even "WA Po" was noted in the post if a paragraph is too much trouble.
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Old 25th September 2020, 06:38 PM   #2054
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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop View Post
Trump Tweets

Governor Andrew Cuomo of New York wants to put New York at the END of the Vaccine List in that he doesn’t trust the @FDA or Federal Government, even though the Vaccines are being developed by the finest Labs in the World. Wish he trusted us on Nursing Homes!
More threats that if you don't praise our great leader he'll deny vaccine to your citizens.
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Old 25th September 2020, 06:41 PM   #2055
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I love this bit:-

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DOD officials contend that they have sought to strike a balance between boosting American medical production and supporting the defense industry, whose health they consider critical to national security.
Corporations are people, my friend. And this virus is hurting them too. Some could even die if we don't provide life support!
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Old 26th September 2020, 04:14 PM   #2056
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This is the highest single day total of new US Covid cases in more than a month
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Old 26th September 2020, 04:27 PM   #2057
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This is the highest single day total of new US Covid cases in more than a month
The second wave is coming .
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Old 26th September 2020, 04:39 PM   #2058
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I didn't want to "call it", but I saw the slight upturn after this recent plateau and how similar it looked to the slight upturn at the end of the prior plateau a few days ago (which became the 2nd peak).

So now we're going to put a 3rd peak on top of the 2nd plateau. I would attribute this mostly to the schools issue, but only based on pure gut.
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Old 26th September 2020, 05:36 PM   #2059
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The second wave is coming .
This is not a second wave. It's still the first wave.

Using the 1918 flu as an example, there was a brief wave in 1917. Then the 1918 wave was the most serious and in 1920 a third wave followed.

These waves coincided with typical winter flu seasons. That is why they went away and came back. COVID 19 has not shown any seasonality at all so far. This is still the first wave.

One might consider the resurgence in Oz and New Zealand and Spain, those could be called second waves because the numbers in those countries came down close to zero before going back up.
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Old 26th September 2020, 06:36 PM   #2060
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I was looking around for various Covid statistics. While doing so I found that many people in the medical community do indeed anticipate a surge in cases this Fall, just as public health officials have been warning for months. Partly as a result of schools reopening and partly because cooler weather causes people to spend more time indoors.

I also read about the Spanish Influenza. Much more deadly but societies took notably fewer precautions. From the CDC:
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There were 3 different waves of illness during the pandemic, starting in March 1918 and subsiding by summer of 1919. The pandemic peaked in the U.S. during the second wave, in the fall of 1918. This highly fatal second wave was responsible for most of the U.S. deaths attributed to the pandemic. CDC link
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DeSantis has got to be one of the biggest idiots ever. To open restaurants and bars fully without restrictions is obviously a nod to Trump's re-election bid. They're going to have to remove him surgically from Trump's rectum. Hopefully without sedation.
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The second wave is coming .
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DeSantis has got to be one of the biggest idiots ever. To open restaurants and bars fully without restrictions is obviously a nod to Trump's re-election bid. They're going to have to remove him surgically from Trump's rectum. Hopefully without sedation.
The screeching stupidity is at two levels: the health of Florida’s citizens and politics. We can safely dismiss DeSantis caring about his citizens based on his prior actions and statements. But the political implications of opening up Florida now, 5 weeks before Election Day, is incredibly short sighted and badly timed. Maybe for the next few weeks the idiots will enjoy their new “freedoms” or convince themselves that this must mean the Republications won the war against Covid-19. But then the infection rate will ignite ever faster and faster, such that a full on “third” wave will be undeniably blazing across the state just as most people are choosing their candidates.

Covid-19 is probably Trump’s most vulnerable issue and most important to the seniors who are a large part of Florida’s electorate. I hope it burns Trump’s butt big time!
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Try as I might, I have not been able to find a link to a recent New Yorker story that reported Florida governor Ron DeSantis has begun to back away from donald trump. It was a former aide, I believe, who said that DeSantis was very calculating and had come to the conclusion trump is doomed. That DeSantis rarely calls or speaks to trump. trump is said to be aware of this and is furious at DeSantis.
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Just great...

I just developed at nice linear model, the 40K/1K model, and then this happened.

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Less Than 10% of U.S. Population Had COVID-19 Antibodies by Molly Walker

Just 9.3% of U.S. adults were seropositive for COVID-19 as of July (95% CI 8.8%-9.9%),
based on a nationwide sample of dialysis patients extrapolated to the U.S. population,
researchers found.

But the figure was substantially higher in the northeastern U.S., the nation's hardest hit region,
where an estimated 27.2% of the national dialysis population was seropositive (95% CI 25.9%-28.5%),
reported Shuchi Anand, MD, of Stanford University in Palo Alto, California, and colleagues in The Lancet.
In western states, estimated seroprevalence was 3.5%.

I was using official data. So how do I refactor this model?

October 1: 7.3 Million, 210 Thousand
November 1: 8.5 Million, 240 Thousand
December 1: 9.7 Million, 270 Thousand
January 1: 11.0 Million, 300 Thousand


Also, I got a list of Covid-19 Symptoms but I missing one or two.
Which ones did I miss?


P. S. A Doctor Went to His Own Employer for a COVID-19 Antibody Test.
Big mistake.
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In time for the election. This is actually pretty scary, if he plans to force the FDA to approve a vaccine too soon.
Trumps logic is (surprise) faulty here. His base doesn't care about the vaccine since they are the least likely to want to get it. The rest of the country doesn't trust Trump to say the vaccine is safe and effective. When 78 percent of respondents say they think the process is moving to fast, proving them right won't be much of an October surprise.

https://www.pewresearch.org/science/...id-19-vaccine/
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Trumps logic is (surprise) faulty here. .

https://www.pewresearch.org/science/...id-19-vaccine/
Agree. From the Pew Report linked:
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While Republicans and Democrats have differed over many aspects of the coronavirus outbreak – including the threat it presents to public health and how quickly to lift restrictions on public activity – majorities of both groups say their greater concern about the vaccine approval process is that it will move too fast, rather than too slowly. About seven-in-ten Republicans (69%) are more concerned about the approval process moving too fast, and an even larger majority of Democrats (86%) share this view. Link
That's a vote of no confidence in trump since he is publicly identified as a major reason the process is being pushed. I think everyone knows his reason is to get it released before Election Day. That doesn't inspire confidence. I think in the years ahead, history's judgment will be, trump made the contagion infinitely worse, that hundreds of thousands of people got sick, and tens of thousands of people died, directly because of his horrible lack of leadership. One of those people was Herman Cain. History won't forget.
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45d chess.
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About seven-in-ten Republicans (69%) are more concerned about the approval process moving too fast, and an even larger majority of Democrats (86%) share this view. Link
This is significant. Aren't Trumpers usually in lockstep with the Führer? I know his approval rating does not seem to be falling, but this is unexpected.
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The Trump administration took $300 million from the CDC mid-pandemic so they could make ads with Dennis Quaid saying Trump did a good job. Unreal.

https://politico.com/news/2020/09/25...navirus-421957
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I wonder, since it usually takes about two weeks for Covid-19 to take effect, are we going to see a massive "opening up" for no reason about a week before the election? Well, for one particular reason, of course. Attributed to The PDJT, people then get out and celebrate like crazy, and vote for the guy responsible. It won't matter if there's a vaccine or even a good treatment or not. The regained "freedom" will be all that matters. The massive infection doesn't show up until a week later, but by that time he's back in and doesn't care.
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I wonder, since it usually takes about two weeks for Covid-19 to take effect, are we going to see a massive "opening up" for no reason about a week before the election? Well, for one particular reason, of course. Attributed to The PDJT, people then get out and celebrate like crazy, and vote for the guy responsible. It won't matter if there's a vaccine or even a good treatment or not. The regained "freedom" will be all that matters. The massive infection doesn't show up until a week later, but by that time he's back in and doesn't care.
I wouldn't put it past him.
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Originally Posted by alfaniner View Post
I wonder, since it usually takes about two weeks for Covid-19 to take effect, are we going to see a massive "opening up" for no reason about a week before the election? Well, for one particular reason, of course. Attributed to The PDJT, people then get out and celebrate like crazy, and vote for the guy responsible. It won't matter if there's a vaccine or even a good treatment or not. The regained "freedom" will be all that matters. The massive infection doesn't show up until a week later, but by that time he's back in and doesn't care.
If that's the plan, DeSantis did it too early in Florida. The reopening of bars and restaurants at full capacity is going to spike cases two weeks before the election.
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If that's the plan, DeSantis did it too early in Florida. The reopening of bars and restaurants at full capacity is going to spike cases two weeks before the election.
^This. Stupid ass.

Wasn’t he also preparing a bill to prevent colleges from prohibiting parties because “That’s what college students do?”
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The Trump administration took $300 million from the CDC mid-pandemic so they could make ads with Dennis Quaid saying Trump did a good job. Unreal.

https://politico.com/news/2020/09/25...navirus-421957
The CDC would have just used that money to do more testing.
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DeSantis has got to be one of the biggest idiots ever. To open restaurants and bars fully without restrictions is obviously a nod to Trump's re-election bid. They're going to have to remove him surgically from Trump's rectum. Hopefully without sedation.
If it's an election ploy it seems a bit foolish... The election is more than a month away. You may get a bump in the economy, but that is more than enough time for Covid19 cases to spike, making trump look bad

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Originally Posted by Segnosaur View Post
If it's an election ploy it seems a bit foolish... The election is more than a month away. You may get a bump in the economy, but that is more than enough time for Covid19 cases to spike, making trump look bad

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Not at all. It's aimed directly at Trump supporters and it's a show of loyalty for Trump.

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President Donald Trump found a new applause line at his Florida rally this week: “Normal life. O! I love normal life. We want to get back to normal life.” The next day, Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis moved to deliver on that promise — or the appearance of it.

The Republican governor of the president’s must-win battleground responded 24 hours later by canceling all state coronavirus restrictions Friday without warning, catching local governments and epidemiologists off-guard amid their own strategies to keep the coronavirus contained.

“The state of Florida is probably the most open big state in the country,” DeSantis bragged Friday, as he announced the reopening and said he was using his executive power to cancel all fines levied against people who didn’t wear masks. “We’re not closing anything going forward.”
As for a spike in cases before the election:

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On the day DeSantis made his announcement, the state reported 2,847 new confirmed coronavirus cases and 120 related deaths. Total cases since March 1: 695,887. Total deaths: 14,038.

Even if cases rise, it’s “highly probable” that cases won’t spike in a meaningful way before Election Day, said Jason Salemi, an epidemiologist with the University of South Florida, “especially if it starts with the less-vulnerable and then extends to the more-vulnerable from the less-vulnerable.”
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/0...navirus-421987
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