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Old 10th January 2020, 05:21 PM   #321
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The US Government Agency I work for is sending some of it's Hotshot Wildfire teams to Australia to help out.
A couple of the fire guys in my office take off from SF International today. The Fire section here has really been following this very closely;we have had a wildfire fighter exchange program going on with the Aussies for some time.
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Originally Posted by dudalb View Post
The US Government Agency I work for is sending some of it's Hotshot Wildfire teams to Australia to help out.
A couple of the fire guys in my office take off from SF International today. The Fire section here has really been following this very closely;we have had a wildfire fighter exchange program going on with the Aussies for some time.
We appreciate your help.
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Now we wait and see if the semi circle of fire around Canberra strikes out towards it.
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This is not going to be a popular post, but I’m starting to get really annoyed at so many people effected by the fires (I’m not talking about those who have lost properties) demanding government support in the media. People who have become unemployed as a consequence get unemployment benefit. Not good enough according to the unions. They should get the average wage instead, which would be a massive slap in the face to all those struggling on Newstart.

Businesses which have missed out on holiday income demanding the government make good their losses. There is insurance they could have taken out to cover this, but nobody bothers as they can’t imagine a bad holiday season.

I saw someone in an isolated town complain that government agencies haven’t visited his town, pointing out that he couldn’t get to see them because of road closures!!!

Others who can’t work because the business closed due to the fires asking for compensation. Businesses (including my last employer) close down all the time without the government throwing lifelines.

I have donated to the fire funds, but with some discomfort as i don’t know where this money is going.

Okay, I’ve dug a hole, so will keep digging. I personally know many people who benefitted handsomely after Black Saturday. People who lost homes (a horrible experience without doubt) got six figure charity payments, on top of insurance payments (not everyone had their homes insured), Centrelink and other government payments and law suit settlements for the many who joined class actions. Many people who stayed rebuilt bigger and better. Others moved to better suburbs.

If you can’t afford home insurance, you can’t really afford a house. If you can’t insure your business, you are a poor businessperson.

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The smoke plume will circle the globe.

Bushfire smoke plume expected to lap the globe, NASA says
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-01-1...-says/11863298

Perth should see a haze in a couple of days.
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The disruption caused by these fires is going to be beyond what insurance can cover. The knock on effects of road closures, businesses and homes burning down, distortion to the economies and people moving out permanently will be huge on a lot of small communities that weren't that resilient to start with.

The most unfair part of this is the other species that are affected. They had no part in creating this disaster but will by far suffer the most from it.
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Originally Posted by a_unique_person View Post
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The disruption caused by these fires is going to be beyond what insurance can cover. The knock on effects of road closures, businesses and homes burning down, distortion to the economies and people moving out permanently will be huge on a lot of small communities that weren't that resilient to start with.

The most unfair part of this is the other species that are affected. They had no part in creating this disaster but will by far suffer the most from it.
Oh yes, I understand this. I still think that some people will use every opportunity to capitalise.

Nothing anyone can do about this, but annoying none the less.
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This is not going to be a popular post,...
The truth quite often isn't.

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If you can’t afford home insurance, you can’t really afford a house. If you can’t insure your business, you are a poor businessperson.
I utterly agree with this position.

Sadly, the mix of technology and "givememoneyforfree" sites encourage the behaviour.

Almost daily, I see requests for money from people who have had a father or mother die without life insurance, lose their uninsured home in a fire, or generally have something insurable affect them when they were uninsured.

If you have no insurance I am certainly not going to give a damn.
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Who should get Government help?
- Fire fighters. They are away from work more than in other seasons
- RFS. They need more and better equipment.
- people who have lost their homes. But only enough so they can get a change of clothes and other immediate needs until insurance pays out.
- Utilities. They will need to rebuild a load of roads and other services.

Who else?

I suggest that if everyone had insurance for everything then insurance companies would be making massive losses.

Edit. Forgot. People who look after wild animals impacted by the fires. Now THEY need money from everyone.
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I am cautiously optimistic about the heavy rain currently being forecast for the end of the week actually occurring.
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Originally Posted by arthwollipot View Post
I am cautiously optimistic about the heavy rain currently being forecast for the end of the week actually occurring.
I’ll be not praying for it and hoping you are right. A real drenching would be wonderful.
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I’ll be not praying for it and hoping you are right. A real drenching would be wonderful.
Well... it'll be double-edged. It will damp everything down which will be nice, but it will also create a lot of polluted runoff in the waterways. I wouldn't be surprised if we were drinking brown water for weeks.
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Well... it'll be double-edged. It will damp everything down which will be nice, but it will also create a lot of polluted runoff in the waterways. I wouldn't be surprised if we were drinking brown water for weeks.
I was thinking that when I read your post. I still think it would be best to limit the fires and deal with the water issues as they arise.
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I was thinking that when I read your post. I still think it would be best to limit the fires and deal with the water issues as they arise.
Unfortunately, heavy rains after a fire event can raise really significant issues.

Particularly flooding and mudslides, because there is reduced vegetation to slow the passage of water.

The pollution of waterways is also a big deal, as arthwollipot has already mentioned.

So, to back up what is already being said: Fires out good, everything else, not so much.
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Unfortunately, heavy rains after a fire event can raise really significant issues.

Particularly flooding and mudslides, because there is reduced vegetation to slow the passage of water.

The pollution of waterways is also a big deal, as arthwollipot has already mentioned.

So, to back up what is already being said: Fires out good, everything else, not so much.
Though given what it is typically like, it's unlikely that we'll get enough rain for flooding and mudslides.
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Originally Posted by novaphile View Post
Unfortunately, heavy rains after a fire event can raise really significant issues.

Particularly flooding and mudslides, because there is reduced vegetation to slow the passage of water.

The pollution of waterways is also a big deal, as arthwollipot has already mentioned.

So, to back up what is already being said: Fires out good, everything else, not so much.
I understand that. It is going to happen at some point anyway so having it happen now and put out, or control, the fires at the same time is more advantageous than having it happen in six months when the fires have burned a few million more hectares.
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And I thought the California fires last year were pretty bad......
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And I thought the California fires last year were pretty bad......
They were. They definitely were. But this is bigger than those and last year's Amazon fires combined.
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There is a benefit of having the government pay through its' nose to compensate people, in that it will hopefully bring it home to them that preventative measures is cost effective.
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I was disgusted today to see Morrison talk about the need to preserve jobs, aka coal jobs, and the news interviewers didn't ask the most blatantly obvious question, "What about everyone else's jobs: farmers, ranchers, tourist entry, all those volunteer fire fighters who've missed months of work, ..."

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I was disgusted today to see Morrison talk about the need to preserve jobs, aka coal jobs, and the news interviewers didn't ask the most blatantly obvious question, "What about everyone else's jobs: farmers, ranchers, tourist entry, all those volunteer fire fighters who've missed months of work, ..."

That's how I feel every time the man opens his mouth.
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Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger View Post
I was disgusted today to see Morrison talk about the need to preserve jobs, aka coal jobs, and the news interviewers didn't ask the most blatantly obvious question, "What about everyone else's jobs: farmers, ranchers, tourist entry, all those volunteer fire fighters who've missed months of work, ..."

Coal mining is the only job Soot Morrison thinks worth preserving.

He even brought some to school for show-and-tell.
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Coal mining is the only job Soot Morrison thinks worth preserving.

He even brought some to school for show-and-tell.
Oh that's as pitiful as Senator Inhoff's snowball in Congress to supposedly prove global warming isn't real because it snowed in DC.

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Good news! Rain on the way.

Bad news! Biblical amounts of it forecast, bringing flooding and landslide.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/world/austra...flash-flooding
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Good news! Rain on the way.

Bad news! Biblical amounts of it forecast, bringing flooding and landslide.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/world/austra...flash-flooding
30 mm in Melbourne in a couple of hours. If this gets to Gippsland it will surely extinguish the fires.

Haven’t had rain like this for months.
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When do the swarms of locust appear?
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When do the swarms of locust appear?
Right after the frogs.
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When do the swarms of locust appear?
UN Locust Watch
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Numerous and very large swarms pose an unprecedented threat to food security and livelihoods in Horn of Africa

In the Horn of Africa, there has been a significant and extremely dangerous increase in swarm activity during the past week in Kenya where numerous, large immature swarms are spreading from the initial invasion areas of the northeast (Mandera county) south to Wajir and Garissa, west along the Ethiopian border (Moyale and Marsabit counties) and southwest into central areas north of Mt Kenya (Isiolo, Samburu, Meru and most recently Laikipia counties). One immature swarm was 60 km long by 40 km wide in the northeast. More swarms are expected to occur in these areas, some of which are already moving north of Mt. Kenya westwards to the Rift Valley (Baringo county) where they could continue northwest to Turkana county, while others will move west along the Ethiopian border, and some swarms could move further south to Tana River county. Some swarms may reach northeast Uganda and southeast South Sudan. In all areas, there is an unprecedented threat to food security and livelihoods. In the northeast, some swarms have started to mature, which means that egg-laying could be imminent in open areas of sandy moist soil where eggs would hatch after about two weeks and give rise to numerous hopper bands in February.
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Yeah, we got an almighty dumping which lasted about five minutes, and then went away. Today the AQI is 164. We might get more rain Sunday/Monday but that's all that's on the 7-day.

I've heard that a bunch of fires were extinguished on the south coast, though. So that's good.
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Batemans Bay businesses on bushfire-ravaged South Coast sing for Canberra tourists to return

* arthwollipot makes a note to head to the coast for fish and chips soon.
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Yeah, we got an almighty dumping which lasted about five minutes, and then went away. Today the AQI is 164. We might get more rain Sunday/Monday but that's all that's on the 7-day.

I've heard that a bunch of fires were extinguished on the south coast, though. So that's good.
The map says they are "under control" or "Being controlled". Cannot find any that are rated as extinguished. Though the difference may only be minor.

Waiting for rain on Sunday and Monday.

Would have thought the rain would have got rid of the smoke but I am wrong. I would not go to the coast until the smoke has gone. I go to the coast to do exercise, not be locked up due to dangerous levels of smoke.
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It seems the smoke has disappeared over Melbourne now.
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Today, the VicEmergency has issued me warnings 5 or 6 times.

A few were about a fire 30 km away.

One was about the Budj Bim fire now being contained, but be vigilant.

And one just now about flood warnings.
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Originally Posted by lionking View Post
This is not going to be a popular post, but I’m starting to get really annoyed at so many people effected by the fires (I’m not talking about those who have lost properties) demanding government support in the media. People who have become unemployed as a consequence get unemployment benefit. Not good enough according to the unions. They should get the average wage instead, which would be a massive slap in the face to all those struggling on Newstart.

Businesses which have missed out on holiday income demanding the government make good their losses. There is insurance they could have taken out to cover this, but nobody bothers as they can’t imagine a bad holiday season.

I saw someone in an isolated town complain that government agencies haven’t visited his town, pointing out that he couldn’t get to see them because of road closures!!!

Others who can’t work because the business closed due to the fires asking for compensation. Businesses (including my last employer) close down all the time without the government throwing lifelines.

I have donated to the fire funds, but with some discomfort as i don’t know where this money is going.

Okay, I’ve dug a hole, so will keep digging. I personally know many people who benefitted handsomely after Black Saturday. People who lost homes (a horrible experience without doubt) got six figure charity payments, on top of insurance payments (not everyone had their homes insured), Centrelink and other government payments and law suit settlements for the many who joined class actions. Many people who stayed rebuilt bigger and better. Others moved to better suburbs.

If you can’t afford home insurance, you can’t really afford a house. If you can’t insure your business, you are a poor businessperson.

Rant over.

Thank you!!

I've been getting disgusted by people thinking they could do better.

By angry mobs hounding (not a strong enough word) Scott Morrison (I voted for an independent).

Saying he "should have done x, y, z, anything but whatever he did today".

I was having quite a long exchange with a friend who had done it.

The whole #auspol is toxic. They gang up on people and lash out without taking in any nuance or spending time reading articles.

Another friend liked something that looked like a threat to another politician.
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Originally Posted by Orphia Nay View Post
The whole #auspol is toxic.
It ain't just Australia.
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This is crazy. Just had flooding and hail the size of golf balls falling in Melbourne, then there is fire out of control north of Melbourne and residents have been told it's too late to flee.
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Originally Posted by Orphia Nay View Post
Thank you!!

I've been getting disgusted by people thinking they could do better.

By angry mobs hounding (not a strong enough word) Scott Morrison (I voted for an independent).

Saying he "should have done x, y, z, anything but whatever he did today".

I was having quite a long exchange with a friend who had done it.

The whole #auspol is toxic. They gang up on people and lash out without taking in any nuance or spending time reading articles.

Another friend liked something that looked like a threat to another politician.

The Liberal Party have been exploiting the Labor Party and Greens trying to do something to prevent these fires for political gain. Now there is nothing Morrison can do except watch it burn and still insist there is no crises and there will still be no change in the deadly policies because they can get power by denying the science and appealing to short term self sinterest. I really fear for the world I am leaving to my children. Senior representatives of the Emergency tried to tell Morrison that this would be the worst year ever for fires and Morrison ignored them.
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Hail at the National Film and Sound Archive HQ in Acton, Canberra 'punctured the roof like bullets https://t.co/qIq1zqeIzq
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