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Old Yesterday, 11:09 AM   #761
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Originally Posted by aleCcowaN View Post
I already presented to him two possible variables in post #711 -one will lead him to the answer in just one simple step of abstraction-.
As did I, probably 200 posts before that. Strangely enough, all Buddha can seem to accomplish is repeating his same, "I compared these two pictures and they don't look anything alike." I'm not getting the impression he believes that any sort of abstract thought is necessary here.
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Originally Posted by JayUtah View Post
We're not going to get anywhere until he stops personalizing the debate.
Then, we're not going to get anywhere. How can you ask the mosquito not to bite?

But in his defence, because of his posts this thread was already going nowhere, even before he started his personal attacks.
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Old Yesterday, 12:27 PM   #763
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Originally Posted by JayUtah View Post
It's just more gaslighting, obviously.
Quite clearly. But sometimes what he says is so jaw droppingly ignorant, I just can't help but feed the trolls. I'm actually bit surprised he hasn't gone down in flames yet by exercising the ban option so he can save whatever shreds of his persona's dignity remain.

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"mathematical statistics." (I wasn't aware there was a non-mathematical kind.)
My recollection is that "mathematical statistics" was taught in the math department because the students were required to do other worldly things like prove of the central limit theorem. Those of us that took statistics and econometrics, could just accept the proofs and move on.

Not that Buddha actually cared. But in some sophomoric, hair splitting way he may be gloating inside.

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Originally Posted by Pooneil View Post
My recollection is that "mathematical statistics" was taught in the math department because the students were required to do other worldly things like prove of the central limit theorem. Those of us that took statistics and econometrics, could just accept the proofs and move on.
Is some Statistics taught outside the math department? (I'm used to universities with large student populations and divided in "watertight" schools, each one with its own departments, though I followed another career in a small private university without departments)

The only elements of Statistics I had taught to me in a course not belonging to the math department were the Maxwell-Boltzmann, Fermi-Dirac and Bose-Einstein distributions and other few subjects taught within my fifth and sixth semesters of Physics.

I always thought "Estadística Matemática" was a high falutin name given to a highly theoretical course I had to follow. I liked better Probability & Statistics, and Inferential Statistics, both the right balance between theory and practice.

But some topics are deeply revisited in higher courses, like Research and other thesis related courses.
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Originally Posted by aleCcowaN View Post
Is some Statistics taught outside the math department? (I'm used to universities with large student populations and divided in "watertight" schools, each one with its own departments, though I followed another career in a small private university without departments)
In many universities, statistics is taught in the Department of Statistics.

It's also common to have what are effectively serious statistics courses taught in economics departments and no doubt other departments as well.
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Originally Posted by aleCcowaN View Post
Is some Statistics taught outside the math department?
Yes, but only if special topics are indicated.

The consensus between the two statisticians I talked to is that "mathematical statistics" is probably what we would more commonly call in English, "statistical probability." Ironically that's the most commonly required kind of statistics study among the fields Buddha named earlier. It doesn't really have much to do with the analytical and inferential statistics we're talking about here with respect to the psychology studies. It's not a big deal; I just thought it was a curious turn of phrase.
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In many universities, statistics is taught in the Department of Statistics.

It's also common to have what are effectively serious statistics courses taught in economics departments and no doubt other departments as well.
My wife has a doctorate in Education and took a lot of statistics for that (she does quantitative research). The courses she took, however, were not taught in the Education but in the Mathematics Department.
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Originally Posted by JayUtah View Post
Yes, but only if special topics are indicated.

The consensus between the two statisticians I talked to is that "mathematical statistics" is probably what we would more commonly call in English, "statistical probability." Ironically that's the most commonly required kind of statistics study among the fields Buddha named earlier. It doesn't really have much to do with the analytical and inferential statistics we're talking about here with respect to the psychology studies. It's not a big deal; I just thought it was a curious turn of phrase.
For all these topics """"Buddha"""" follows what Wikiwad tells him. There's an article in English about "mathematical statistics". It started in 2004 and evolved in a way it now refers to a slightly different thing, expanded to include stochastic processes and whatnot.

Surprisingly, """"Buddha"""" 's knowledge, acquired during the last 35 years, always matches the last version of every Wikiwad article, and more (he says)! but always curiously revolving around the last version in Wikiwad. What an amazing coincidence. Even more, what a cutting edge education! or, what an ability to foresee the future!


[Do you think he believed it?]
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By the way, I found the paper with Jeffers experiment on telekinesis using a single slit. It's very interesting. It's how I intuitively had developed the experiment, but there are certain potential problems with the setting that make much better his double slit version.

In this experiment the variable is almost one of two I offered for """"Buddha"""" to confirm or deny (Jeffers' gives it a proper name that I omitted), and follows a normal distribution, undoubtedly. A test is performed for obvious reasons. Is it a t-test or a Z-test? Mystère et boule de gomme.

I already sent the link to Jay. Anyone else who'd like to have this link sent, just let me know here or by PM.
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Originally Posted by aleCcowaN View Post
For all these topics """"Buddha"""" follows what Wikiwad tells him. There's an article in English about "mathematical statistics".
Hm. Now I just took it initially to be one of those curious turns of phrase we sometimes see from Buddha. But now that I read the article, I'm inclined to agree to your interpretation. He seems to be groping for buzzwords and impressive-sounding concepts, staying fairly close to the Wikipedia landscape.

But what's more interesting is that there's nothing in the Wikipedia article that isn't already a foundational concept covered in exisitng statistics courses. There's nothing magical or obscure there at all. I don't see why the set of fundamentals gets its own name.

Buddha appears to be struggling to split another hair. I think he's coming around to the notion that he can't succeed with a direct bluff. Just like Jabba had to come up with "holistic thinking" as the all-important magical process that he'd mastered and no one else could, Buddha is casting about for something he can still claim to be expert in while acknowledging the inescapable fact that his opponents here are statistically savvy. So he latches onto "mathematical statistics" and tries the gambit: "Yes, this is the kind of statistics you need to know, and I know it and none of you guys do."

Good catch.

No, of course he doesn't know it. He doesn't yet know what a distribution fundamentally represents. That's not a shortcoming he can sustain while pretending to be so very enlightened regarding theory.
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Originally Posted by aleCcowaN View Post
Is some Statistics taught outside the math department?
The business schools I've attended taught statistics and regression analysis with in the school. The Economics department also taught stat and regression as econometrics, which is what you needed for the PhD program in Finance. One business school had a course in stochastic calculus taught through the quantitative management program because that was the profs speciality. It attracted mostly physics PHD students that wanted to go on to work as quants in financial or industrial companies.

As a finance TA, I was introduced to the term "mathematical statistics" while working with a math TA to help a football player pass his classes.

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Originally Posted by aleCcowaN View Post
In this experiment the variable is almost one of two I offered for """"Buddha"""" to confirm or deny...
Effectively it is one of the ones you suggested. And Jeffers states a number of times what the dependent variable is whose distribution he studies. It's not the normalized distribution of the photon hits themselves.
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Thank you all for the interesting information about how are high studies organized in the States. I did 60% of my studies in the UNBA (National University of Buenos Aires) when it had just 240,000 students. Now it has only 320,000 because many other national universities were settled in the Metropolitan Area of Buenos Aires to avoid student overpopulation. Otherwise it'd have some 600,000 students.
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