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One could agree with all of this, (I admit not being very acquainted with details of the net economics,) but still believe that the existence of any aristocracy is an affront to humanity and that any slight loss in one sector of a few natons’s economies would be more than offset by the elimination of the thought of a set of humans being superior in every way because of birth.
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#1242 |
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OD’ing on Damitol
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As human right is always something given, it always in reality reduces to the right which men give, "concede," to each other. If the right to existence is conceded to new-born children, then they have the right; if it is not conceded to them, as was the case among the Spartans and ancient Romans, then they do not have it. For only society can give or concede it to them; they themselves cannot take it, or give it to themselves. |
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As human right is always something given, it always in reality reduces to the right which men give, "concede," to each other. If the right to existence is conceded to new-born children, then they have the right; if it is not conceded to them, as was the case among the Spartans and ancient Romans, then they do not have it. For only society can give or concede it to them; they themselves cannot take it, or give it to themselves. |
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As human right is always something given, it always in reality reduces to the right which men give, "concede," to each other. If the right to existence is conceded to new-born children, then they have the right; if it is not conceded to them, as was the case among the Spartans and ancient Romans, then they do not have it. For only society can give or concede it to them; they themselves cannot take it, or give it to themselves. |
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As human right is always something given, it always in reality reduces to the right which men give, "concede," to each other. If the right to existence is conceded to new-born children, then they have the right; if it is not conceded to them, as was the case among the Spartans and ancient Romans, then they do not have it. For only society can give or concede it to them; they themselves cannot take it, or give it to themselves. |
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#1253 |
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Agreed. Assertions that the royal family is a net financial benefit to the country, and assertions that the royal family is a net financial drain on the country should be equally rejected as unknown, until such time that an unbiased detailed financial analysis is available.
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WTAF are you on? I never introduced the issue of encouraging tourism being a part of QEII's "job". Darat hinted at it and you've doubled down vaguely hinting that, because it's been mentioned herein, in must be.
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#1255 |
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The Crown Estate announces £269.3 million net revenue profit for 2020/21
- From the Crown Estate website. Down on teh previous year, which was: "The Crown Estate announces £345.0 million net revenue profit for 2019/20" https://www.thecrownestate.co.uk/en-...it-for-201920/ "The Crown Estate is an independent commercial business, created by an Act of Parliament, with a diverse portfolio of UK buildings, shoreline, seabed, forestry, agriculture and common land. The business generates valuable revenue for the government and over the last 10 years has contributed £2.6 billion to the Consolidated Fund. The Crown Estate works with HM Treasury." https://www.gov.uk/government/organi...e-crown-estate Wiki suggests that 75% of the profits go to the Government, while the remaining 25% go to the Royal family. |
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Well that is one side of it. Now we need something similar showing direct costs to the government for support to the royal family. Presumably this would involve such things as military costs for guards, parades etc., police costs for security, and many other things that I cannot think of but I am sure someone has.
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Some good info here:
https://www.instituteforgovernment.o...royal-finances
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Discounting the Diamond jubilee costs (I don't think it is likely another diamond jubilee will be had in the next 100 years, considering the ages of the king and the Prince of Wales). And even if it should occur, the country can save for 60 years for another jubilee.
Anyway. Those costs ignored, it all seems very low key in added costs. Certainly less than the published profits from above. |
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One area where he is weak in his argument in favour of the Monarchy is that he cites the Queen as been really good at her job, and gives many examples. This is fine, but isn't an argument in favour of a Monarchy, especially when you can't really choose them, as its a birth right. So you could get a relaly poos Monarch, but they would still need to be worthwhile for a Monarchy to be worthwhile.
He does though make the claim that constiutional monarchies are better, and does try to support it (giving an example of Spain). One of my issues with our monarchy is the significent we spend on the compared with other European countries. Looking at the figures I posted earlier, it doesn't look huge, given teh Crown Esate etc, generates money, but when I watched some of the funeral, I was struck by the shear quantity of ceremony we generally have relating to her/him. Does it add value? Even if you or I don't care for it, do other people/contries take note, and are swayed by it in a positive way? |
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The US presidental election is similar to our general election.
We need to sit back and wait for the official figures on the queens death. Once we have considered the loss in production from the extra bank holiday, police and other costs and compared that to the extra tourism income from the whole event we can decide whether regicide should be an annual event. |
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Anyone wanting a warts and all look at what the Royals get up to I highly recommend this book: ... And What Do You Do?: What The Royal Family Don't Want You To Know – Norman Baker
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The Queen's staff, many of whom have been employed at Buck House all their lives, look set to be given the boot by HRH Dickhead.
Merry Christmas! https://www.stuff.co.nz/life-style/r...ng-other-staff In related news, I'd be advising William to start a list of what he's going to do as King, because I've never seen a sicker-looking bloke than Charles in the photo in that story. His face the look of a three bottles of scotch a day alkie, and his lips are dead-set purple. I don't see him getting near his parents' ages. |
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