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Old 30th September 2018, 01:38 AM   #3281
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Amazing that he can provide BigFoot population estimates based on dust and misidentified bear dung.

Why doesn't he publish a paper to add to our knowledge of reproductive rates and mortality of non human primates? Just think his work could be added to a Table like this:
Mortality and fertility parameters for nonhuman primates and humans
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/art...ort=objectonly

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Alberts, S. C., Altmann, J., Brockman, D. K., Cords, M., Fedigan, L. M., Pusey, A., … Bronikowski, A. M. (2013). Reproductive aging patterns in primates reveal that humans are distinct. Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences of the United States of America, 110(33), 13440–13445. http://doi.org/10.1073/pnas.1311857110

If you look in Google Scholar, DJ Meldrum has publications from the late 1980's up into the early 00's where it starts to taper off, but then there doesn't seem to be anything since 2013. If my cursory lit search is accurate, then any career as a legitimate researcher ended some time ago.
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Old 30th September 2018, 06:30 PM   #3282
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Originally Posted by snoop_doxie View Post
Where would I look to find these talks about birds in my area?
I live in southeast Georgia.
DM if you need more help than this, but I'd first look for a local Audubon chapter.
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Old 1st October 2018, 07:48 AM   #3283
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Originally Posted by DennyT View Post
I particularly loved his idea that the Wallace tracks are from the Patterson individual i.e Patty. He was inspired to figure that out from watching his now-ex curl up her toes while watching TV.
This is what passes for science.
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A large sample of footprint casts and photos, representing a wide temporal and geographic range, has been evaluated by Meldrum (1999, 2004, 2006) and others (e.g. Bindernagel, 1998; Krantz 1999; Murphy, 2004).
None of these citations are proper peer reviewed publications. The Murphy 2004 is of course the paperback picture book Meet the Sasquatch, written by a freelance writer who a few years previously had declared the PGF to be a fake based on some imagined drawstring toggle.
As the proud owner of the later edition Know the Sasquatch I can tell you that there is indeed quite an extensive and colorful section on tracks.
This is what passes for science.
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Old 1st October 2018, 09:27 AM   #3284
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Murphy (p. 116-170) does get some credit for going beyond Meldrum’s fantasy-based healthy imaginings unscientific screeds musings by actually doing some experimentation with stompers.

In this section Murphy also publishes two papers by Meldrum that had not been accepted for publication.
The first is the paper represented by the 1999 abstract cited in the taxon paper: Evaluation of Alleged Sasquatch Footprints etc. This paper was once upon a time available on the ISU server but but has since been removed. It can still be found elsewhere.

The second Meldrum paper published in this section of Murphy’s book is undated but written after the 1999 abstract. I had not seen this anywhere before:
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Dermatoglyphics in Casts of Alleged North American Ape Footprints.
This is hilarious. Hook, line and sinker...
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...1963...Hyampom...dermal ridges are evident flowing parallel to the edge of the foot...Officer J.H. Chilcutt...dermal ridges trend lengthwise ...especially along the margins...multiple independent examples of footprint casts and thousands of miles, each displaying consistently distinct dermatoglyphics constitutes significant affirmative evidence for the presence of an unrecognized North American Ape.
. —-p. 161-165
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Old 1st October 2018, 09:56 AM   #3285
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Searching, I find there is something out there,
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Dermatoglyphics in casts of alleged North American ape footprints. (Biology Poster Abstracts)
Author(s): D. Jeffrey Meldrum and Lonny G. Erikson .
Source: Journal of the Idaho Academy of Science.
Document Type: Brief article
Article Preview :

D. Jeffrey Meldrum* Perennial reports of giant apes, commonly referred to as Bigfoot or Sasquatch, have emanated from the montane forests of the United States and Canada. Hundreds of large humanoid footprints have been discovered, many of these have been photographed and/or preserved as plaster casts. In some instances, soil...
Source Citation (MLA 8 th Edition)
Meldrum, D. Jeffrey, and Lonny G. Erikson. "Dermatoglyphics in casts of alleged North American ape footprints. (Biology Poster Abstracts)." Journal of the Idaho Academy of Science, vol. 37, no. 1, 2001, p. 36. Academic OneFile
The “Article Preview” above is identical to the opening sentences in the Meldrum piece printed by Murphy. However, in the book, Meldrum is the sole author and no credit to or mention of Erikson, probably a student.
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Old 3rd October 2018, 11:13 AM   #3286
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So does he mention this paper in his CV? Hilariously Murphy puts an actual red flag on the DJM paper!! And follows it wth Matt Crowley’s paper on plaster pouring artifacts in the Blue Creek Mountain casts!! When the professor gets redflagged by freakin’ Chris Murphy...well...
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Old 3rd October 2018, 12:48 PM   #3287
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Originally Posted by DennyT View Post
So does he mention this paper in his CV? Hilariously Murphy puts an actual red flag on the DJM paper!! And follows it wth Matt Crowley’s paper on plaster pouring artifacts in the Blue Creek Mountain casts!! When the professor gets redflagged by freakin’ Chris Murphy...well...
He's been "redflagged" a thousand times. The problem for us (the rational skeptic opposition?) is nobody else really gives a **** what "The Snake" is up to besides us. He could go in and completely change those papers to something about Aardvarks and nobody with any heft would say a ******* thing about it, and mostly because they all couldn't care less what he does. Which is what makes Meldrum's evil that much more diabolical as he's actually affecting the entire planet's population (not just BLAARGers). He's already effectively gaming the system by totally subverting the public trust aspect of the "scientist seeking facts empirically" equation. So his taking advantage of the apparently widespread apathy that surrounds him and his employ just adds icing to the cake. And it involves him simply doing to them (i.e. the ones that should but don't care) exactly what he does to BLAARGers (i.e. the ones that do care): lies/pretends/portrays everything he is doing and saying is coming from a place of "genuine science". It's such a simple and effective lie that he can actually live it day-to-day without fear of rebuke. It's quite pathetic to more normal people.
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Old 4th October 2018, 08:35 PM   #3288
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Originally Posted by Pterodactyl View Post
Was able to search his base salary on the transparent idaho website.

https://transparent.idaho.gov/Pages/transhome.aspx
Doesn't look like the State of Idaho likes to pay much more than $40/hr. to anyone short of a judge. Meldrum's at $36+/hr.

Just a few (real) names from the list:
Alan Allen - Services Navigator @ Department of Health & Welfare
Babe Baker - Temporary Employee Health District
Sierra Beach - Graduate Assistantship UI
and
Aida Midgett - Department Head @ Boise State
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Old 5th October 2018, 01:40 AM   #3289
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Doesn't look like the State of Idaho likes to pay much more than $40/hr. to anyone short of a judge. Meldrum's at $36+/hr...
Well, you pay peanuts, you get monkeys.
(or, somewhat paradoxically in this case, no monkey at all).
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Old 6th October 2018, 07:49 AM   #3290
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Originally Posted by HarryHenderson View Post
He's been "redflagged" a thousand times. The problem for us (the rational skeptic opposition?) is nobody else really gives a **** what "The Snake" is up to besides us. He could go in and completely change those papers to something about Aardvarks and nobody with any heft would say a ******* thing about it, and mostly because they all couldn't care less what he does. Which is what makes Meldrum's evil that much more diabolical as he's actually affecting the entire planet's population (not just BLAARGers). He's already effectively gaming the system by totally subverting the public trust aspect of the "scientist seeking facts empirically" equation. So his taking advantage of the apparently widespread apathy that surrounds him and his employ just adds icing to the cake. And it involves him simply doing to them (i.e. the ones that should but don't care) exactly what he does to BLAARGers (i.e. the ones that do care): lies/pretends/portrays everything he is doing and saying is coming from a place of "genuine science". It's such a simple and effective lie that he can actually live it day-to-day without fear of rebuke. It's quite pathetic to more normal people.
Well put!
Sharon A. Hill has a new post, discussing a piece by Marc Eaton on ghost hunters, who have many similarities to bigfooters.

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The technological, sciencey view, he says, is supported by TV shows. We both found that TV shows were highly influential in how ghost seekers behave (the how of ghost seeking). While there were Ghost Hunters before the TV show, the explosion of participants came after these shows. I think viewers who eventually became active in the field were compelled to act on their interest by the ease of participation. (If these ghost plumbers can do it, so can I.) As part of the lay public, they assumed what the TV ghost hunters were doing was “science”. It looked and sounded sciencey to them. This assumption is based on the premise that we learn what science is supposed to look like mostly through media representations of it, not because we actually know what science is and how to do it.

When most people accept these media depictions as science, then by coping that template, you are effectively doing science in the eyes of the public. Members of the public who chose to investigate the paranormal have been influenced by guys playing pretend scientists on TV; they go on to role-play as a scientific investigator themselves and convince other members of the public. It’s science LARPing. I can’t conclude it has much to do with scientism – it’s what they think they are supposed to do.
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Old 6th October 2018, 10:07 AM   #3291
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Gwyneth Paltrow and Tom Brady sellin’ it:

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There were aromatic sprays that promised to “help prevent depression” and jade and rose quartz vaginal eggs to “balance hormones, regulate menstrual cycles… and increase bladder control.” Goop claimed that $120 “biofrequency healing sticker packs”—that were supposed to “rebalance the energy frequency in our bodies”—were used by NASA to line space suits and track astronaut vitals. NASA promptly slammed these claims.
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Old 6th October 2018, 03:11 PM   #3292
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Originally Posted by EHocking View Post
Well, you pay peanuts, you get monkeys.
(or, somewhat paradoxically in this case, no monkey at all).
Clever! Speaking of cheap minkeys.

Originally Posted by DennyT View Post
...As part of the lay public, they assumed what the TV ghost hunters were doing was “science”. It looked and sounded sciencey to them. This assumption is based on the premise that we learn what science is supposed to look like mostly through media representations of it, not because we actually know what science is and how to do it.

When most people accept these media depictions as science, then by coping that template, you are effectively doing science in the eyes of the public...
Add in the fact he's an actual scientist doing that same dance and we'd probably have to spend millions of dollars and lose thousands of skeptical lives trying to prove to a now convinced public he's not doing actual science.

Meldrum's biggest problem despite the ongoing success of his scam is he can't see the future and its serious potential to, essentially, falsify Bigfoot. Not quite there yet, but I can see it happening. Then he'll wonder what it was all about, forgetting of course it was all about the chicks, man.
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Old 20th October 2018, 08:57 AM   #3293
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Falcon fallout

Word on the street ‘net is that there is some residual bitterness: Meldrum “was a major part of that Falcon project which destroyed at least one life (guy left living in his car after having driven across the u.s. to work as part of the ground crew which was abandoned by the project organizers - bonus points car was broken into and the guy lost everything in it which was everything he had left in the world).”
This is an astonishing story waiting to be told.
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Old 20th October 2018, 03:39 PM   #3294
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Anyone going to be surprised when scumbag Don "The Snake" Meldrum finally comes out (of the closet?) and mean-mouths this guy? Actually I doubt he'll ever say anything about it, his ruse is far more dependent on his saying very little than saying something intelligent. It's why he'd NEVER come here to discuss Bigfoot with us. Yet this place is probably the most neutral moderated Bigfoot ground he could hope to find on the Internet. Basic facts would be his problem Kryptonite.
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Originally Posted by DennyT View Post
Word on the street ‘net is that there is some residual bitterness: Meldrum “was a major part of that Falcon project which destroyed at least one life (guy left living in his car after having driven across the u.s. to work as part of the ground crew which was abandoned by the project organizers - bonus points car was broken into and the guy lost everything in it which was everything he had left in the world).”
This is an astonishing story waiting to be told.
That sounds like Nathanfooter over at BFF (Bigfoot Fantasy w/Friends) he did get his gear stolen, but it doesn't sound like it was the ruination of his life. He apparently has purchased a fairly expensive thermal cam.
But on the other hand, if your wasting thousands of dollars on gear to film a myth....it could be a kind of ruination if the money could have been spent on...I don't know.....something with better chance of happening like...lottery tickets!
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