The right goes to war against "the woke"

arayder · 7th February 2023, 12:05 AM

https://tomklingenstein.com/woke-rev...2CrrIbyVSUpgNc

Quote:

"America is in the middle of a Cold Civil War between woke revolutionaries—who believe America is and has always been systemically racist (evil), so that it must be deconstructed, de-legitimized (i.e., destroyed)—and those who believe that America is good, that its principles are the greatest antidote to racism ever created, and that preserving America and its principles is the highest and most urgent political calling. Let’s call these patriots “Americanists."

Comments welcomed.

Skeptic Ginger · 7th February 2023, 12:29 AM

What a pile of crap!

Basically the guy is saying all the alt-right fear mongering is true even though it's 100% BS. There's nothing to debate.

arayder · 7th February 2023, 12:41 AM

Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger

What a pile of crap!

Basically the guy is saying all the alt-right fear mongering is true even though it's 100% BS. There's nothing to debate.

My guess is that if we looked into it we'd see that Fonte and Klingenstein have been carrying the anti-affirmative action torch for decades and have simply reworked the "liberals are commies" argument into something that resonates with the anti-woke argument that is all the rage in some circles now-a-days.

Gulliver Foyle · 7th February 2023, 06:10 AM

Originally Posted by arayder

https://tomklingenstein.com/woke-rev...2CrrIbyVSUpgNc

Comments welcomed.

He's not too far off. There's two groups in the US, the reality based community and republicans. And because of the actions of authoritarians like Tommy boy, a second civil war is increasingly likely.

PS had a scan through the article and what the crybaby is accusing the "left" of doing is what the party of treason, his party, are actually doing. Never has the rule of law been so jeopardised by such a whiny bunch of whingers.

arayder · 7th February 2023, 07:58 AM

Originally Posted by Gulliver Foyle

He's not too far off. There's two groups in the US, the reality based community and republicans. And because of the actions of authoritarians like Tommy boy, a second civil war is increasingly likely.

PS had a scan through the article and what the crybaby is accusing the "left" of doing is what the party of treason, his party, are actually doing. Never has the rule of law been so jeopardised by such a whiny bunch of whingers.

Klingenstein runs the trick of picking out the most progressive, leftist Democrats and then pretending they run the whole party with an iron fist. Dems sometime pull the same trick by pointing out a stupid, bigoted, fat bellied congressman and saying, "See what the Republicans are. . .".

In this way Klingenstein is in effect a conspiracy theorist.

Tero · 7th February 2023, 09:35 AM

I told them once the great replacement theory is true. All of us will be replaced by people not born yet. They did not get it.

wareyin · 7th February 2023, 10:04 AM

Originally Posted by arayder

Klingenstein runs the trick of picking out the most progressive, leftist Democrats and then pretending they run the whole party with an iron fist. Dems sometime pull the same trick by pointing out a stupid, bigoted, fat bellied congressman and saying, "See what the Republicans are. . .".

In this way Klingenstein is in effect a conspiracy theorist.

Yeah, Klingenstein trotting out the most fringe, anonymous, powerless persona he could find online and saying that's the Democrat's plan is totally the same as when Democrats point out what actual Republican Congressmen are doing with their congressional power is what the Republican Party is doing...

grunion · 7th February 2023, 10:13 AM

It's all about white guys getting their hackles up about women requiring consent and dickwads being called out for racist jokes and comments.

Beelzebuddy · 7th February 2023, 10:22 AM

Originally Posted by arayder

Comments welcomed.

Who is this choad any why does this mean anything different from the last hundred times the far right has declared fatwa?

arayder · 7th February 2023, 10:27 AM

Originally Posted by Beelzebuddy

Who is this choad any why does this mean anything different from the last hundred times the far right has declared fatwa?

This time they have jumped on the anti-woke bandwagon. It's worth pointing out the some folks on that wagon aren't nearly as fervent as Klingenstein.

Mojo · 7th February 2023, 12:34 PM

Originally Posted by arayder

Dems sometime pull the same trick by pointing out a stupid, bigoted, fat bellied congressman and saying, "See what the Republicans are. . .".

I don't think he's ever been a congressman.

Stacyhs · 7th February 2023, 02:27 PM

Originally Posted by arayder

https://tomklingenstein.com/woke-rev...2CrrIbyVSUpgNc

Quote:

"America is in the middle of a Cold Civil War between woke revolutionaries—who believe America is and has always been systemically racist (evil), so that it must be deconstructed, de-legitimized (i.e., destroyed)—and those who believe that America is good, that its principles are the greatest antidote to racism ever created, and that preserving America and its principles is the highest and most urgent political calling. Let’s call these patriots “Americanists."

Comments welcomed.

I guess that's one way to look at it...if you're delusional.

I suspect people who cannot... or refuse to... see that this country has always had and still has a racism problem are in denial because they are either consciously or subconsciously racists themselves. Or, they are just incredibly stupid or live in a bubble.

"...[America's] principles are the greatest antidote to racism ever created"

Then explain how slavery existed from America's founding to the end of the Civil War, how Jim Crow laws existed until 1968, and why people of color continue to be disproportionately imprisoned and living in poverty. That "antidote" doesn't seem to be very effective.

"preserving America and its principles is the highest and most urgent political calling. Let’s call these patriots 'Americanists'."

We certainly can't call them 'Republicans' considering the last few years.

Horatius · 7th February 2023, 02:38 PM

Originally Posted by Stacyhs

"...[America's] principles are the greatest antidote to racism ever created"

Then explain how slavery existed from America's founding to the end of the Civil War, how Jim Crow laws existed until 1968, and why people of color continue to be disproportionately imprisoned and living in poverty. That "antidote" doesn't seem to be very effective.

I was going to point that out as an example of an assertion that is both true and false at the same time. In principle, the ideals underlying the US really are a great antidote to racism. The problem is, in practice, the US has consistently failed to live up to the principles upon which it believes it was founded.

As with all "antidotes", you actually need to take the antidote for it to work. There's no point in having the best antidote in the world, if you're content to just let everyone die of poisoning, anyways.

dann · 7th February 2023, 03:05 PM

Didn't the founders own slaves?!

Stacyhs · 7th February 2023, 03:11 PM

Originally Posted by Horatius

I was going to point that out as an example of an assertion that is both true and false at the same time. In principle, the ideals underlying the US really are a great antidote to racism. The problem is, in practice, the US has consistently failed to live up to the principles upon which it believes it was founded.

As with all "antidotes", you actually need to take the antidote for it to work. There's no point in having the best antidote in the world, if you're content to just let everyone die of poisoning, anyways.

I agree. Principles are an ideal seldom lived up to in practice. However, that doesn't mean we have to give up striving to achieve them.

mgidm86 · 7th February 2023, 03:49 PM

I got as far as

Quote:

"Indiana congressman Jim Banks recently announced the formation of an anti-woke caucus. Good."

No need to read further, just another ******* creating an enemy so everybody can watch him attack it.

Why should I care what this guy thinks, they all think this way. I skimmed it for 20 seconds and he's an ignorant fool.

Quote:

The Claremont Institute is a conservative think tank

Laughing dog here. This guy is their chairman. A real thinker.

TheGoldcountry · 7th February 2023, 03:59 PM

Originally Posted by dann

Didn't the founders own slaves?!

In 1865, the Union won the Civil War, and America was finally perfect.

dudalb · 7th February 2023, 04:28 PM

Just visited his homepage.
A load of total BS.
He is, of course, a die hard Trump supporter.

Norman Alexander · 7th February 2023, 04:31 PM

When I discovered this Klingenstein twerp had made a Youtube on "The Virtues of Donald Trump" then I genuinely spat my coffee and laughed out loud.

It's a satire website...surely!

arayder · 7th February 2023, 04:35 PM

Originally Posted by Horatius

I was going to point that out as an example of an assertion that is both true and false at the same time. In principle, the ideals underlying the US really are a great antidote to racism. The problem is, in practice, the US has consistently failed to live up to the principles upon which it believes it was founded.

As with all "antidotes", you actually need to take the antidote for it to work. There's no point in having the best antidote in the world, if you're content to just let everyone die of poisoning, anyways.

Originally Posted by Norman Alexander

When I discovered this Klingenstein twerp had made a Youtube on "The Virtues of Donald Trump" then I genuinely spat my coffee and laughed out loud.

It's a satire website...surely!

If you watch Klingenstein's YouTubes* you can see that he loves Trump, backs up the stolen election claim and piles on a ton of Trumpian vitriol.

He calls progressives "woke communists" and says their goal and that of the Democratic Party is to destroy America. He touches all the anti-woke, hate-the-Dems bases. He says the "woke" want white men to feel bad about themselves (amateur psychologists might ask him what it is he feels bad about?).

The guy's just over the top!

*
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R-GAw1lLWJA&t=3s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BkX46VsOs0A

Norman Alexander · 7th February 2023, 04:47 PM

Originally Posted by arayder

If you watch Klingenstein's YouTubes* you can see that he loves Trump, backs up the stolen election claim and piles on a ton of Trumpian vitriol.

He calls progressives "woke communists" and says their goal and that of the Democratic Party is to destroy America. He touches all the anti-woke, hate-the-Dems bases. He says the "woke" want white men to feel bad about themselves (amateur psychologists might ask him what it is he feels bad about?).

The guy's just over the top!

*
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R-GAw1lLWJA&t=3s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BkX46VsOs0A

Bat-**** crazy.

grunion · 7th February 2023, 06:47 PM

Source material for Tucker methinks.

Gulliver Foyle · 8th February 2023, 04:36 AM

Originally Posted by arayder

Klingenstein runs the trick of picking out the most progressive, leftist Democrats and then pretending they run the whole party with an iron fist. Dems sometime pull the same trick by pointing out a stupid, bigoted, fat bellied congressman and saying, "See what the Republicans are. . .".

In this way Klingenstein is in effect a conspiracy theorist.

They wouldn't have to single anybody out. They could take a group shot of all republicans and caption it, "every day that these people sit here in Washington, they commit treason against your country and everything you hold dear". And only one of the group, or at most two, would have sufficient grounds for a libel suit.

catsmate · 8th February 2023, 06:13 AM

Originally Posted by dudalb

Just visited his homepage.
A load of total BS.
He is, of course, a die hard Trump supporter.

Hardly a surporise, the Claremont Institute were part of the Trump framework.

Crazy Chainsaw · 8th February 2023, 06:23 AM

Originally Posted by Gulliver Foyle

They wouldn't have to single anybody out. They could take a group shot of all republicans and caption it, "every day that these people sit here in Washington, they commit treason against your country and everything you hold dear". And only one of the group, or at most two, would have sufficient grounds for a libel suit.

This idiot Christian Facist war started Years ago, they are as motivated by Religion as the Taliban. Been trying to tell people that for years but no one listens.

dudalb · 8th February 2023, 01:49 PM

Originally Posted by Crazy Chainsaw

This idiot Christian Facist war started Years ago, they are as motivated by Religion as the Taliban. Been trying to tell people that for years but no one listens.

It's the 'It Can't Happen Here mentality.
The Hell it Can't.

ponderingturtle · 8th February 2023, 02:26 PM

Originally Posted by Crazy Chainsaw

This idiot Christian Facist war started Years ago, they are as motivated by Religion as the Taliban. Been trying to tell people that for years but no one listens.

I just hope when the make it a white Christian nation that knows a ginny isn't white and a papist isn't a christian.

Crazy Chainsaw · 8th February 2023, 11:41 PM

Originally Posted by dudalb

It's the 'It Can't Happen Here mentality.
The Hell it Can't.

It's already been happening here for decades, they view Vladimir Putin as a strong Man Ally when actually he has been feeding most of the Idiot Propaganda and conspiracy theories dividing us.

Crazy Chainsaw · 8th February 2023, 11:42 PM

Originally Posted by ponderingturtle

I just hope when the make it a white Christian nation that knows a ginny isn't white and a papist isn't a christian.

Don't count on them having any brain cells.

slyjoe · 9th February 2023, 08:10 AM

What's the opposite of "woke"? I haven't heard a good rejoinder yet - "You think I'm woke well I think you are ...".

Asleep? Dead? Zombified?

TragicMonkey · 9th February 2023, 08:17 AM

Originally Posted by slyjoe

What's the opposite of "woke"? I haven't heard a good rejoinder yet - "You think I'm woke well I think you are ...".

Asleep? Dead? Zombified?

Complacent.

Crazy Chainsaw · 9th February 2023, 09:07 AM

Originally Posted by slyjoe

What's the opposite of "woke"? I haven't heard a good rejoinder yet - "You think I'm woke well I think you are ...".

Asleep? Dead? Zombified?

Corpse, or Zombie.
Depending on the Amount of Animation.

Donal · 9th February 2023, 10:18 AM

...ok...? There doesn't seem to be anything new here. It's the same nonsense the uncle you try to avoid at family events keeps posting on Facebook. Who is the author and why do we care he specifically is posting this?

JoeMorgue · 9th February 2023, 10:22 AM

I love how we're having this discussion as if the Right having to define "Woke" in court and it going... badly didn't already happen.

How many times does the Right get the benefit of the doubt AFTER they've already said the quiet part out loud?

Donal · 9th February 2023, 10:48 AM

It's because every news outlet thinks they are ESPN, so our entire political discourse comes down to Team A vs Team B. And like the laughably lopsided SuperBowls in the 1990s, they have to twist themselves into pretzels to convince us that both sides are equal so we will keep a rooting interest.

autumn1971 · 9th February 2023, 10:48 AM

Originally Posted by TheGoldcountry

In 1865, the Union won the Civil War, and America was finally perfect.

The vast majority of republicans in the US disagree with both portions of that sentence, and for contradictory reasons.

The US merely illegally subjugated the true hero’s of America.
Also, the US winning has caused all the problems we have now with uppity minorities wanting rights.

Nosi · 9th February 2023, 10:49 AM

Originally Posted by arayder

My guess is that if we looked into it we'd see that Fonte and Klingenstein have been carrying the anti-affirmative action torch for decades and have simply reworked the "liberals are commies" argument into something that resonates with the anti-woke argument that is all the rage in some circles now-a-days.

Actually, this problem goes a lot further and darker than "liberals are commies". The Q Republicans believe that certain groups of people need to be rounded up into camps and done away with, AKA Auschwitz. Those groups, in the more extreme Q Republican's minds, include anyone not Cis and male, although females have a use as breeding livestock.

Nosi · 9th February 2023, 10:52 AM

Originally Posted by Tero

I told them once the great replacement theory is true. All of us will be replaced by people not born yet. They did not get it.

Of course not. Most Q Republicans don't have two brain cells to rub together. The Q Crowd is mostly morons, with a small handful of brains calling the shots.

Nosi · 9th February 2023, 10:55 AM

Originally Posted by dann

Didn't the founders own slaves?!

Yes. Slavery was a thriving institution long before the nation we call the USA was a thing.

Nosi · 9th February 2023, 10:58 AM

Originally Posted by TheGoldcountry

In 1865, the Union won the Civil War, and America was finally perfect.

Hardly. Jim Crow was formed after the Civil War. We still have race relations problems, and what's going on now with the Q Tards is reactive largely to Obama's presidency that was groundbreaking.

7th February 2023, 12:05 AM	#1
arayder Illuminator Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 3,362	The right goes to war against "the woke" https://tomklingenstein.com/woke-rev...2CrrIbyVSUpgNc Quote: "America is in the middle of a Cold Civil War between woke revolutionaries—who believe America is and has always been systemically racist (evil), so that it must be deconstructed, de-legitimized (i.e., destroyed)—and those who believe that America is good, that its principles are the greatest antidote to racism ever created, and that preserving America and its principles is the highest and most urgent political calling. Let’s call these patriots “Americanists." Comments welcomed.
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7th February 2023, 12:41 AM	#3
arayder Illuminator Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 3,362	Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger What a pile of crap! Basically the guy is saying all the alt-right fear mongering is true even though it's 100% BS. There's nothing to debate. My guess is that if we looked into it we'd see that Fonte and Klingenstein have been carrying the anti-affirmative action torch for decades and have simply reworked the "liberals are commies" argument into something that resonates with the anti-woke argument that is all the rage in some circles now-a-days.
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7th February 2023, 06:10 AM	#4
Gulliver Foyle Graduate Poster Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: Cork baaaiii Posts: 1,266	Originally Posted by arayder https://tomklingenstein.com/woke-rev...2CrrIbyVSUpgNc Comments welcomed. He's not too far off. There's two groups in the US, the reality based community and republicans. And because of the actions of authoritarians like Tommy boy, a second civil war is increasingly likely. PS had a scan through the article and what the crybaby is accusing the "left" of doing is what the party of treason, his party, are actually doing. Never has the rule of law been so jeopardised by such a whiny bunch of whingers.
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7th February 2023, 07:58 AM	#5
arayder Illuminator Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 3,362	Originally Posted by Gulliver Foyle He's not too far off. There's two groups in the US, the reality based community and republicans. And because of the actions of authoritarians like Tommy boy, a second civil war is increasingly likely. PS had a scan through the article and what the crybaby is accusing the "left" of doing is what the party of treason, his party, are actually doing. Never has the rule of law been so jeopardised by such a whiny bunch of whingers. Klingenstein runs the trick of picking out the most progressive, leftist Democrats and then pretending they run the whole party with an iron fist. Dems sometime pull the same trick by pointing out a stupid, bigoted, fat bellied congressman and saying, "See what the Republicans are. . .". In this way Klingenstein is in effect a conspiracy theorist.
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7th February 2023, 09:35 AM	#6
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7th February 2023, 12:29 AM	#2
Skeptic Ginger Nasty Woman Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 93,335	What a pile of crap! Basically the guy is saying all the alt-right fear mongering is true even though it's 100% BS. There's nothing to debate.

7th February 2023, 10:04 AM	#7
wareyin Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Oct 2013 Location: Georgia, USA Posts: 11,305	Originally Posted by arayder Klingenstein runs the trick of picking out the most progressive, leftist Democrats and then pretending they run the whole party with an iron fist. Dems sometime pull the same trick by pointing out a stupid, bigoted, fat bellied congressman and saying, "See what the Republicans are. . .". In this way Klingenstein is in effect a conspiracy theorist. Yeah, Klingenstein trotting out the most fringe, anonymous, powerless persona he could find online and saying that's the Democrat's plan is totally the same as when Democrats point out what actual Republican Congressmen are doing with their congressional power is what the Republican Party is doing...

7th February 2023, 10:13 AM	#8
grunion Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 10,154	It's all about white guys getting their hackles up about women requiring consent and dickwads being called out for racist jokes and comments.
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7th February 2023, 10:22 AM	#9
Beelzebuddy Philosopher Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 9,319	Originally Posted by arayder Comments welcomed. Who is this choad any why does this mean anything different from the last hundred times the far right has declared fatwa?
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7th February 2023, 10:27 AM	#10
arayder Illuminator Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 3,362	Originally Posted by Beelzebuddy Who is this choad any why does this mean anything different from the last hundred times the far right has declared fatwa? This time they have jumped on the anti-woke bandwagon. It's worth pointing out the some folks on that wagon aren't nearly as fervent as Klingenstein.
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7th February 2023, 12:34 PM	#11
Mojo Mostly harmless Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Nor Flanden Posts: 36,838	Originally Posted by arayder Dems sometime pull the same trick by pointing out a stupid, bigoted, fat bellied congressman and saying, "See what the Republicans are. . .". I don't think he's ever been a congressman.
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7th February 2023, 02:27 PM	#12
Stacyhs Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: United States Posts: 29,300	Originally Posted by arayder https://tomklingenstein.com/woke-rev...2CrrIbyVSUpgNc Quote: "America is in the middle of a Cold Civil War between woke revolutionaries—who believe America is and has always been systemically racist (evil), so that it must be deconstructed, de-legitimized (i.e., destroyed)—and those who believe that America is good, that its principles are the greatest antidote to racism ever created, and that preserving America and its principles is the highest and most urgent political calling. Let’s call these patriots “Americanists." Comments welcomed. I guess that's one way to look at it...if you're delusional. I suspect people who cannot... or refuse to... see that this country has always had and still has a racism problem are in denial because they are either consciously or subconsciously racists themselves. Or, they are just incredibly stupid or live in a bubble. "...[America's] principles are the greatest antidote to racism ever created" Then explain how slavery existed from America's founding to the end of the Civil War, how Jim Crow laws existed until 1968, and why people of color continue to be disproportionately imprisoned and living in poverty. That "antidote" doesn't seem to be very effective. "preserving America and its principles is the highest and most urgent political calling. Let’s call these patriots 'Americanists'." We certainly can't call them 'Republicans' considering the last few years.

7th February 2023, 02:38 PM	#13
Horatius NWO Kitty Wrangler Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 29,673	Originally Posted by Stacyhs "...[America's] principles are the greatest antidote to racism ever created" Then explain how slavery existed from America's founding to the end of the Civil War, how Jim Crow laws existed until 1968, and why people of color continue to be disproportionately imprisoned and living in poverty. That "antidote" doesn't seem to be very effective. I was going to point that out as an example of an assertion that is both true and false at the same time. In principle, the ideals underlying the US really are a great antidote to racism. The problem is, in practice, the US has consistently failed to live up to the principles upon which it believes it was founded. As with all "antidotes", you actually need to take the antidote for it to work. There's no point in having the best antidote in the world, if you're content to just let everyone die of poisoning, anyways.
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7th February 2023, 03:05 PM	#14
dann Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 17,336	Didn't the founders own slaves?!
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7th February 2023, 03:11 PM	#15
Stacyhs Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: United States Posts: 29,300	Originally Posted by Horatius I was going to point that out as an example of an assertion that is both true and false at the same time. In principle, the ideals underlying the US really are a great antidote to racism. The problem is, in practice, the US has consistently failed to live up to the principles upon which it believes it was founded. As with all "antidotes", you actually need to take the antidote for it to work. There's no point in having the best antidote in the world, if you're content to just let everyone die of poisoning, anyways. I agree. Principles are an ideal seldom lived up to in practice. However, that doesn't mean we have to give up striving to achieve them.

7th February 2023, 03:49 PM	#16
mgidm86 Philosopher Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 8,624	I got as far as Quote: "Indiana congressman Jim Banks recently announced the formation of an anti-woke caucus. Good." No need to read further, just another ******* creating an enemy so everybody can watch him attack it. Why should I care what this guy thinks, they all think this way. I skimmed it for 20 seconds and he's an ignorant fool. Quote: The Claremont Institute is a conservative think tank Laughing dog here. This guy is their chairman. A real thinker.
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7th February 2023, 03:59 PM	#17
TheGoldcountry Philosopher Join Date: Feb 2011 Posts: 7,541	Originally Posted by dann Didn't the founders own slaves?! In 1865, the Union won the Civil War, and America was finally perfect.
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7th February 2023, 04:28 PM	#18
dudalb Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Sacramento Posts: 57,697	Just visited his homepage. A load of total BS. He is, of course, a die hard Trump supporter.
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7th February 2023, 04:31 PM	#19
Norman Alexander Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: Dharug & Gundungurra Posts: 14,168	When I discovered this Klingenstein twerp had made a Youtube on "The Virtues of Donald Trump" then I genuinely spat my coffee and laughed out loud. It's a satire website...surely!
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7th February 2023, 04:35 PM	#20
arayder Illuminator Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 3,362	Originally Posted by Horatius I was going to point that out as an example of an assertion that is both true and false at the same time. In principle, the ideals underlying the US really are a great antidote to racism. The problem is, in practice, the US has consistently failed to live up to the principles upon which it believes it was founded. As with all "antidotes", you actually need to take the antidote for it to work. There's no point in having the best antidote in the world, if you're content to just let everyone die of poisoning, anyways. Originally Posted by Norman Alexander When I discovered this Klingenstein twerp had made a Youtube on "The Virtues of Donald Trump" then I genuinely spat my coffee and laughed out loud. It's a satire website...surely! If you watch Klingenstein's YouTubes* you can see that he loves Trump, backs up the stolen election claim and piles on a ton of Trumpian vitriol. He calls progressives "woke communists" and says their goal and that of the Democratic Party is to destroy America. He touches all the anti-woke, hate-the-Dems bases. He says the "woke" want white men to feel bad about themselves (amateur psychologists might ask him what it is he feels bad about?). The guy's just over the top! * https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R-GAw1lLWJA&t=3s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BkX46VsOs0A
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7th February 2023, 04:47 PM	#21
Norman Alexander Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: Dharug & Gundungurra Posts: 14,168	Originally Posted by arayder If you watch Klingenstein's YouTubes* you can see that he loves Trump, backs up the stolen election claim and piles on a ton of Trumpian vitriol. He calls progressives "woke communists" and says their goal and that of the Democratic Party is to destroy America. He touches all the anti-woke, hate-the-Dems bases. He says the "woke" want white men to feel bad about themselves (amateur psychologists might ask him what it is he feels bad about?). The guy's just over the top! * https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R-GAw1lLWJA&t=3s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BkX46VsOs0A Bat-**** crazy.
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7th February 2023, 06:47 PM	#22
grunion Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 10,154	Source material for Tucker methinks.
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8th February 2023, 04:36 AM	#23
Gulliver Foyle Graduate Poster Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: Cork baaaiii Posts: 1,266	Originally Posted by arayder Klingenstein runs the trick of picking out the most progressive, leftist Democrats and then pretending they run the whole party with an iron fist. Dems sometime pull the same trick by pointing out a stupid, bigoted, fat bellied congressman and saying, "See what the Republicans are. . .". In this way Klingenstein is in effect a conspiracy theorist. They wouldn't have to single anybody out. They could take a group shot of all republicans and caption it, "every day that these people sit here in Washington, they commit treason against your country and everything you hold dear". And only one of the group, or at most two, would have sufficient grounds for a libel suit.

8th February 2023, 06:13 AM	#24
catsmate No longer the 1 Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 28,079	Originally Posted by dudalb Just visited his homepage. A load of total BS. He is, of course, a die hard Trump supporter. Hardly a surporise, the Claremont Institute were part of the Trump framework.
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8th February 2023, 06:23 AM	#25
Crazy Chainsaw Philosopher Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 7,276	Originally Posted by Gulliver Foyle They wouldn't have to single anybody out. They could take a group shot of all republicans and caption it, "every day that these people sit here in Washington, they commit treason against your country and everything you hold dear". And only one of the group, or at most two, would have sufficient grounds for a libel suit. This idiot Christian Facist war started Years ago, they are as motivated by Religion as the Taliban. Been trying to tell people that for years but no one listens.

8th February 2023, 01:49 PM	#26
dudalb Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Sacramento Posts: 57,697	Originally Posted by Crazy Chainsaw This idiot Christian Facist war started Years ago, they are as motivated by Religion as the Taliban. Been trying to tell people that for years but no one listens. It's the 'It Can't Happen Here mentality. The Hell it Can't.
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8th February 2023, 02:26 PM	#27
ponderingturtle Orthogonal Vector Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 52,943	Originally Posted by Crazy Chainsaw This idiot Christian Facist war started Years ago, they are as motivated by Religion as the Taliban. Been trying to tell people that for years but no one listens. I just hope when the make it a white Christian nation that knows a ginny isn't white and a papist isn't a christian.
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8th February 2023, 11:41 PM	#28
Crazy Chainsaw Philosopher Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 7,276	Originally Posted by dudalb It's the 'It Can't Happen Here mentality. The Hell it Can't. It's already been happening here for decades, they view Vladimir Putin as a strong Man Ally when actually he has been feeding most of the Idiot Propaganda and conspiracy theories dividing us.

8th February 2023, 11:42 PM	#29
Crazy Chainsaw Philosopher Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 7,276	Originally Posted by ponderingturtle I just hope when the make it a white Christian nation that knows a ginny isn't white and a papist isn't a christian. Don't count on them having any brain cells.

9th February 2023, 08:10 AM	#30
slyjoe Illuminator Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Near Harmonica Virgins, AZ Posts: 3,445	What's the opposite of "woke"? I haven't heard a good rejoinder yet - "You think I'm woke well I think you are ...". Asleep? Dead? Zombified?
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9th February 2023, 08:17 AM	#31
TragicMonkey Poisoned Waffles Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Monkey Posts: 65,246	Originally Posted by slyjoe What's the opposite of "woke"? I haven't heard a good rejoinder yet - "You think I'm woke well I think you are ...". Asleep? Dead? Zombified? Complacent.
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9th February 2023, 09:07 AM	#32
Crazy Chainsaw Philosopher Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 7,276	Originally Posted by slyjoe What's the opposite of "woke"? I haven't heard a good rejoinder yet - "You think I'm woke well I think you are ...". Asleep? Dead? Zombified? Corpse, or Zombie. Depending on the Amount of Animation.

9th February 2023, 10:18 AM	#33
Donal Philosopher Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 5,284	...ok...? There doesn't seem to be anything new here. It's the same nonsense the uncle you try to avoid at family events keeps posting on Facebook. Who is the author and why do we care he specifically is posting this?
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9th February 2023, 10:22 AM	#34
JoeMorgue Self Employed Remittance Man Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Florida Posts: 42,960	I love how we're having this discussion as if the Right having to define "Woke" in court and it going... badly didn't already happen. How many times does the Right get the benefit of the doubt AFTER they've already said the quiet part out loud?
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9th February 2023, 10:48 AM	#35
Donal Philosopher Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 5,284	It's because every news outlet thinks they are ESPN, so our entire political discourse comes down to Team A vs Team B. And like the laughably lopsided SuperBowls in the 1990s, they have to twist themselves into pretzels to convince us that both sides are equal so we will keep a rooting interest.
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