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Old 1st October 2020, 12:33 PM   #41
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Originally Posted by rockinkt View Post
Why are people surprised that the Irish are idiots? They spend a great deal of their time proving that they are.
I don't think there's anything idiotic about having a strict legal definition of "bread", or about determining that certain bread products don't meet that definition.

I also don't think there's anything idiotic about the specific definition the Irish have settled on.

Unless you mean the Irish are idiots for eating Subway? I also disagree with that, but I get that opinions on the matter differ.
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Old 1st October 2020, 12:35 PM   #42
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Originally Posted by The Don View Post
IMO it's bread in the same way that Kraft slices are cheese.



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This is one of the worst sets of possible arguments. Let's break it down.

"The ingredient is commonly used in the manufacture of yoga mats and carpet underlay"

Why is this bad? because it applies equally to water:

"[Water] is commonly used in the manufacture of yoga mats and carpet underlay"

Does that mean we should ban water in foods? No. It's a pure appeal to shock factor, and should have no place in making policy.

The next part is barely better:
"and has been banned by the European Union and Australia from use in food products."

That's great, but why was it banned? Was it to protect their internal competitive products? Was it to lock in the anti-chemical vote? Was it accidentally moved from a list of allowed products to a list of banned ones because of a misplaced comma?

It may have been banned for good reasons. But, if that were the case, then those reasons could be directly stated now, rather than relying on "well, a few other people are doing it". That they didn't articulate the reasons directly leaves the reader to wonder if this is as meaningful as the "Contains substances known to the State of California to cause cancer" on everything that includes even potential microscopic amounts of a chemical that produced a possible cancerous reaction in one test in the 70s.
Lets look at the science shall we?
Potassium bromate: oxidiser that helps bread rise; linked to kidney and thyroid cancers in rodents.
Banned in the EU, China, India and Brazil but ot the USA.

Azodicarbonamide: forms bubbles in foams, used to bleach and leaven dough; linked to asthma in workers exposed to the chemical while manufacturing plastics.
The byproducts of it's heating are semicarbazide (shown to be toxic in animals) and urethane ("reasonably anticipated" to be a human carcinogen).
Banned in the EU.

Butylated hydroxyanisole (BHA) and butylated hydroxytoluene (BHT) are used as emulsifiers keep to fats and oils from spoiling. BHA (according to the International Agency for Research on Cancer) causes tumors in lab animals; there is more limited evidence for the same in BHT.

Potassium iodate: a substitute for the bromate. Not well tested, ay also pose a small cancer risk. Also a contributor to excessive iodine intake, which can be harmful.”
The WHO has recommended against adding potassium iodate to flour since 1965; the practice is still common in the USA.
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Old 1st October 2020, 12:36 PM   #43
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Originally Posted by theprestige View Post
What's the point of the experiment?
To prove that some people have no sense of humor but are instead crabby bunnies.
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Old 1st October 2020, 12:38 PM   #44
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Originally Posted by TragicMonkey View Post
To prove that some people have no sense of humor but are instead crabby bunnies.
Maybe some people just have a sense of humor orthogonal to yours. Maybe what you interpret as a destructive blast of contempt is just Paul Hollywood cracking a joke.
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Originally Posted by theprestige View Post
Maybe some people just have a sense of humor orthogonal to yours. Maybe what you interpret as a destructive blast of contempt is just Paul Hollywood cracking a joke.
Perhaps Paul Hollywood is blazing a trail of contrarian bickering all over the place today because his usual outlet for that was politics, but his favored horse is in a state of accelerating foamy-mouthed collapse rendering even he incapable of mustering up anything to say. That's my theory, about Paul Hollywood.
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Originally Posted by Darat View Post
You would have thought they could reformulate their recipes, wonder if they are using the sugar as a preservative?
Not sure it would need preservatives. The loaves are baked daily in the stores, but shipped to them frozen.
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Old 1st October 2020, 12:57 PM   #47
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Who here eats at Subway? Can they attest to how the bread tastes? I don't like Subway but I have had it a few times, I don't remember finding the bread at all sweet. I remember the bread being a bit tough, but not sweet. Do they always put sugar in it, or was it just Ireland?
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I'm not sure about "should", but "[a] dough conditioner, flour treatment agent, improving agent or bread improver is any ingredient or chemical added to bread dough to strengthen its texture or otherwise improve it in some way. Dough conditioners may include enzymes, yeast nutrients, mineral salts, oxidants and reductants, bleaching agents and emulsifiers. They are food additives combined with flour to improve baking functionality."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dough_conditioner

So basically it's added to the process in order to make bread faster, or cheaper, or in larger quantities, or some combination. Should we be making bread faster, cheaper, and in larger quantities? Maybe not. But there are seven billion people on this planet, and we all need to get food in our bellies. Being able to produce lots of food at low cost seems like it's going to have a lot of benefits to society.

Increasing production costs in the name of reducing health risks is not necessarily a bad idea. But it does have some obvious trade-offs that can't be addressed by simply appealing to "reduced health risks!" without examining the actual risk, the actual reduction, and the actual trade-offs.

Why do you post a link about "dough conditioner" in general when you know the specific chemical that was used in this case? Does that particular chemical seem to help "get food in our bellies"? Or does it merely benefit stockholders? What exactly are the "benefits to society" from exposing real human beings (instead of yoga mats) to azodicarbonamide?
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Old 1st October 2020, 01:07 PM   #49
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Originally Posted by TragicMonkey View Post
Who here eats at Subway? Can they attest to how the bread tastes? I don't like Subway but I have had it a few times, I don't remember finding the bread at all sweet. I remember the bread being a bit tough, but not sweet. Do they always put sugar in it, or was it just Ireland?

I had a sandwich at Subway last year, but that was in Germany, so it probably didn't contain azodicarbonamide or excessive amounts of sugar. I didn't find the bread particularly sweet and I might go back the next time I'm in Germany.
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Originally Posted by TragicMonkey View Post
Who here eats at Subway? Can they attest to how the bread tastes? I don't like Subway but I have had it a few times, I don't remember finding the bread at all sweet. I remember the bread being a bit tough, but not sweet. Do they always put sugar in it, or was it just Ireland?
I doubt there's much variation in bread between different countries, probably a lot of regional variation in fillings.

I didn't notice sweetness either, it's just not good. Every other chain sandwich shop I've tried has better food and ingredients.
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Old 1st October 2020, 01:35 PM   #51
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Originally Posted by TragicMonkey View Post
Who here eats at Subway? Can they attest to how the bread tastes? I don't like Subway but I have had it a few times, I don't remember finding the bread at all sweet. I remember the bread being a bit tough, but not sweet. Do they always put sugar in it, or was it just Ireland?
It's been ages, but my memory of the experience is the same as yours. I was going to chalk it up to being accustomed to American bread in general, but that doesn't really explain it. I eat a lot of different bread, including "strict recipe" bread from local bakeries, and homemade bread that is literally literally just flour, water, and yeast. And I never find myself thinking, "this bread isn't as sweet as I'd expect."

I wonder if it's a "four times almost nothing is still almost nothing" type scenario. Like how a massive increase over normal background radiation is still an infinitesimal increase in risk of radiation damage to living tissue.
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Why do you post a link about "dough conditioner" in general when you know the specific chemical that was used in this case? Does that particular chemical seem to help "get food in our bellies"? Or does it merely benefit stockholders? What exactly are the "benefits to society" from exposing real human beings (instead of yoga mats) to azodicarbonamide?
Azodicarbomide is a dough conditioner.

I don't get the yoga mat argument. Yoga mats also expose real human beings to azodicarbomide. What's the problem?
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Old 1st October 2020, 01:40 PM   #53
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Who here eats at Subway? Can they attest to how the bread tastes? I don't like Subway but I have had it a few times, I don't remember finding the bread at all sweet. I remember the bread being a bit tough, but not sweet. Do they always put sugar in it, or was it just Ireland?
I went into Subway once and ordered their breakfast baguette. They then started to unpack flat squares of what was meant to be egg, bacon and sausage. It was revolting.

The bread didn't strike me as sweet though.
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Why are people surprised that the Irish are idiots? They spend a great deal of their time proving that they are.
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Originally Posted by TragicMonkey View Post
Who here eats at Subway? Can they attest to how the bread tastes? I don't like Subway but I have had it a few times, I don't remember finding the bread at all sweet. I remember the bread being a bit tough, but not sweet. Do they always put sugar in it, or was it just Ireland?
I used to eat there regularly when it was the only food within walking distance of my office, but that was twenty years ago and I think it has only been once or twice since then. I remember their wheat bread being a bit sweet, but that was so overwhelmed by the sad state of their lettuce that it wasn't such a big deal.

What I find odd is that just about every place I have ever lived had a local sandwich shop that was better than Subway. And yet Subway persists. Their supply chains must be so cheap.
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Originally Posted by TragicMonkey View Post
Who here eats at Subway? Can they attest to how the bread tastes? I don't like Subway but I have had it a few times, I don't remember finding the bread at all sweet. I remember the bread being a bit tough, but not sweet. Do they always put sugar in it, or was it just Ireland?
It must be twenty years, did they exist back then? There are always better alternatives to their crap.
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It must be twenty years, did they exist back then? There are always better alternatives to their crap.
Yep, it's been around for a while. When I was in college back in the 90s they opened a little Subway on campus, in the student center. It didn't do too well, being in direct competition with the regular cafeteria (which was itself awful, of course, but we'd all already paid for our meals there in advance) so it went away, saying the location was impossible...and then a Chick-fil-a moved in and did crazy good business. This is America, anything fried is going to beat anything not-fried, that's just basic sense.
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I think I just hit peak everything. I'm ready to give up my human citizenship.


The fast food snobbery gets unbearable at times. If you don't like it, don't eat it. Christ. It's not a human rights violation.
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I think I just hit peak everything. I'm ready to give up my human citizenship.
It ain't all bad! Netflix got The Parkers today!
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Well I for one am impressed it was sugar and not high fructose corn syrup.
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It's not a human rights violation.
Well, actually...I didn't read it, but I did just see an article headline about Subway and labor law violations.
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Azodicarbomide is a dough conditioner.

I don't get the yoga mat argument. Yoga mats also expose real human beings to azodicarbomide. What's the problem?
I haven't looked up thermal stability data, but I wouldn't be surprised if there weren't much of any azodicarbonamide left after baking. Azo compounds aren't the most thermally stable things (too easy to make nitrogen), so heating to 200C for 15 minutes is going to break it down. Granted, that's kind of the point, because that's what makes a heat activated oxidizer.

I could be wrong, but I think I'd want to see evidence on how much is left at the end before worrying about it being added.
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I used to eat there regularly when it was the only food within walking distance of my office, but that was twenty years ago and I think it has only been once or twice since then. I remember their wheat bread being a bit sweet, but that was so overwhelmed by the sad state of their lettuce that it wasn't such a big deal.

What I find odd is that just about every place I have ever lived had a local sandwich shop that was better than Subway. And yet Subway persists. Their supply chains must be so cheap.
There's even one here in Priusville!
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I occasionally eat at Subway.

The bread doesn't seem any sweeter than the competition. Probably less so. Of course they offer several different bread choices and I haven't tried them all.

I know one regional Italian restaurant whose bread contains a ton of sugar. A recipe that makes 6 loaves uses 1.25 cups of sugar.

The recipe is here: https://www.food.com/recipe/avantis-bread-22811

What I like about subway is that I get to choose what's on my sandwich to a larger extent than other restaurants. I used to eat there a lot when I was dieting about ten years ago. (No my name's not Jared, and I'm not writing from prison.) IT wasn't a "Subway diet" but I did lose about 50 lbs in about 9 months.
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I wonder what Ireland has to say about King's Hawaiian.
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Subways always smell funny to me. I'd rather skip a meal than eat there.
The smell disgusting. I think the warning bread smell is supposed to be enticing but it doesn't smell like bread.
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This is a little silly. Subway's bread is very obviously bread. It contains the same ingredients, is baked in ovens, and has the form and texture that's unique to bread compared to other foods.
It stinks. Literally.
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It stinks. Literally.
So does cheese and boiling cabbage. So what?
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Well I for one am impressed it was sugar and not high fructose corn syrup.
Heh.
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I never thought the (9-grain) bread at Subway tasted sweet either, and I'm disappointed as I did fall for their image as a healthier fast food alternative, though I didn't eat there all that often.

This is why we need food purity laws. When I first moved to the US 40+ years ago, I thought US Wonderbread slices with Velveeta were just disgusting. After a few weeks I was acclimated to those levels of sugar, salt, and fat and ate it without complaint. It's addictive, unhealthy, and completely unnecessary as your palate quickly adjusts to much lower levels and it'll taste just as good.
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I personally like Subway breads. They taste fresh and they have about 6 varieties.

However, I often draw the line at the meat choices. Instead, I get a sandwich with all the veggies piled high (saves an incredible amount of time for me), and hold the dressing, then take it home and add good quality meat and cheese from quality deli sources (Boar's Head brand, for example). For $6 plus the cost of the meat and my own dressing, I get enough for two sandwiches, and very tasty ones.
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This is why we need food purity laws.
Food snobbery laws. I disagree that food should be outlawed or restricted based on what gourmets subjectively consider too "gross" for consumption.
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Old 1st October 2020, 03:33 PM   #74
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Originally Posted by theprestige View Post
I wonder what Ireland has to say about King's Hawaiian.
Or Jimmy Johns

Theirs is noticeably sweet, but they don't offer wheat, which is what I get in my infrequent trips to the ptomaine stop.
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Originally Posted by theprestige View Post
I wonder what Ireland has to say about King's Hawaiian.
We bought a loaf of Hawaiian bread at the flea market outside of Alohs Stadium. It didn't make it back to the mainland
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We bought a loaf of Hawaiian bread at the flea market outside of Alohs Stadium. It didn't make it back to the mainland
King's Hawaiian also make savory rolls which are good for sliders.
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Originally Posted by Butter! View Post
I think I just hit peak everything. I'm ready to give up my human citizenship.


The fast food snobbery gets unbearable at times. If you don't like it, don't eat it. Christ. It's not a human rights violation.
Why would a thread about Subway make you want to "give up your human citizenship"?

Personally, I don't think it's about snobbery, fast food can be good if done right. Subway, IMO, doesn't do it right. It's crap.

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Originally Posted by TragicMonkey View Post
Who here eats at Subway? Can they attest to how the bread tastes? I don't like Subway but I have had it a few times, I don't remember finding the bread at all sweet. I remember the bread being a bit tough, but not sweet. Do they always put sugar in it, or was it just Ireland?
I've had a few sandwiches since SF shutdown in march. At first it was only subway and McD's that remained open near my work, so very limited choices up until recently. I always order Italian herb & cheese and load it up with veggies and condiments. If there's a ton of sugar in the bread, I would never notice.
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Originally Posted by theprestige View Post
I don't think there's anything idiotic about having a strict legal definition of "bread", or about determining that certain bread products don't meet that definition.

I also don't think there's anything idiotic about the specific definition the Irish have settled on.

Unless you mean the Irish are idiots for eating Subway? I also disagree with that, but I get that opinions on the matter differ.
It is a tax decision - not a decision on quality or value.
A strictly arbitrary number was assigned regarding the proportion of sugar to flour in order to obtain tax dollars and penalize people for wanting something more suitable to their particular individual palate.
That is stupid.
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Old 2nd October 2020, 12:19 AM   #80
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Originally Posted by Checkmite View Post
Food snobbery laws. I disagree that food should be outlawed or restricted based on what gourmets subjectively consider too "gross" for consumption.
Well said!

Besides - this ruling had nothing whatsoever to do with quality, taste, or health.
It was tax ruling based on a strictly arbitrary number of the percentage of sugar and floor in the dough. To be called "bread" it must meet the requirement that “fat, sugar and bread improver, subject to the limitation that the weight of any ingredient specified in this subclause shall not exceed 2 per cent of the weight of flour included in the dough.”
In other words if there is 100 pounds of flour there can only be 2 pounds of sugar in the dough or it is not a staple called "bread" and it can be taxed to the highest level available.
Tax gouge. Pure and simple.
Stupid is as stupid does.
Stupid Irish.
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