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Old 7th November 2022, 08:33 AM   #441
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Originally Posted by Chris_Halkides View Post
I am not exactly disagreeing with you, but the existence of a video recording was not immediately known.
But that's not a case of any facts changing, it is a case of "more facts coming to bear"

And they are all consistent with the previously known facts.
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Old 7th November 2022, 10:10 AM   #442
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Originally Posted by pgwenthold View Post
But that's not a case of any facts changing, it is a case of "more facts coming to bear"

And they are all consistent with the previously known facts.
In comment #437 I pointed out that some early reporting was incorrect. It is easy to see from the description in WaPo how there could have been a misapprehension about who originally had the hammer. What is less clear is how Miguel Almaguer got the story so wrong. See for example The Wrap. Was his anonymous source merely mistaken or was he or she spreading disinformation? Why didn't Mr. Almaguer detect what the WaPo and the Wrap said were discrepancies between his story versus other information?

A couple of people have focused on my riffing on a quote from Paul Samuelson: "When the facts change, I change my mind. What do you do?" My implied point was that it is OK by me when people make an inference from erroneous reporting. It is not OK by me when they stick to their original inference after the reporting is later corrected. It is definitely not OK by me when an opinion maker such as Dinesh D'Souza becomes an agent provocateur.
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Old 8th November 2022, 02:06 AM   #443
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It looks like a handy way to equate Hillary with Qanon without liability.
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Old 8th November 2022, 03:07 AM   #444
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Trump supporters share their ideas about the attack on Paul Pelosi. Fasten your seatbelts; it's crazy ride! And I do mean craaaaaaazeeeeeee.

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DePape in the ring

I like the idea of DePape as a pro wrestler, maybe with a hammer as a prop and Desperado Dave as a ring name. More seriously, the notion that the conflict was staged doesn't work, unless one believes that the medical facility at which Mr. Pelosi was treated was in on the conspiracy.
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Old 8th November 2022, 07:18 AM   #446
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I like the idea of DePape as a pro wrestler, maybe with a hammer as a prop and Desperado Dave as a ring name. More seriously, the notion that the conflict was staged doesn't work, unless one believes that the medical facility at which Mr. Pelosi was treated was in on the conspiracy.
Or maybe they were really committed to the role-play... Method actors all the way.

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Everyone who claims that there was something sexual about hammers in the Pelosi home invasion has to demonstrate how they think it was sexual -on camera.
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Originally Posted by Chris_Halkides View Post
I like the idea of DePape as a pro wrestler, maybe with a hammer as a prop and Desperado Dave as a ring name. More seriously, the notion that the conflict was staged doesn't work, unless one believes that the medical facility at which Mr. Pelosi was treated was in on the conspiracy.
The same medical facility probably provided treatment and even vaccines for Covid-19, proving it's part of the vast global conspiracy.
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Trump supporters share their ideas about the attack on Paul Pelosi. Fasten your seatbelts; it's crazy ride! And I do mean craaaaaaazeeeeeee.

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I could only make it about two minutes into that, just past Lindell.
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I could only make it about two minutes into that, just past Lindell.
Why do so many Trump rally attendees dress as if they're at a 4th of July parade?
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Why do so many Trump rally attendees dress as if they're at a 4th of July parade?
It's to demonstrate their love of an America that does not exist, will not exist, and never has existed. Also, half the population is below median intelligence.
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Indictment has more details, apparently

“In a subsequent search of DePape’s backpack, law enforcement found, among other things, a roll of tape, white rope, one hammer, and one pair of rubber and cloth gloves, and a journal,” the indictment said. Los Angeles Times.. The body of the story does not identify which details are new.
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Well gee whiz!

It sure is nice to see that there is at least one Republican in the nation who is not a completely disgusting POS.

In this case, Governor Youngkin apologized for the stupid comments that he made concerning the brutal attack made upon the husband of Nancy Pelosi.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/glenn-you...170412911.html

Glenn Youngkin Apologizes To Nancy Pelosi For Comments On Her Husband's Assault

Virginia Republican Gov. Glenn Youngkin privately sent a handwritten note to House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) apologizing for treating a violent attack on her husband as a political punchline, a Pelosi spokesperson tells HuffPost.

“The apology has been accepted,” her spokesperson said Tuesday.

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“My full intention on my comments was to categorically state that violence and the kind of violence that was perpetrated against Speaker Pelosi’s husband is not just unacceptable, it’s atrocious. And I didn’t do a great job with that,” said the governor. “And so listen, it was a personal note and it was one between me and the speaker, just to reflect those sentiments.”

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“Speaker Pelosi’s husband, they had a break-in last night in their house, he was assaulted. There’s no room for violence anywhere, but we’re going to send her back to be with him in California,” Youngkin said as the crowd cheered. “That’s what we’re going to go do.”

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“At the end of the day, I really wanted to express the fact that what happened to Speaker Pelosi’s husband was atrocious,” Youngkin told a Punchbowl News reporter on Nov. 1. “And I didn’t do a great job.”

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Youngkin's hedging his bets. He can't be governor of Virginia again, yet, we have a one term (in a row) limit here. He'll be trying for some other office. Hopefully in some other state!
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The New York Post reported, "An NBC “Today” show correspondent [Miguel Almaguer] has been suspended as the network conducts an investigation into his now-retracted story about the attack on Paul Pelosi." Previously I wondered how he got the story so wrong.
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The New York Post reported, "An NBC “Today” show correspondent [Miguel Almaguer] has been suspended as the network conducts an investigation into his now-retracted story about the attack on Paul Pelosi." Previously I wondered how he got the story so wrong.
He should be proud, his story will live on in eternity - cited forever and ever by all the CT nutheads who won't accept any correction or retraction of any story that fits their whackadoodle theories.
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Correcting right-wing lunacy is just cancel culture!
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Nancy Pelosi's decision not to seek a leadership position

Nancy Pelosi is stepping down. She had previously indicated that this incident would impact her decision.
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Nancy Pelosi is stepping down. She had previously indicated that this incident would impact her decision.
I was going to post yesterday that I wouldn't be surprised if Pelosi resigned or declared she wouldn't run again in 2024 She's 82; she's got to be tired and with her husband now having to recover from the attack, traveling back and forth from DC to San Fran has to be a lot for her. She's been great, a real ground breaker. But she's right: it's time to step away and let the next generation take over.
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Attempted killer appears at hearing, new evidence released.
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CNN — The man accused of attacking House Speaker Nancy Pelosi’s husband, Paul, said there was “evil in Washington” and had also planned to target President Joe Biden’s son Hunter, California Gov. Gavin Newsom and actor Tom Hanks, a San Francisco Police Department official testified Wednesday.
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DePape previously entered a not guilty plea to all state and federal charges. He faces charges on a litany of crimes, including assault, attempted murder and attempted kidnapping, following the break-in at the couple’s home, the US Attorney’s Office for the Northern District of California and the San Francisco district attorney announced last month. He was also charged with one count of “attempted kidnapping of a US official,” according to the US attorney’s office.
https://www.cnn.com/2022/12/14/polit...ial/index.html
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Attempted killer appears at hearing, new evidence released.

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CNN — The man accused of attacking House Speaker Nancy Pelosi’s husband, Paul, said there was [hilite]“evil in Washington” and had also planned to target President Joe Biden’s son Hunter, California Gov. Gavin Newsom and actor Tom Hanks, a San Francisco Police Department official testified Wednesday.
https://www.cnn.com/2022/12/14/polit...ial/index.html
Nah, his actions weren't influenced by right-wing hate rhetoric! Not at all.
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Nah, his actions weren't influenced by right-wing hate rhetoric! Not at all.
Nope not a bit of it, he was simply a mentally ill lone wolf whose delusions appeared from nowhere.
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Tom Hanks?

Forget it I don't need to know.
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Tom Hanks?

Forget it I don't need to know.
It's a Q thing. They claim TH was a regular on Epstein's Private jet so he's a pedo.
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It's a Q thing. They claim TH was a regular on Epstein's Private jet so he's a pedo.
Anyone on QAnon needs a mental evaluation.
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It's a Q thing. They claim TH was a regular on Epstein's Private jet so he's a pedo.

Well he did cross dress for awhile on TV so it only follows.

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And a diaper.

Laughed out loud thank you! Stacyhs got me earlier in another thread too. This stuff is so weird you gotta laugh sometimes. And see a shrink.
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The New York Post reported, "An NBC “Today” show correspondent [Miguel Almaguer] has been suspended as the network conducts an investigation into his now-retracted story about the attack on Paul Pelosi." Previously I wondered how he got the story so wrong.
The “wrong” part of Almaguer’s story appears to be the part where he suggests the pre-injury Paul Pelosi opened the door for police, did not rush out but walked back in towards the assailant. The DOJ documents say “The two officers opened the door…”. The San Francisco DA documents say “Mr Pelosi opened the door with his left hand…”.

Did the bodycam footage shown in court recently resolve this question?

NBC Bay Area report:
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Did the bodycam footage shown in court recently resolve this question?

NBC Bay Area report:
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Your own link says it does. The reporter who watched the video says it shows Pelosi opened the door.

Why does this matter?
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As far as I can tell, the attacks on Tom Hanks, Dr. Fauci, and some others are pure jealousy!
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Your own link says it does. The reporter who watched the video says it shows Pelosi opened the door.

Why does this matter?
I see some JAQing off.
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Police body cam video of the attack has been released.

https://twitter.com/davenewworld_2/s...21438882840577

Seems to disprove all the stupid crap the conservative media made up about it. It happened fast, Pelosi opened the door and seemed to be trying to get some control of the hammer. Pelosi didn't really seem to know what to say to the police, which seems understandable given that the attacker had apparently already warned him not so say anything and the attacker was obviously much stronger than Pelosi. The attacker was not in his underwear.

Again, it all happened very fast.

And I remain disgusted by anyone who would think this was the funniest thing ever - which was a great many American conservatives.
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Seems to disprove all the stupid crap the conservative media made up about it.
That was already disproven when conservative media said it.
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That was already disproven when conservative media said it.
True - absolutely.

But the video makes it easier to rub their faces in it.
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Like it will matter. They don't believe facts exist and they have no shame.

Like no joke, most Conservatives still believe their version of events.
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The video didn't even put a dent in the conservasphere. Go read the comments on Fox news.

"Why does Pelosi have a glass of whiskey? This proves beyond a doubt that it was a lovers quarrel!"

"Why is he talking so calm? Why didn't he run out of the door to the cops? Why isn't he screaming bloody murder?"

So on, and so on. As JoeMorgue has kind of alluded to, this didn't change anything. People that knew the lies were bull **** will continue to know that, and people who thought it was a CT, etc. will also continue to think that.

Props to the Pelosi for keeping his composure though. Lots of people would have freaked way out, me included.
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That's sort of the point I keep making.

Conservatives already know they are lying and don't care. Proving they are lying changes nothing.

Until them lying effects negatively, nothing will change.
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Originally Posted by crescent View Post
Police body cam video of the attack has been released.

https://twitter.com/davenewworld_2/s...21438882840577

Seems to disprove all the stupid crap the conservative media made up about it. It happened fast, Pelosi opened the door and seemed to be trying to get some control of the hammer. Pelosi didn't really seem to know what to say to the police, which seems understandable given that the attacker had apparently already warned him not so say anything and the attacker was obviously much stronger than Pelosi. The attacker was not in his underwear.
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The attacker also has one hand on Pelosi's arm and is holding the hammer. The first thing the cops say is "Drop the hammer!," at which point the guy starts pounding Pelosi. It happens in a couple seconds.
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