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Old 27th May 2010, 11:18 AM   #1
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Gays should be banned from the military because Hitler was a homosexual!

Bryan Fischer of the American Family Association explains that Hitler and the SS were all homosexuals, and that straight Germans were too virtuous to follow his orders:

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Old 27th May 2010, 11:21 AM   #2
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Originally Posted by ravdin View Post
Bryan Fischer of the American Family Association explains that Hitler and the SS were all homosexuals, and that straight Germans were too virtuous to follow his orders
Considering how few Germans refused to follow Hitler's orders, is Germany new Greece?

And if you take it at face value -- for all their brutality, SS were very effective soldiers. If anything, this is an argument FOR gays in the military.

This is too stupid for words.
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Old 27th May 2010, 12:07 PM   #3
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Originally Posted by ravdin View Post
Bryan Fischer of the American Family Association explains that Hitler and the SS were all homosexuals, and that straight Germans were too virtuous to follow his orders:

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Um, how could one who believed in eugenics possible endorse, let alone fill his ranks with, homosexuals?

The simple fact that 2 men ( and for the sake of being fair 2 women) cannot breed, pretty much makes a master race of just men a self defeating concept.
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Old 27th May 2010, 12:13 PM   #4
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Originally Posted by sadhatter View Post
Um, how could one who believed in eugenics possible endorse, let alone fill his ranks with, homosexuals?

The simple fact that 2 men ( and for the sake of being fair 2 women) cannot breed, pretty much makes a master race of just men a self defeating concept.
Not at all. Given that they had so much emphasis on breeding good aryan kids, and there is nothing stopping homosexuals from "lying back and thinking of Germany and sexy sexy Karl over there". There is nothing incomparable between homosexuality and eugenics. In some ways it might be simpler as you are differentiating pair bonding relationships from reproductive ones.

Then of course there is artificial insemination. The Nazi's certainly had turkey baster technology.

Of course it was the SA not the SS that had the core of homosexual leaders. That was one of the reasons they got purged.
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Old 27th May 2010, 12:15 PM   #5
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Originally Posted by ravdin View Post
Bryan Fischer of the American Family Association...
Observation: Many organizations with the word "Family" in the name seem to have little to do with families, but instead just hate gays.
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Old 27th May 2010, 12:16 PM   #6
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Originally Posted by jnelso99 View Post
Observation: Many organizations with the word "Family" in the name seem to have little to do with families, but instead just hate gays.
Rather like countries with words "People", "Republic" and "Democratic" in their names...
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Old 27th May 2010, 12:21 PM   #7
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Originally Posted by jnelso99 View Post
Observation: Many organizations with the word "Family" in the name seem to have little to do with families, but instead just hate gays.
Of course everyone knows

family ---> ~gay
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Old 28th May 2010, 05:12 AM   #8
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So, lemme get this straight, a bunch of flaming gay guys that formed the whole leadership of the NSDAP and SS made homosexuality a major criminal offense and used any accusation of homosexuality as a reason to fire and/or kill superior officers and SA leaders? Well, I guess looking at some of the fundie preachers in the USA, it would even make sense

But then I propose to also only allow certified alcoholics in the army, because Hitler was a teetotaller too. Plus Osama and the whole gang of islamist terrorists are against alcohol too. You don't want to give a gun to someone like _that_.
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Old 28th May 2010, 05:17 AM   #9
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Originally Posted by HansMustermann View Post
So, lemme get this straight, a bunch of flaming gay guys that formed the whole leadership of the NSDAP and SS made homosexuality a major criminal offense and used any accusation of homosexuality as a reason to fire and/or kill superior officers and SA leaders? Well, I guess looking at some of the fundie preachers in the USA, it would even make sense

But then I propose to also only allow certified alcoholics in the army, because Hitler was a teetotaller too. Plus Osama and the whole gang of islamist terrorists are against alcohol too. You don't want to give a gun to someone like _that_.
well i mean, after all, they folowed a black haired brown eyed austrian that preached something about real arians with blond hair and blue eyes......
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Old 28th May 2010, 05:56 AM   #10
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I think Maria ReiterWP would be a bit amused by the "Hitler was gay" angle. Or his concubine/wife Eva...
And then there is the purge of the SA during the Night of the Long Knifes.
All pretty good arguments that when people get even simple things wrong you may want to stop listening to them.
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Old 28th May 2010, 06:38 AM   #11
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Originally Posted by ravdin View Post
Bryan Fischer of the American Family Association explains that Hitler and the SS were all homosexuals, and that straight Germans were too virtuous to follow his orders:

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Well then, ...

I would have to say that Bryan Fischer is incredibly stupid or an incredible liar or both incredibly stupid and an incredible liar.

In any case, his statements are without merit.
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Old 28th May 2010, 06:56 AM   #12
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Originally Posted by sadhatter View Post
Um, how could one who believed in eugenics possible endorse, let alone fill his ranks with, homosexuals?

The simple fact that 2 men ( and for the sake of being fair 2 women) cannot breed, pretty much makes a master race of just men a self defeating concept.
Didn't you know cloning is a gay conspiracy?
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Old 28th May 2010, 07:17 AM   #13
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Rather like countries with words "People", "Republic" and "Democratic" in their names...
Like the French Republic?
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Originally Posted by Ryokan View Post
Like the French Republic?
I admit that "Republic" is sometimes used un-ironically. The other two, never.
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Old 29th May 2010, 07:20 AM   #15
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I admit that "Republic" is sometimes used un-ironically. The other two, never.
Just once I'd like someone to go the other way, and name their country with "Tyranny" or "Dictatorship" in it.
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Old 29th May 2010, 07:32 AM   #16
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Originally Posted by ravdin View Post
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Nope his buddy Ernst Julius Röhm was gay and leader of the SA, huh I wondered what happened to him?

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The date of June 30 marked the beginning of the Night of the Long Knives. At dawn on 30 June, Hitler flew to Munich and then drove to Bad Wiessee, where he personally arrested Röhm and the other SA leaders. All were imprisoned at Stadelheim Prison in Munich. From 30 June to 2 July 1934, the entire leadership of the SA was purged, along with many other political adversaries of the Nazis.

Hitler was uneasy authorizing Röhm's execution and gave Röhm an opportunity to commit suicide. On July 2, he was visited by SS-Brigadeführer Theodor Eicke (then Kommandant of the Dachau concentration camp) and SS-Obersturmbannführer Michael Lippert, who laid a pistol on the table, told Röhm he had ten minutes to use it and left. Röhm refused and stated "If I am to be killed, let Adolf do it himself."[8] Having heard nothing in the allotted time, Eicke and Lippert returned to Röhm's cell to find him standing. Röhm had his bare chest puffed out in a gesture of defiance as they shot him.[9] He was buried in the Westfriedhof (Western Cemetery) in Munich.
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I do not have enough faces or palms to properly express my opinion of that video.
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Ok... the leader of one of the most effective and successful militaries in the world was gay, therefore we shouldn't let gay people be in the military?
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Old 29th May 2010, 03:13 PM   #19
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I cannot imagine a gay military wearing brown dress uniforms.
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Well... three words: THIS IS SPARTA!
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