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Old 17th July 2019, 01:53 PM   #4241
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Originally Posted by RoboTimbo View Post
As you are the only proven hypocrite in this thread, I will accept your knowledge of what hypocrites do.
Everybody except a Saint don't want to pay for the work of neighbour including me and you fellows have to admit it or you are hypocrites but me i want to work for free of charge, i am fair, not yous, then you have to admit that you are unjust.
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Old 17th July 2019, 01:57 PM   #4242
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Originally Posted by Gaetan View Post
Everybody except a Saint don't want to pay for the work of neighbour including me and you fellows have to admit it or you are hypocrites but me i want to work for free of charge, i am fair, not yous, then you have to admit that you are unjust.
No, you have to admit that you don't want to work for free since you've already admitted that you work for money. There is only one hypocrite in this thread and it's you.
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Old 17th July 2019, 02:28 PM   #4243
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No, you have to admit that you don't want to work for free since you've already admitted that you work for money. There is only one hypocrite in this thread and it's you.
On black Friday people are fighting to get the cheapest price including you.
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Old 17th July 2019, 03:10 PM   #4244
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On black Friday people are fighting to get the cheapest price including you.
Wake up Gaetan. Plenty of people don't buy into the "Black Friday" nonsense.

All those people going insane over it are morons.

Personally, I earn enough that I don't have to consider it for anything.

When I bought my home, I fitted it out with the best of gear. For money. I didn't have to take loans for it either.

How did I get that money? I earned it. By working for money.

You are doing exactly the same. You have told us so.

If your system was implemented, you would not be posting here because there would be no internet anywhere. You would not have the things you want because they simply would not be available.
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Old 17th July 2019, 03:14 PM   #4245
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Originally Posted by Gaetan View Post
On black Friday people are fighting to get the cheapest price including you.
And again with making crap up. I don't do black Friday. Your credibility is already zero, why are you trying to make it a negative number?

How much does your employer overpay you?
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Old 17th July 2019, 03:18 PM   #4246
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Originally Posted by Gaetan View Post
Hypocrites don't admit their injustice.
Say the man preaching we shouldn't use money while he is, infact, using money. Despite the fact it is possible, and people are currently living like that, you won't. Because, well, that would be effort, right?
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Old 17th July 2019, 06:02 PM   #4247
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Originally Posted by Gaetan View Post
Everybody except a Saint don't want to pay for the work of neighbour including me and you fellows have to admit it or you are hypocrites but me i want to work for free of charge, i am fair, not yous, then you have to admit that you are unjust.
It seems you are a hypocrite. You want to work for free, but you admit that you don't.

If my neighbor helps me by working, I have no problem paying him a fair wage. Why do you have a problem with that?
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Old 18th July 2019, 01:33 AM   #4248
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Originally Posted by Joecool View Post

If my neighbor helps me by working, I have no problem paying him a fair wage. Why do you have a problem with that?
But you don't want to. Tell us the true hypocrite.
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Old 18th July 2019, 01:40 AM   #4249
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Originally Posted by RoboTimbo View Post
I don't do black Friday.
Because you are rich and you don't worry about saving few dollars
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Old 18th July 2019, 04:05 AM   #4250
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Originally Posted by Gaetan View Post
Because you are rich and you don't worry about saving few dollars
Thank you for your admission to previously lying about it.

Now answer the parts of my post that you dishonestly cut out. Why are the religious so dishonest?
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Old 18th July 2019, 10:28 PM   #4251
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Gaetan is a hypocrite. He advocates for a no money world but he admits that he works for money. He claims he wants to work for free - but he doesn't.

I recently had some friends and neighbors help me paint my house. I paid them for their help and I paid them $25 an hour each. A pretty fair wage for a day's work helping a neighbor. We finished painting in one day. After painting, I also paid for pizza and beer. Fair enough for you Gaetan?
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Old 19th July 2019, 09:21 AM   #4252
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Originally Posted by Joecool View Post
Gaetan is a hypocrite. He advocates for a no money world but he admits that he works for money. He claims he wants to work for free - but he doesn't.

I recently had some friends and neighbors help me paint my house. I paid them for their help and I paid them $25 an hour each. A pretty fair wage for a day's work helping a neighbor. We finished painting in one day. After painting, I also paid for pizza and beer. Fair enough for you Gaetan?
For reference, payscale.com says low market is 17/hour. Angies list says low market is 25/hour. I guess, depending on the pizza and beer, fair rate. Of course, that's contractor pay, so they would be paying the actual employees a bit less. And no pizza or beer.
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Old 19th July 2019, 05:40 PM   #4253
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Originally Posted by Joecool View Post
Gaetan is a hypocrite. He advocates for a no money world but he admits that he works for money. He claims he wants to work for free - but he doesn't.

I recently had some friends and neighbors help me paint my house. I paid them for their help and I paid them $25 an hour each. A pretty fair wage for a day's work helping a neighbor. We finished painting in one day. After painting, I also paid for pizza and beer. Fair enough for you Gaetan?
People answering my post are all rich and live confortable that's why you fellows don't take a chance to get rid of money. Jesus said: ''you had your reward''

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Old 19th July 2019, 06:13 PM   #4254
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Originally Posted by Gaetan View Post
People answering my post are all rich and live confortable that's why you fellows don't take a chance to get rid of money. Jesus said: ''you had your reward''
And yet Gaetan the hypocrite says that he still uses money. You have no credibility and nobody believes anything you say.

When you abolish all religion, including your own weird one, then MAYBE you'll have some credibility.
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Old 19th July 2019, 07:57 PM   #4255
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People answering my post are all rich and live confortable that's why you fellows don't take a chance to get rid of money. Jesus said: ''you had your reward''
Why are you such a hypocrite Gaetan. You are either getting money for doing nothing, or you are getting money for work. According to what you believe, you are the biggest hypocrite around.

And Jesus did not say "You had your reward."

Please start practicing what you preach. If you listen to what Jesus said, you should have moved to the Holy Land. If you listen to what you say, you should have given away all your money, and not use it. You have a credit card, you use money.
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Old 19th July 2019, 11:53 PM   #4256
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People answering my post are all rich and live confortable that's why you fellows don't take a chance to get rid of money. Jesus said: ''you had your reward''
Hypocrite. You didn't take YOUR chance to get rid of money. YOU admit you still use money.

Whether people are rich or not is not relevant. Someone who's rich can still use their money for good things are not for selfish things.

Where did Jesus say "you had your reward"?
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Old 20th July 2019, 01:50 AM   #4257
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And Jesus did not say "You had your reward."
The Beatitudes ESV

6.20 And he lifted up his eyes on his disciples, and said:

“Blessed are you who are poor, for yours is the kingdom of God.

21 “Blessed are you who are hungry now, for you shall be satisfied.

“Blessed are you who weep now, for you shall laugh.

22 “Blessed are you when people hate you and when they exclude you and revile you and spurn your name as evil, on account of the Son of Man! 23 Rejoice in that day, and leap for joy, for behold, your reward is great in heaven; for so their fathers did to the prophets.

Jesus Pronounces Woes

24 “But woe to you who are rich, for you have received your consolation.

25 “Woe to you who are full now, for you shall be hungry.

“Woe to you who laugh now, for you shall mourn and weep.

26 “Woe to you, when all people speak well of you, for so their fathers did to the false prophets.
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Old 20th July 2019, 05:05 AM   #4258
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the false prophets.
That's you, Gaetan. You're the false prophet. You call Jesus a liar. He declared that the laborer deserves to be paid and you say people should give up money. And yet you dont give up your own wealth.

Hm, who to believe - Gaetan the hypocrite or Jesus?

This is why we must abolish religions for the evil and criminal enterprises they are.
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I see that you want to be the judge of wages
Nope, again I can't be, as I don't directly pay anyone's wages.
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Nope, again I can't be, as I don't directly pay anyone's wages.
I have in the past. For the guys who are good at their job I always paid over the odds. And happy to do it.

In every business venture, I have operated a meritocracy. If one is good enough, one gets enough.

Gaetan wants a LCD system where everyone gets sufficient for bare survival. That is a recipe for straight out barbarianism.
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Old 20th July 2019, 07:58 AM   #4261
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Everybody except a Saint don't want to pay for the work of neighbour including me and you fellows have to admit it or you are hypocrites but me i want to work for free of charge, i am fair, not yous, then you have to admit that you are unjust.
That is a flat out lie. Only freeloaders like you want everything for nothing. That is immoral.

And you are not even doing it anyway.

Why are you not doing it? What is holding you back? After all your god told you he would provide, so you have no excuse, do you?

The reality is that not only do we not believe a word of it, you don't believe a word of it either.
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Hypocrites don't admit their injustice.
However, simply admitting one is unjust doesn't preclude them from being a hypocrite. For example one who asserts their own use of money is, or what they want to pay their neighbors is, unjust. Yet still uses money and still wants to pay their neighbors what they consider an unjust wage. You want justice while considering your own actions and wants as unjust yet continue to do them. That makes you specifically because admit your injustice, claim to want justice yet do nothing to correct your own enactment thereof.
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Old 20th July 2019, 08:03 AM   #4263
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But you don't want to. Tell us the true hypocrite.
How exactly did you determine the he does not want to? Are you psychic?
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I have in the past. For the guys who are good at their job I always paid over the odds. And happy to do it.

In every business venture, I have operated a meritocracy. If one is good enough, one gets enough.

Gaetan wants a LCD system where everyone gets sufficient for bare survival. That is a recipe for straight out barbarianism.
Exactly, Gaetan simply wants to be unjust by simply wanting people not to be paid yet accept payment himself.

Gaetan's lack of real world experience again. As I noted before in almost 40 years of production experience not only wouldn't I even consider, I don't know anyone that would, a quote of 0$ for anything as valid or reasonable. Gaetan simply wants to paint everyone with his own hypocritical injustice without understanding the real world reasons why people would reject low ball and particularly 0$ bids as not only unrealistic but indicative of incompetence on the part of the bidder.
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Because you are rich and you don't worry about saving few dollars
Nope, first there is a wide range between being poor and/or just being worried about every dollar and being "rich". Thus even in not being rich some people might not be worried about saving a few dollars. Heck, for me, it is at least in part about my time being worth more to me than those few dollars. Also for me, like others here, we understand what those extra dollars might do in helping maintain our neighbors at higher wages. As already noted, unlike you, we don't have a problem with that (even sans sainthood).
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Because you are rich and you don't worry about saving few dollars
Whst is your definition of rich? I have
no debts. I own my home outright. I can work or not work as I choose, What debt do you claim I have?

Somehow you cannot answer that.
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People answering my post are all rich and live confortable that's why you fellows don't take a chance to get rid of money. Jesus said: ''you had your reward''
Define rich. I'll settle for yearly salary, or money left over after monthly expenses.
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The Beatitudes ESV

6.20 And he lifted up his eyes on his disciples, and said:

“Blessed are you who are poor, for yours is the kingdom of God.

21 “Blessed are you who are hungry now, for you shall be satisfied.

“Blessed are you who weep now, for you shall laugh.

22 “Blessed are you when people hate you and when they exclude you and revile you and spurn your name as evil, on account of the Son of Man! 23 Rejoice in that day, and leap for joy, for behold, your reward is great in heaven; for so their fathers did to the prophets.

Jesus Pronounces Woes

24 “But woe to you who are rich, for you have received your consolation.

25 “Woe to you who are full now, for you shall be hungry.

“Woe to you who laugh now, for you shall mourn and weep.

26 “Woe to you, when all people speak well of you, for so their fathers did to the false prophets.
Gaetan, you use money to buy food and pay your bills.

"woe to you who are full now, for you shall be hungry". I guess you'll burn in hell now.

Whereas, John 3:16 says we will have eternal life if we believe in Jesus.

So what is the truth to you? What you are preaching seems to be heresy.
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Whereas, John 3:16 says we will have eternal life if we believe in Jesus.
ESV Mt 5.20 For I tell you, unless your righteousness exceeds that of the scribes and Pharisees, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven.

Jesus said that injustice, No way to apostles, then you have to pay the maximum what ever you buy because you want to be paid the max for your work, or if you pay zero you don't charge for your work. Love your neighbour as yourself. Mt 7.12 “So whatever you wish that others would do to you, do also to them, for this is the Law and the Prophets.

13 “Enter by the narrow gate. For the gate is wide and the way is easy[a] that leads to destruction, and those who enter by it are many. 14 For the gate is narrow and the way is hard that leads to life, and those who find it are few.

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ESV Mt 5.20 For I tell you, unless your righteousness exceeds that of the scribes and Pharisees, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven.

Jesus said that injustice, No way to apostles, then you have to pay the maximum what ever you buy because you want to be paid the max for your work, or if you pay zero you don't charge for your work. Love your neighbour as yourself. Mt 7.12 “So whatever you wish that others would do to you, do also to them, for this is the Law and the Prophets.

13 “Enter by the narrow gate. For the gate is wide and the way is easy[a] that leads to destruction, and those who enter by it are many. 14 For the gate is narrow and the way is hard that leads to life, and those who find it are few.
No such thing as Jesus. He rightly belongs in the same category as Santa.
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ESV Mt 5.20
Timothy 5:18 Those who work deserve their pay

Are you saying that your Jesus character is one of those religious liars?
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ESV Mt 5.20 For I tell you, unless your righteousness exceeds that of the scribes and Pharisees, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven.
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Just how righteous were those "scribes and Pharisees"? Did they use money like you?

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Jesus said that injustice, No way to apostles, then you have to pay the maximum what ever you buy because you want to be paid the max for your work, or if you pay zero you don't charge for your work. Love your neighbour as yourself. Mt 7.12 “So whatever you wish that others would do to you, do also to them, for this is the Law and the Prophets.
So again one not looking "to be paid the max for your work" one need not "pay the maximum what ever you buy" and would still be just, by your assertions.

Exactly how do you guarantee the "max" or min you pay for something actually translates into the pay scale of the workers? Fact of the matter is you can't, unless you directly pay them yourself.


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13 “Enter by the narrow gate. For the gate is wide and the way is easy[a] that leads to destruction, and those who enter by it are many. 14 For the gate is narrow and the way is hard that leads to life, and those who find it are few.
Looks like you're screwed for using money, not knowing how righteous those "scribes and Pharisees" were (for a comparative determination), and for not ensuring (or even being able to ensure) your neighbor's pay matches your particular level of "want" for yourself, at least by your own regard.
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ESV Mt 5.20 For I tell you, unless your righteousness exceeds that of the scribes and Pharisees, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven.
Gaetan, Jesus said that because the scribes and Pharisees put the law above people and common courtesy. That's exactly why Jesus told the parable about helping your neighbor. The scribe and the Pharisee did not help the injured traveler while the Good Samaritan did.

But in the parable of the Good Samaritan, you'll note that he used MONEY to pay the Inn Keeper to care for the injured man. He also said he would return and pay more if necessary.

Gaetan's claim that we should not use money is bunk. And Gaetan is a hypocrite because he admits he uses money. Why would anyone follow his idea if Gaetan himself won't do it?
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But in the parable of the Good Samaritan, you'll note that he used MONEY to pay the Inn Keeper to care for the injured man. He also said he would return and pay more if necessary.
He use money but he had nothing in exchange for himself, that's gift economy.
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Originally Posted by Gaetan View Post
He use money but he had nothing in exchange for himself, that's gift economy.
No, using money is not a gift economy. You use money, don't you? It's ok though because Jesus said that laborers desertve to be paid money.

He didn't command the religious to abuse children but so many of them do. Don't you agree that we must abolish religion for the evil and criminal enterprise it is in addition to turning its sycophants' brains to pudding?
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Old 22nd July 2019, 06:14 AM   #4276
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Originally Posted by Gaetan View Post
He use money but he had nothing in exchange for himself, that's gift economy.
No it isn't, one simply giving a gift does not constitute a gift economy. If it did what we have now would constitute a gift economy as I and others do, well, give gifts.

That the samaritan gave money to the innkeeper specifically exemplifies that the economy at the time was monetary.
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Originally Posted by Gaetan View Post
People answering my post are all rich and live confortable that's why you fellows don't take a chance to get rid of money. Jesus said: ''you had your reward''
Don't flatter yourself.

People read your posts for the unintended humour and religious delusions.

Your posts are comic relief, not philosophy.
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Originally Posted by Joecool View Post
Gaetan, Jesus said that because the scribes and Pharisees put the law above people and common courtesy. That's exactly why Jesus told the parable about helping your neighbor. The scribe and the Pharisee did not help the injured traveler while the Good Samaritan did.

But in the parable of the Good Samaritan, you'll note that he used MONEY to pay the Inn Keeper to care for the injured man. He also said he would return and pay more if necessary.

Gaetan's claim that we should not use money is bunk. And Gaetan is a hypocrite because he admits he uses money. Why would anyone follow his idea if Gaetan himself won't do it?
That's the real rub of it Joecool, for whatever reason Gaetan simply finds that he just wants to screw over his neighbor. Instead of working to change himself such that he'd rather help his neighbor, however the world works, as exemplified in the parable of the Good Samaritan. Gaetan wants instead to just change the world so that everyone just screws over their neighbors and themselves, whether they want to or not. Evidently injustice loves company as much as misery does.
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Originally Posted by RoboTimbo View Post
No, using money is not a gift economy.
For you gift economy is when you put the money in a poker machine.
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Originally Posted by Gaetan View Post
For you gift economy is when you put the money in a poker machine.
Why do the religious lie so much? Are you going to comment on the last link I gave you about all the religious who abuse children?
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