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Old 14th July 2016, 05:22 AM   #641
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Originally Posted by TragicMonkey View Post
Jimmy Saville didn't "seem weird", so he got away with it.
I can only assume from this statement that you're wholly unfamiliar with Jimmy Saville. I don't think anybody was surprised by the accusations against him.

Saville got away with it because he had powerful friends, up to and including royalty.
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I don't think anybody was surprised by the accusations against him.
I dunno; but I knew someone who claimed to know him, and he was not only surprised, but flat refused to believe it. I don't know if anything ever convinced him.

Not being familiar enough with the allegations or the evidence, I have no real opinion either way.
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I should say: I find it mighty convenient when these kinds of allegations are brought against a person who has passed away and cannot defend themselves.
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As far as the actual topic of the thread goes, I don't know whether or not Jackson was a paedophile. I don't know enough about the psychology of paedophiles or Jackson himself to make that kind of assessment.

I will say, however, that you would expect a man of his power, money and influence to be able to acquire more than one single book of art, if he wanted to get his hands on child pornography.
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Old 14th July 2016, 08:54 AM   #645
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In their bedroom?
2 men were arrested outside pop star Joss Stone's home. In their car were swords, a map to her house, rope, and a body bag.

So yeah, there are people who have tried to harm pop stars within their own homes.
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Old 14th July 2016, 12:44 PM   #646
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I will say, however, that you would expect a man of his power, money and influence to be able to acquire more than one single book of art, if he wanted to get his hands on child pornography.
Two.
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I should say: I find it mighty convenient when these kinds of allegations are brought against a person who has passed away and cannot defend themselves.
These allegations are weak as hell. A few artistic magazines that depict a few naked children in non-pornographic ways are being treated as equivalents to hardcore child porn. They completely ignore the fact that the actual porn found at his home involved women -- confirming that he was a adult-oriented heterosexual man.

Even in death, this guy can't find any piece.
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Old 14th July 2016, 12:50 PM   #648
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Two.
Well, that settles it. Two artistic mags with SOME naked children. Let's just ignore his hardcore porn stash that depicted women mostly and adults ONLY. Or just engage in mental gymnastics by claiming that this porn was just collected to lure young boys! If the pieces don't fit, let's force them together!
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Old 14th July 2016, 01:06 PM   #649
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Originally Posted by Checkmite View Post
Originally Posted by Squeegee Beckenheim View Post
I will say, however, that you would expect a man of his power, money and influence to be able to acquire more than one single book of art, if he wanted to get his hands on child pornography.
Two.

Yeah.

That second one probably broke the bank.
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Originally Posted by quadraginta View Post
Yeah.

That second one probably broke the bank.
Maybe, maybe not. Probably a better point to make would be that "We should expect a pedophile with Michael Jackson's wealth and power to have more than just a couple of art books to use for child pornography" is a specious argument. Firstly because it's known that wealth and power have nothing to do with child porn; the material has been found in vast quantities on the computers of people of every economic class; other highly prominent known pedophiles have not been found to have any such material in their possession, so far as authorities were able to determine. An example (who keeps coming up in this thread, because the cases are so similar) would be Jerry Sandusky. Of course, Jerry Sandusky had near-continuous direct access to children; as did Michael Jackson.
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Maybe, maybe not. Probably a better point to make would be that "We should expect a pedophile with Michael Jackson's wealth and power to have more than just a couple of art books to use for child pornography" is a specious argument. Firstly because it's known that wealth and power have nothing to do with child porn; the material has been found in vast quantities on the computers of people of every economic class; other highly prominent known pedophiles have not been found to have any such material in their possession, so far as authorities were able to determine. An example (who keeps coming up in this thread, because the cases are so similar) would be Jerry Sandusky. Of course, Jerry Sandusky had near-continuous direct access to children; as did Michael Jackson.
I think you misunderstood what I meant.

Perhaps if I rephrase it thusly: "we should expect a paedophile who is also wealthy and powerful to have more than just a couple of art books to use for child pornography, if s/he were indeed collecting child pornography". The point being that these two books being in amongst the many books that Jackson owned is not terribly good evidence that he was a paedophile, or that he wanted to own child pornography.
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Originally Posted by Squeegee Beckenheim View Post
The point being that these two books being in amongst the many books that Jackson owned is not terribly good evidence that he was a paedophile, or that he wanted to own child pornography.
By themselves, not at all.
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Originally Posted by Squeegee Beckenheim View Post
As far as the actual topic of the thread goes, I don't know whether or not Jackson was a paedophile. I don't know enough about the psychology of paedophiles or Jackson himself to make that kind of assessment.
Same here. But no worry, there are plenty of people here who can pass judgment regardless.
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Dude slept in bed with strangers pre-teen kids

But apparently it's ok because he was just quirky and boyish
Can you link to someone on this thread who stated "it's okay?"

My impression is that nobody's "okay" with that; at the most they've pointed out that it's not actually illegal.
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I got to thinking and figured I'd better check my own collection for child pornography too. Uh oh! NSFW image, don't open, no no.
three bears.jpg I TOLD you not to open it, you pervy scum!
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Yes, he was a paedophile.


Now that Netflix has opened up the topic again past accusers are wanting to be heard.
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Now that Netflix has opened up the topic again past accusers are wanting to be heard.
You mean HBO?
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I should say: I find it mighty convenient when these kinds of allegations are brought against a person who has passed away and cannot defend themselves.
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And this was one of the more "rational" responses from the Jackson fans to "Leaving Neverland". A lot of them are going the full blown conspiracy route, that there is some vast evil plot to blacken the reputation of Jackson.
The Jackson fans are hopeless. Nothing ,no evidence will shake their faith in the great God Michael.
I can't see how anybody who approached halfway objectively can look at the evidence and not go away thinking that Jackson basically bought and bribed his way out of a conviction for pedophilia.
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I have looked over this thread, and a lot of people just don't get how powerful show biz celebs are in Southern California. They are quite literally above the law unless caught red handed. I give you OJ as an example.
How do you think Harvey Weinstein got away with if for so long.
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Also, Dragon Lady seems to have been unaware that many of the allegations about Michael Jackson were in fact leveled while he was still alive.
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Corey Feldman has always defended MJ, saying there was never any untoward activity between them (although he was molested by other Hollywood figures.)

I believe that may be true, as although MJ cared for him, he was likely not his "type". I'd be more interested to hear Macauley Culkin say the same, with such conviction.
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Corey Feldman has always defended MJ, saying there was never any untoward activity between them (although he was molested by other Hollywood figures.)

I believe that may be true, as although MJ cared for him, he was likely not his "type". I'd be more interested to hear Macauley Culkin say the same, with such conviction.
Culkin's life seems troubled enough that I hope he can deal with whatever demons he has, without having to do it in public.
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I have looked over this thread, and a lot of people just don't get how powerful show biz celebs are in Southern California. They are quite literally above the law unless caught red handed. I give you OJ as an example.
How do you think Harvey Weinstein got away with if for so long.
I'm always personally struck by the hordes of imbeciles who make knee-jerk reactions to situations like this based on an individual's status or wealth and don't even take a cursory look at the actual evidence.
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I'm always personally struck by the hordes of imbeciles who make knee-jerk reactions to situations like this based on an individual's status or wealth and don't even take a cursory look at the actual evidence.
Are they imbeciles because you tested their heid, or because their opinion differs from yours?
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I have looked over this thread, and a lot of people just don't get how powerful show biz celebs are in Southern California. They are quite literally above the law unless caught red handed. I give you OJ as an example.
How do you think Harvey Weinstein got away with if for so long.
I never realized celebrities made, and enforced, the laws. It seems to me that Weinstein got away with it because no one reported his behaviour. That hardly makes him "above the law."
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Getting away with a lot of illegal stuff looks like " above the law " to me...
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Getting away with a lot of illegal stuff looks like " above the law " to me...
Getting away with things because people don't report it for decades is not what "above the law" means.
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Getting away with things because people don't report it for decades is not what "above the law" means.
Getting away with it because nobody dare report the abuse out of fear for their career puts you, in effect, '"above the law".

Small town and the chief of police is up to no good and you know it. Taking bribes, intimidating people for his own gain ... that kind of thing. Are you going to report him?
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Getting away with things because people don't report it for decades is not what "above the law" means.
There were trials. Jackson got off two of them for technical reasons.
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There were trials. Jackson got off two of them for technical reasons.
I thought there were just the two: The one with Jordy Chandler in the early 90's, which he settled out of court, and one in the mid 2000's, in which, according to the documentary anyway, he told Robson to lie about not having been molested.
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Getting away with things because people don't report it for decades is not what "above the law" means.
Not without context it doesnt.
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Getting away with things because people don't report it for decades is not what "above the law" means.
I suspect Harvey Weinstein felt like he was above the law..

I wonder if he would have felt different if he really understood what it means.
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Wow, just look at this.
That's just called getting older.
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I believe Jackson probably did this stuff, but what is the actual evidence?

Witness testimony doesn't do it for Bigfoot reports. Jackson, and his estate are worth quite a lot of money and it isn't out of the question that people would falsely claim things in order to get some of it.

I would think the case against him would be pretty rock solid at this point. Is there new evidence put forth in this documentary?
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Jackson got off two of them.....

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I believe Jackson probably did this stuff, but what is the actual evidence?

Witness testimony doesn't do it for Bigfoot reports. Jackson, and his estate are worth quite a lot of money and it isn't out of the question that people would falsely claim things in order to get some of it.

I would think the case against him would be pretty rock solid at this point. Is there new evidence put forth in this documentary?
What evidence would you expect to see, that you haven't?
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