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Old 15th April 2019, 08:25 PM   #1
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Bernie Sanders at the Fox News town hall

Bernie Sanders at the Fox News town hall Monday evening.

I'm impressed with his crowd control there, something I haven't seen too much of, let alone in an event hosted by conservatives. He knows the stakes this time around.

Originally Posted by Sanders
"I guess the president watches your network a little bit, right?
"Hey President Trump, my wife and I just released 10 years, please do the same...."

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...if we spend all of our time attacking Trump, you know what? Democrats are gonna lose

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I do wish he did better explaining the false socialism/capitalism dilemma. They seem to be hammering that into the discussion every time he's on any media.
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Old 16th April 2019, 07:24 AM   #2
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I do wish he did better explaining the false socialism/capitalism dilemma. They seem to be hammering that into the discussion every time he's on any media.
I wish he didn't engage with them at all. But as for the whole socialism/capitalism thing, its not a good faith argument. Engaging it, instead of specific policies or issues, allows dishonest people to bog down the discussion with word play and dog whistles.
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Bernie is serving as a useful distraction, keeping the yippy little dogs occupied while the vet fills the syringes. Let then yap at the clown.
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I think reaching out to the other side is worth while. Plenty of people were happy to vote for Trump simply because he was sticking it to the elites, including the Fox News/RNC elites.

Bernie coming over and hawking a non-racist populist message has potential to gain traction with disgruntled conservative voters.
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Old 16th April 2019, 09:42 AM   #5
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There's reaching out to people who may not hear your message or hear a bastardized version of it. That is a good thing.

But, aren't we beyond the point of assuming FOX is capable of honest discussion? They are just going to use his appearance to push Comrade President.
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Originally Posted by Donal View Post
There's reaching out to people who may not hear your message or hear a bastardized version of it. That is a good thing.

But, aren't we beyond the point of assuming FOX is capable of honest discussion? They are just going to use his appearance to push Comrade President.
We can be assured that the editorial shows after any such appearance will be hard at work putting an unflattering spin on anything said by Bernie, but it's still good to speak to such a large audience of Americans.

I would say that Bernie and other candidates should be open to doing such appearances, but be very cynical when negotiating ground rules of such an appearance. Bernie got asked decent questions and got to answer freely at some length.
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In a way he is right, attacking Trump is just attaking Trumpists. They are a lost cause. But in a way he is wrong. You get noticed attacking Trump. And noticed is what you need. Fame, onfamy, anything! Tweet daily!
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It wasn't a lost cause:

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Until the howls of "socialism" begin again.

I do agree that constantly attack Stupid just works in his favor. Come out with real policies that show you aren't just a another Washington insider.
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Until the howls of "socialism" begin again.

I do agree that constantly attack Stupid just works in his favor. Come out with real policies that show you aren't just a another Washington insider.
He addressed and defined his version of democratic socialism at the Fox town hall right before that poll was taken.

eta: I think the rightwing accidentally cut their own foot off with the over-the-top socialism fearmongering under Obama.
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All it means is that the republican dishonesty machine was focused on tearing down someone else. Had he actually won the nomination a significant number of those saying they would have voted for him would now be convinced heís the Devil incarnate. Back in 2007 t rapidly shifted from made up reasons to hate Hillary to made up reasons to hat Obama, then back to made up reasons to hate Hillary again for 2016. The made up reasons to hate Sanders would have been at least as compelling and there may have even been some real reasons not to vote for him mixed in.
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Old 16th April 2019, 12:31 PM   #12
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Originally Posted by kellyb View Post
He addressed and defined his version of democratic socialism at the Fox town hall right before that poll was taken.
You have a lot more faith in FOX News viewers than I do

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eta: I think the rightwing accidentally cut their own foot off with the over-the-top socialism fearmongering under Obama.
I think it certainly did have the reverse affect on undecided, middle of the road types. Not so much that they have become fans of socialism, but rather, they roll their eyes
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I think reaching out to the other side is worth while. Plenty of people were happy to vote for Trump simply because he was sticking it to the elites, including the Fox News/RNC elites.

Bernie coming over and hawking a non-racist populist message has potential to gain traction with disgruntled conservative voters.
The cynic in me says that the only reason that Fox had him on their network (and the only reason the appearance went as well for him as it did) was because they are trying to get Sanders installed as the Democratic nominee... they they can bring out all the "real" material... the "America-hating Jewish Atheist Socialist who wants to increase your taxes in order to provide free healthcare to people who don't want to work."
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I would have liked to have seen him say "I reject your premise" a bit more.

Deny dishonest framing.
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Old 16th April 2019, 12:58 PM   #15
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Its a good move for him in the general but I can't see it helping in the primary. He has some of the same appeal as Trump. An outsider, just "telling it how it is", more accurate in bernies case but still it appeals to the same crowd. He's also a lot harder on immigration than most Dems. I can't help but think just showing up on Fox is going to alienate good size chunk of the Dems though.
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Its a good move for him in the general but I can't see it helping in the primary. He has some of the same appeal as Trump. An outsider, just "telling it how it is", more accurate in bernies case but still it appeals to the same crowd. He's also a lot harder on immigration than most Dems. I can't help but think just showing up on Fox is going to alienate good size chunk of the Dems though.
Only the ones who already hated him.
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Only the ones who already hated him.
Maybe, but if he's actually running for the presidency, will this help him get there? I do think it would if he made through the primary. There's a possible down side to going of Fox at this time and not really an up side as far as I can see.
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Maybe, but if he's actually running for the presidency, will this help him get there? I do think it would if he made through the primary. There's a possible down side to going of Fox at this time and not really an up side as far as I can see.
I dunno. I might be switching from Warren to Sanders as a result of how this is all playing out.
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Maybe, but if he's actually running for the presidency, will this help him get there? I do think it would if he made through the primary. There's a possible down side to going of Fox at this time and not really an up side as far as I can see.
I think it gives him ammo to counter the "Benrie is unelectable" claims during the primary: He went on fox directly and convinced fox viewers that he has valid policy ideas.

Even if he only peels off a few fox viewers, that is more than any other democrats is trying to get, and even a glass of water with a D next to its name will get all the democratic votes.
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... even a glass of water with a D next to its name will get all the democratic votes.
I would like to hope this was the case, but there are some weird people out there. My partner was part of some facebook groups of Hilary supporters. And through the course of the election and beyond, they all seemed to morph into an anti-Bernie hate group.

Maybe they're all Russian trolls or something, but I think they represent or have created a view that at least some chunk of democrats hold.

Democrats are great at being bizarre purists and infighters. I guarantee you that whoever goes up against Trump, we'll still see some on the left (ostensibly democrats) who refuse to vote for the "lesser of two evils" and go with a third party or stay home.
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I said this on another thread, but Bernie convinced me not to support him in the primaries during the town hall. His answer on nuclear was ignorant and wrong.
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The cynic in me says that the only reason that Fox had him on their network (and the only reason the appearance went as well for him as it did) was because they are trying to get Sanders installed as the Democratic nominee... they they can bring out all the "real" material... the "America-hating Jewish Atheist Socialist who wants to increase your taxes in order to provide free healthcare to people who don't want to work."
I've had exactly this thought.
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I would like to hope this was the case, but there are some weird people out there. My partner was part of some facebook groups of Hilary supporters. And through the course of the election and beyond, they all seemed to morph into an anti-Bernie hate group.

Maybe they're all Russian trolls or something, but I think they represent or have created a view that at least some chunk of democrats hold.

Democrats are great at being bizarre purists and infighters. I guarantee you that whoever goes up against Trump, we'll still see some on the left (ostensibly democrats) who refuse to vote for the "lesser of two evils" and go with a third party or stay home.
I don't think anyone running is immune to this very accurate observation. While I likely won't be voting for Sanders in the primary, but I do think this move gives him ammo, whether it is on target or convincing is another matter.
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I've had exactly this thought.
No, they'd host a town hall of most of the top tier candidates. They may bash them later though.
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No, they'd host a town hall of most of the top tier candidates. They may bash them later though.
My tinfoil hat side wonders if it wasn't just hosting a town hall, but giving Bernie the earliest real election cycle-ish event and guaranteeing him a win by going easy on him, not stacking the audience in a way they easily could, letting him slide on some questions where they'd normally work harder to nail a dem, setting him up for some softballs they know make him look good.

I fully realize this is conspiracy territory. But it's factually established that fox news is not a news organization that happens to lean right. They're a mobilized propaganda wing of the GOP. I have a hard time looking at anything they do that effects the election as neutral.
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I don't think this will give Sanders a big push other than "he reaches out to everyone". Nobody is really going to listen to whoever FOX News says Democrats should vote for.
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My tinfoil hat side wonders if it wasn't just hosting a town hall, but giving Bernie the earliest real election cycle-ish event and guaranteeing him a win by going easy on him, not stacking the audience in a way they easily could, letting him slide on some questions where they'd normally work harder to nail a dem, setting him up for some softballs they know make him look good.

I fully realize this is conspiracy territory. But it's factually established that fox news is not a news organization that happens to lean right. They're a mobilized propaganda wing of the GOP. I have a hard time looking at anything they do that effects the election as neutral.
No question it does. But the reason Democrats and liberals don't go on Fox News is not because they aren't invited, it's because of the overall right wing environment.They will be outnumbered and Fox reporters like Hannity and before him O'Reilly shouted over them and mocked them. Bernie has never hesitated to appear on Fox.
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I said this on another thread, but Bernie convinced me not to support him in the primaries during the town hall. His answer on nuclear was ignorant and wrong.
If that's what it takes,
Who among the Dem candidates is for nuclear?
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If that's what it takes,
Who among the Dem candidates is for nuclear?
I hadn't been checking as of yet. But Booker a few weeks ago introduced a bipartisan bill to support streamlining licensing and the development of advanced reactors.
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If that's what it takes,
Who among the Dem candidates is for nuclear?

Several apparently support nuclear to varying degrees.

Andrew Yang has this policy brief on his campaign website
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Nuclear energy is a relatively low-impact option for generating electricity. While the mining and enrichment of uranium has environmental impacts, and the storing of nuclear waste isnít easy, it is overall an efficient way to generate energy.

With modern safety standards, itís also a safe way to generate electricity. The Nuclear Regulatory Committee standards require that a risk assessment shows there less than a one-in-a-million chance of any radioactivity to be released to the environment.

Nuclear isnít a perfect solution, but itís a solid solution for now, and a technology we should invest in as we move to a future powered primarily by renewable energy.

Both Booker and Warren do as well.
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And Buttigieg in an interview said it should be part of the strategy for cutting carbon emissions.
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To me, our priority when it comes to energy has to be carbon. And nuclear has problems but it has the advantage that it does not create carbon emissions, so if we got to choose our pros and cons I think that nuclear certainly is preferable to anything like coal. And while it might not be the best solution for the very long term, and I certainly prefer in the short to medium term doing everything that we can with renewables, I definitely think by the end of the day what weíve got to care about most is cutting CO2 emissions and, at least for now, nuclear is part of that.
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Several apparently support nuclear to varying degrees.

Andrew Yang has this policy brief on his campaign website
https://www.yang2020.com/policies/nuclear-energy/

Both Booker and Warren do as well.
https://thebulletin.org/2019/02/why-...nuclear-power/

And Buttigieg in an interview said it should be part of the strategy for cutting carbon emissions.
https://www.bostonherald.com/2019/04...l-and-nuclear/
Thanks for finding and posting this.

Although she's not running, Hillary has come out in favor of doing more with nuclear power.
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Nuclear is not a panacea nor foolproof. But burning neutrons is certainly better than burning carbon.
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Colbert just played a piece from the Bernie Sanders town hall on Fox.

Bret Baier asked the audience how many people get their health insurance from their job? Majority in the audience raised their hands including Sanders. Then he asked how many want to get their health insurance from the government? Majority in the audience raised their hands.

Whoops.
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Its a good move for him in the general but I can't see it helping in the primary. He has some of the same appeal as Trump. An outsider, just "telling it how it is", more accurate in bernies case but still it appeals to the same crowd. He's also a lot harder on immigration than most Dems. I can't help but think just showing up on Fox is going to alienate good size chunk of the Dems though.
The hate for him among some Dems is interesting.
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Why? They hate him for approximately the same reason as the Reps.
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Originally Posted by Sideroxylon View Post
The hate for him among some Dems is interesting.
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Why? They hate him for approximately the same reason as the Reps.
That he cost Hillabeans the election?
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Colbert just played a piece from the Bernie Sanders town hall on Fox.

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The hate for him among some Dems is interesting.
Well, he is an "outsider" (i.e. not a democrat) who is trying to hijack the democratic party. "You are not good enough to associate with, but I will be gracious enough to accept your presidential nomination". A lobg-term democrat might take issue with that.

Then, some may also see him as unelectable. (After all, he does have many skeletons in his closet, as discussed elsewhere on the forum.)

And of course there is the fact that he kept the primary fight against hillary going on longer than he needed to, which negatively affected the democrats chances in 2016.

So an outsider with little or no viability as an actual presidential candidate, who is also a sore loser. Yeah, can't see why any democrats would be against that.

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Calling Bernie an Outsider is hilarious.
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