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Old 26th February 2019, 08:48 PM   #601
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Originally Posted by Delphic Oracle View Post
Ready to call it, yet?
As soon as I read the rest of the news about Matt Gaetz and NAMBLA.

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Old 26th February 2019, 09:07 PM   #602
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Originally Posted by The Big Dog View Post
Hmm, I have the actual words which say:

Rosenstein: "...if we aren't prepared to prove our case beyond a reasonable doubt in court, then we have no business making allegations against American citizens."
I'm the one who quoted those words. Me. Not you.

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And you have you exciting anecdote about a student writing an essay...
The anecdote is an illustration of wrong-doing minus the proof it that would add certainty to making it stick at the next level. Again you seem incapable of basic comprehension...
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Old 26th February 2019, 09:13 PM   #603
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I'm the one who quoted those words. Me. Not you.



The anecdote is an illustration of wrong-doing minus the proof it that would add certainty to making it stick at the next level. Again you seem incapable of basic comprehension...
Actually, I linked to the actual words in the actual context so.

Cool anecdote tho. By the way, I enjoyed it more when you were posting insipid stories rather than posting insipid claims that smart people are incapable of basic comprehension.
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Old 26th February 2019, 09:19 PM   #604
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Originally Posted by The Big Dog View Post
Actually, I linked to the actual words in the actual context so.

Cool anecdote tho. By the way, I enjoyed it more when you were posting insipid stories rather than posting insipid claims that smart people are incapable of basic comprehension.
He didn't say smart people. He's talking about you ...
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Old 26th February 2019, 09:25 PM   #605
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I think that denial of reality is going to be the only route left for the Trumpsters very soon....
For now, it is their preferred route.
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Old 26th February 2019, 09:28 PM   #606
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He didn't say smart people. He's talking about you ...
gOoD CoMeBaCk.

Hoo boy, it is like the Algonquin Roundatable deigned to pay us a visit.

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Old 26th February 2019, 09:40 PM   #607
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Originally Posted by The Big Dog View Post
gOoD CoMeBaCk.



Hoo boy, Cain and beren, it is like the Algonquin Roundatable deigned to pay us a visit.
I notice you don't address the substance of my post, which is factual.

I'm sure that's not because you can't ....

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Old 26th February 2019, 11:27 PM   #608
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Originally Posted by beren View Post
I notice you don't address the substance of my post, which is factual.

I'm sure that's not because you can't ....

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I'm sure it is.
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Old 26th February 2019, 11:55 PM   #609
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Nothing strange about it, it says, if they can't prove their case, then they are not going to release a public statement about people they think are innocent
This is just so elementary. No, it does not follow that the decision not to charge someone means they believe the person is innocent. That's just a rookie mistake, and I tried to explain it to you with a simple anecdote: My decision not to charge a student with cheating does not mean I think he's innocent. If I were more of a masochist, I'd review your posts on Hillary Clinton's server. More than almost any other poster, there's a tremendous gap between your opinion of your abilities, and your actual abilities. In this respect, you're a lot like Trump.

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Actually, I linked to the actual words in the actual context so.
You don't seem to know what context means either. You did link to posts that quoted Rosenstein's statement. It's difficult for me to confidently say you didn't read it because you seem perfectly capable of reading something and not understanding it.
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Old 27th February 2019, 12:14 AM   #610
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Congressman Matt Gaetz tweeted




Isn't that blatent witness intimidation?
One would normally think so. One would normally think that a number of the President's statements would also count as such, though, too.
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Old 27th February 2019, 02:21 AM   #611
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Trump Tweeted

Michael Cohen was one of many lawyers who represented me (unfortunately). He had other clients also. He was just disbarred by the State Supreme Court for lying & fraud. He did bad things unrelated to Trump. He is lying in order to reduce his prison time. Using Crooked’s lawyer!
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Old 27th February 2019, 02:39 AM   #612
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Ready to call it, yet?
I certainly wouldn't criticise anyone who did.
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Old 27th February 2019, 03:31 AM   #613
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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop View Post
Trump Tweeted

Michael Cohen was one of many lawyers who represented me (unfortunately). He had other clients also. He was just disbarred by the State Supreme Court for lying & fraud. He did bad things unrelated to Trump.
It isn't going to wash Stubby. Mr Cohen has documentary evidence verified by other witnesses - verified documents don't tell lies.

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He is lying in order to reduce his prison time. Using Crooked’s lawyer!
NOTHING Cohen is likely to say to Congress can reduce his sentence. He has already been sentenced on the basis of all the co-operation he has already given so far. In order to trigger Rule 35, Cohen would have to reveal something new that he had not already revealed to the SCO or the SDNY. And the first thing they will ask is "why didn't you tell us this already?"


For info: Federal Rules of Criminal Procedure › TITLE VII. POST-CONVICTION PROCEDURES › Rule 35. Correcting or Reducing a Sentence.
Upon the government's motion made within one year of sentencing, the court may reduce a sentence if the defendant, after sentencing, provided substantial assistance in investigating or prosecuting another person.
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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop View Post
Trump Tweeted

Michael Cohen was one of many lawyers who represented me (unfortunately). He had other clients also. He was just disbarred by the State Supreme Court for lying & fraud. He did bad things unrelated to Trump. He is lying in order to reduce his prison time. Using Crooked’s lawyer!
They was a real Trump tweet. Completely incoherent.
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Old 27th February 2019, 05:17 AM   #615
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Michael Cohen will testify that Trump knew Roger Stone talked with WikiLeaks about DNC email dump

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Donald Trump's former attorney Michael Cohen is prepared to testify that Trump was aware of longtime adviser Roger Stone's efforts to reach out to WikiLeaks in advance of its release of damaging information about Hillary Clinton's presidential campaign, according to a copy of his public testimony submitted to Congress and obtained by CNN.

In a stunning 20-page statement provided Tuesday night to lawmakers, Cohen details a wide range of allegations against Trump -- from making racist comments about African-Americans to participating during his presidency in an illegal hush-money scheme to keep his alleged extramarital affairs quiet -- as well as suggesting Trump faked a medical condition to get out of serving in the Vietnam War.

And Cohen will provide new details saying Trump was engaged in an aggressive pursuit of a major project in Russia in 2016, alleging the President's attorneys edited Cohen's 2017 testimony when he lied to Congress, downplaying the efforts to build a Trump Tower in Moscow.
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Old 27th February 2019, 07:05 AM   #616
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He didn't say smart people. He's talking about you ...
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I notice you don't address the substance of my post, which is factual.

I'm sure that's not because you can't ....

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I'm sure it is.
The fact that these posters think a personalized slur is "substance" tells us all one needs to know about the quality of their so called "arguments."
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Old 27th February 2019, 09:07 AM   #617
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The fact that these posters think a personalized slur is "substance" tells us all one needs to know about the quality of their so called "arguments."
My post was factual. There was no slur. The substance was the fact. Granted, the substance was thin, but it did exist and was factual.

It is not the first time I have seen some posters on this site confuse facts with attacks though.
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Old 27th February 2019, 09:41 AM   #618
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Meanwhile, a massive shock: Cohen has revealed the identity of Individual-1. Apparently it is Donald J. Trump. Which fits - we already knew Individual-1 became President in January 2017.
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Old 27th February 2019, 09:47 AM   #619
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Trump Tweeted

Michael Cohen was one of many lawyers who represented me (unfortunately). He had other clients also.
Were they also called Trump?

Cohen was also an executive VP of the Trump Organization.
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Old 27th February 2019, 09:57 AM   #620
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Trump Tweeted

Michael Cohen was one of many lawyers who represented me (unfortunately). He had other clients also. He was just disbarred by the State Supreme Court for lying & fraud. He did bad things unrelated to Trump. He is lying in order to reduce his prison time. Using Crooked’s lawyer!
Now Trump is throwing Sean Hannity under the bus?`
He'll be heartbroken.
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Old 27th February 2019, 10:54 AM   #621
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Were they also called Trump?

Cohen was also an executive VP of the Trump Organization.
And also deputy chairman of the Republican finance committee.
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Old 27th February 2019, 12:30 PM   #622
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Michael Cohen was one of many lawyers who represented me (unfortunately). He had other clients also. He was just disbarred by the State Supreme Court for lying & fraud. He did bad things unrelated to Trump. He is lying in order to reduce his prison time. Using Crooked’s lawyer!
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BBC Report on Cohen testimony

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US President Donald Trump's former lawyer Michael Cohen has claimed Mr Trump knew beforehand about a leak of hacked Democratic emails.

In congressional testimony, Cohen also said Mr Trump directed plans for a Moscow skyscraper even during his White House campaign.

In a blistering opening statement, Cohen branded Mr Trump a "racist", a "conman" and a "cheat"
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Cohen apologised for his earlier false statements to Congress, which he claimed were "reviewed and edited" by Mr Trump's lawyers.
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Cohen testified that, contrary to Mr Trump's repeated claims, he seemed to have advance knowledge of a meeting at Trump Tower in Manhattan between his campaign aides and a Russian lawyer promising "dirt" on Mrs Clinton.
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Cohen told lawmakers Mr Trump is a racist.

"He once asked me if I could name a country run by a black person that wasn't a '********.'
This was when Barack Obama was President of the United States."

"He told me that black people would never vote for him because they were too stupid. And yet I continued to work for him."
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He submitted to the committee a copy of his $130,000 (£97,000) wire transfer to Stormy Daniels to keep her quiet.
Cohen also gave the panel a copy of a $35,000 cheque dated August 2017 - one of a series he said Mr Trump signed to pay him back in instalments.
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He said Mr Trump arranged for an anonymous bid to pay highest price - of $60,000 - for a portrait of himself during an auction in the Hamptons, an affluent enclave of New York state, then paid for it from the account of his self-named charitable foundation, before hanging the picture in one of his country clubs.

He told lawmakers he wrote letters on behalf of Mr Trump threatening the Republican candidate's high school and colleges not to release his grades to reporters.

He says Mr Trump admitted to him he had no medical evidence of the bone spurs in his foot that he once claimed to obtain a draft deferment during the Vietnam War. He says Mr Trump told him: "You think I'm stupid, I wasn't going to Vietnam"
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Cohen suggested federal prosecutors in New York are investigating some unspecified crime involving Trump.
Raja Krishnamoorthi, an Illinois Democrat, asked Cohen about his final conversation with Mr Trump, which the witness said happened about two months after the FBI raided Cohen's home and office last April.
Cohen said he could not divulge what they discussed because it was currently being investigated by the Southern District of New York prosecutor.
Mr Krishnamoorthi pressed: "Is there any other wrongdoing or illegal act that you are aware of regarding Donald Trump that we haven't yet discussed today?"
"Yes, and again, those are part of the investigation that is currently being looked at by the Southern District of New York," Cohen replied.
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Debbie Wasserman Schultz, a Florida Democrat who led the DNC when it was hacked, asked the witness: "Is it possible the whole [Trump] family is conflicted or compromised with a foreign adversary in the months before the election?"
Cohen said yes.
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During the hearing, the president's fellow Republicans pilloried committee Democrats for inviting a man convicted of lying to Congress.

Jim Jordan of Ohio called Cohen - who lost his law licence on Tuesday - a "fraudster" and "cheat".
"Certainly it's the first time a convicted perjurer has been brought back to be a star witness in a hearing," said the lawmaker, a Trump ally.

Arizona Republican Paul Gosar told Cohen: "Look at the old adage that our moms taught us: 'Liar, liar pants on fire.' No one should ever listen to you and give you credibility. It's sad.
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Cohen testimony

“I recognize that some of you may doubt and attack me on my credibility. It is for this reason that I have incorporated into this opening statement documents that are irrefutable, and demonstrate that the information you will hear is accurate and truthful.”

“Copies of letters I wrote at Mr. Trump’s direction that threatened his high school, colleges, and the College Board not to release his grades or SAT scores.”

“A lot of people have asked me about whether Mr. Trump knew about the release of the hacked Democratic National Committee emails ahead of time. The answer is yes.”

"Mr. Assange told Mr. Stone that, within a couple of days, there would be a massive dump of emails that would damage Hillary Clinton’s campaign.

Mr. Trump responded by stating to the effect of 'wouldn’t that be great.'”

"As I earlier stated, Mr. Trump knew from Roger Stone in advance about the WikiLeaks drop of emails.”

"He doesn't give you questions, he doesn't give you orders, he speaks in code, and I understand the code because I've been around him for a decade."

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Cohen says he was asked to pay off a woman that claims to have had Trumps child.
He will release all 11 checks Trump made out to him as part of a criminal campaign finance violation scheme
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Gosar: “You’re a pathological liar, you don’t know truth from falsehood.”

Cohen: “Are you referring to me, or the president?”
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Cohen to the GOP

“I did the same thing you’re doing now for ten years… the people who do what I did and follow Trump blindly will follow the same fate I did”

“Shame on you, Mr Jordan,” Cohen said after Jordan asserted Cohen was disputing facts of his charges. “I take responsibility for my actions.”

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Fordham University confirms Michael Cohen’s testimony that Donald Trump threatened legal action if his academic records were released.
Just how bad do you think Donald was as a student?
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"He doesn't give you questions, he doesn't give you orders, he speaks in code, and I understand the code because I've been around him for a decade."
Exactly like a mobster.
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Fordham University confirms Michael Cohen’s testimony that Donald Trump threatened legal action if his academic records were released.
Just how bad do you think Donald was as a student?
I strongly suspect he had the finest grades his father's money could buy.
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Mueller to the GOP

“I did the same thing you’re doing now for ten years… the people who do what I did and follow Trump blindly will follow the same fate I did”

“Shame on you, Mr Jordan,” Cohen said after Jordan asserted Cohen was disputing facts of his charges. “I take responsibility for my actions.”
Cohen?
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Fordham University confirms Michael Cohen’s testimony that Donald Trump threatened legal action if his academic records were released.
Of course they were already prevented by law from releasing academic records. The threats of legal action were unnecessary, and ended up making things look worse for the president.
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Just how bad do you think Donald was as a student?
How do you know he wasn't trying to hide that he was a straight-A student and was being modest about it? After all, I hear he's a very stable genius.
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Cohen?
Oops! yes
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Old 27th February 2019, 01:08 PM   #634
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Sarah Kendzior tweet

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Someone should ask the GOP why, given Cohen's long history of criminal ties and behavior -- which was in the public domain before 2016 -- they made him the deputy finance chairman of the Republican National Committee in 2017
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Old 27th February 2019, 01:10 PM   #635
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Fordham University confirms Michael Cohen’s testimony that Donald Trump threatened legal action if his academic records were released.
So it's like the Steele dossier all over again - all that can be verified checks out.
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"He doesn't give you questions, he doesn't give you orders, he speaks in code, and I understand the code because I've been around him for a decade."

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Was going to post that
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link is 2015 data (2013 Data below):
UK 8.5% of GDP of which 83.3% is public expenditure - 7.1% of GDP is public spending
US 16.4% of GDP of which 48.2% is public expenditure - 7.9% of GDP is public spending
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Damn it, ninja'd.
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Old 27th February 2019, 01:26 PM   #639
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I was thinking, how long 'til that's posted . . .
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Apparently Matt Gaetz is a lawyer.

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The Florida Bar has opened an investigation into whether Rep. Matt Gaetz (R-FL) violated professional conduct rules by threatening former Trump fixer Michael Cohen ahead of Cohen’s congressional testimony on Wednesday.

The organization, which licenses lawyers to practice in the state, would not disclose details of the investigation, but spokesperson Francine Walker, said the bar is “quite aware of [Gaetz’s] comments...and we have opened an investigation.”

“If rules have been violated, The Florida Bar will vigorously pursue appropriate discipline by the Florida Supreme Court,” Walker said in a statement. “The Florida Bar takes its responsibility of regulating lawyer conduct very seriously.”
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