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Old 15th March 2019, 02:10 PM   #441
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Originally Posted by LTC8K6 View Post
I said earlier that would be the result.
Two fascists don't make a right
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Old 15th March 2019, 02:11 PM   #442
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Originally Posted by sadhatter View Post

This event makes me realize how much the world is being ruined by groups of people who believe their way is the only way. That there is no room for arguement ,no room for compromise , all or nothing , fight for the sake of fighting ********.

And this can be said for the vast majority of social interaction in this day and age, and I'll be damned if I can think of any way to try and help change that.
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It also seems to be a good way to get average folks to create violent chaos.
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Old 15th March 2019, 02:14 PM   #443
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I haven't seen the original quote, but I just heard Sean Hannity on the radio raking Rep. Ocasio-Cortez over the coals for being so cruel and uncaring as to suggest that people consider doing something more substantial and practical than just offering thoughts and prayers.
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Old 15th March 2019, 02:22 PM   #444
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Originally Posted by xterra View Post
[For some unknown reason, the quite function isn't working. This responds to angrysoba.]
I think the quote system doesn't work if you have javascript disabled


Originally Posted by xterra View Post
I understand that the current legal system requires a trial. That's why I said I'd have to be the Tyrant to implement the sentence.
I refer you back to my earlier post about sentencing in NZ

http://www.internationalskeptics.com...4#post12633244


However, I agree with the bulk of your sentiment. There should be no media coverage of the trial except that it is happening. No coverage of anything he says, no reporting of his defense. There should be no way for his vile rhetoric and despicable views to be made public.

Try him, convict him and lock him in a small, cold, steel-walled cell with no windows, no human contact and his meals slid to him though a slot.
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Old 15th March 2019, 02:28 PM   #445
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Originally Posted by Checkmite View Post
Meh. Trump's concern IS faux concern of course; but the direction of his press conference wasn't objectionable. It is common practice to give a solidarity statement at the beginning of the next press conference after a major tragic event like this, but in all cases the conference then normally proceeds to the business it was actually held for - in this case, his veto of yesterday's Senate rejection of his state of emergency.
Yes it ******* was. I'm shocked you would apologize for this.

I am well aware of the norm in acknowledging such tragedies then going on with one's press conference. But a press conference that is as tone deaf as that?

No, any legitimate diplomat would never combine those two things. It's especially egregious parading said 'Angel families' when the families and loved ones of 49 dead New Zealanders are still in the anguish of the immediate aftermath and the shooter essentially said Trump's hatred of Muslims and anyone who isn't white is his role model.
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Old 15th March 2019, 02:29 PM   #446
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Originally Posted by smartcooky View Post
I think the quote system doesn't work if you have javascript disabled




I refer you back to my earlier post about sentencing in NZ

http://www.internationalskeptics.com...4#post12633244


However, I agree with the bulk of your sentiment. There should be no media coverage of the trial except that it is happening. No coverage of anything he says, no reporting of his defense. There should be no way for his vile rhetoric and despicable views to be made public.

Try him, convict him and lock him in a small, cold, steel-walled cell with no windows, no human contact and his meals slid to him though a slot.
If his argumentss will change people's minds, then people should hear it.
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If his argumentss will change people's minds, then people should hear it.


Because we want more right-wing murderers out there?
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Old 15th March 2019, 02:33 PM   #448
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Originally Posted by BobTheCoward View Post
If his argumentss will change people's minds, then people should hear it.
No, they should not.

It should even be sub judice so that it becomes illegal to report the words of the shooter.

Lock him up! Lock him up!
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It seems the killer had firearms license, issued in November 2017... the **** is really going to hit the fan over that. Heads may well roll!

I'm guessing that if a person's social media postings and profile haven't been looked at as far as meeting the "fit and proper person" threshold, they will be now.
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Originally Posted by BobTheCoward View Post
If his argumentss will change people's minds, then people should hear it.
That's a fantastic non-sequitur if i ever saw one.
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Old 15th March 2019, 02:42 PM   #451
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NZ Herald reports:

Shooter had 5 guns.

Camouflage wearer claims false arrest and intends to sue. He was picking up his child from school and cops held a gun to his head threatening to shoot him.

Still nothing about the two others being held, but nobody is talking about a second shooter at all.
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It seems the killer had firearms license, issued in November 2017... the **** is really going to hit the fan over that. Heads may well roll!

I'm guessing that if a person's social media postings and profile haven't been looked at as far as meeting the "fit and proper person" threshold, they will be now.
Does such a permit allow one to import a semiautomatic rifle? I was shocked to see such a weapon in NZ, I think because of Australia's ban on certain guns after the Port Arthur mass shooting.
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Originally Posted by William Parcher View Post
NZ Herald reports:

Shooter had 5 guns.

Camouflage wearer claims false arrest and intends to sue. He was picking up his child from school and cops held a gun to his head threatening to shoot him.

Still nothing about the two others being held, but nobody is talking about a second shooter at all.
My thought was leaning toward all three ending up unrelated to the act of terror.
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Old 15th March 2019, 02:53 PM   #454
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Because we want more right-wing murderers out there?
Violence is bad. But a person doesn't have a right to not be hated.
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Someone (Cullen?) said earlier that Christchurch Airport was closed because they don’t check baggage. Someone please say this isn’t so.
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Does such a permit allow one to import a semiautomatic rifle? I was shocked to see such a weapon in NZ, I think because of Australia's ban on certain guns after the Port Arthur mass shooting.
Did Australia actually ban semi-automatic rifles, though? My understanding is that they had a voluntary amnesty, and also still permit such weapons.
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Originally Posted by BobTheCoward View Post
Violence is bad. But a person doesn't have a right to not be hated.
I would ask any other poster what they mean by this, but....nah!
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Originally Posted by BobTheCoward View Post
Violence is bad. But a person doesn't have a right to not be hated.
Yes lets sell terrorists the guns that they will shoot us to death us with. Brilliant idea!
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To clarify: No one was standing behind him. He experimented with an online marketing service called fiver, where you pay as little as $5 to have someone film a message. He wanted to see if the site had any oversight as to what kind of messages were allowed. Two men, who seemingly did not speak any English, made a sign with the message he had sent, and held it up for the camera. He unintentionally highlighted a potential exploit in a service and was shocked that they actually allowed it. Fiverr then took steps to have more oversight and control over what messages could be read through their site.

I give him a pass on saying the word "******" while playing PUBG and live streaming, since it was out of frustration and in the heat of the moment. He didn't know the other player or their race. He immediately apologized the second the words left his mouth. I have heard far worse on XBOX live where online games can become really intense and emotional situations, where some even get physically destructive.

He went from obscurity to having over 89 milllion subscribers in just a few years using a medium that was largely unexplored territory. There were no steps to follow. He was bound to make mistakes along the way. Its been a learning process for everyone. I have no doubt he will take this tragedy to heart.
Sorry,but that is really weak excuse making.
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Did Australia actually ban semi-automatic rifles, though? My understanding is that they had a voluntary amnesty, and also still permit such weapons.
Incorrrect. They are restricted to police (specialist squads usually) and the military.
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Peter Bergen, an expert on terrorism points out that, ironically enough, the shooter seems to have been using a lot of the same tactics as the ISIS extremists:

https://www.cnn.com/2019/03/15/opini...gen/index.html
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He should be in court shortly; I presume we will learn his name then.
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Originally Posted by dudalb View Post
He should be in court shortly; I presume we will learn his name then.
We knew his name yesterday.
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I would ask any other poster what they mean by this, but....nah!
Ditto. Resist.
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He should be in court shortly; I presume we will learn his name then.
His name's out there already, and that he's Australian.
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We knew his name yesterday.
GOd, you are right. Don't see how I missed that.
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GOd, you are right. Don't see how I missed that.
Now that you know, does it matter?
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Apologies if this got covered already, I just lost my mind over it...

Fox Analyst Decries NZ Attack, Calls Alleged Political Motive ‘Understandable’

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“It is very understandable what he is trying to do on a political level, obviously it’s horrific and it should be condemned completely on the action level,” Walid Phares told Fox News on Friday, before discussing the attention the shooter likely wants to bring to his ideological beliefs through the attack and trial.
Somehow he goes on to declare how the Arab and Muslim world need to do something about this.

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“Mosques, churches have been attacked by extremists on all sides. But what is interesting here is that this individual allegedly has been inspired by an ideology that claims that you should take action, violent action, against immigrants or members of the Islamic faith, that is something that the government in New Zealand and around the world both in the Arab world, Muslim world needs to take action against.”
Not to mention, ehhh, you just made a call to action, sir...

He then went on to tweet, blaming Iran for twisting his words and making him look bad.

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The song playing through all of this is Fire by Arthur Brown. Again like some sort of spree killer video game or a movie.
He used the computer game Fortnite as practice for the plan. Sounds like he played it fairly faithfully.

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CNN says that only one person died at the hospital.

A witness at Al Noor says it took police 20 minutes to arrive when it should have taken about 2 minutes.

I have no idea if any of this stuff is true.
One dead after getting to hospital is correct.

It was never going to take the cops 2 minutes to get there. It might have taken 2 minutes to get a cop there, but they'd have needed to get guns first.

It's somewhat ironic that cops in Chch had been routinely carrying guns for the last couple of weeks due to them hunting for an armed offender, but they'd just stopped doing only days prior.

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Try him, convict him and lock him in a small, cold, steel-walled cell with no windows, no human contact and his meals slid to him though a slot.
Yeah, and then could sue Corrections and get more publicity. Treat him like Breivik.

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Someone (Cullen?) said earlier that Christchurch Airport was closed because they don’t check baggage. Someone please say this isn’t so.
Airport was closed, but they certainly check baggage there.

Culley - see the bloke was living in Dunedin and originally planned the attack in that city but went north for unknown reasons.
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His name was known immediately because he was live streaming using his own account which is his actual name.

Close family friends say they think he may have become radicalized after his father died in 2010. He then began travelling extensively all over the world and seemed to have changed.

IMO, world travel tends to do the opposite and that xenophobic radicalization would happen more often for a person hunkering down in the homeland and not going anywhere else. I could be wrong.
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Apologies if this got covered already, I just lost my mind over it...

Fox Analyst Decries NZ Attack, Calls Alleged Political Motive ‘Understandable’



Somehow he goes on to declare how the Arab and Muslim world need to do something about this.



Not to mention, ehhh, you just made a call to action, sir...

He then went on to tweet, blaming Iran for twisting his words and making him look bad.
Looks like a pretty straightforward, "the ends are understandable, but don't justify the means" type argument.
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I read that the Muslims at these mosques are almost entirely from India, Bangladesh and Indonesia.
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I think the quote system doesn't work if you have javascript disabled
It wasn't disabled. But doesn't matter....


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I refer you back to my earlier post about sentencing in NZ

http://www.internationalskeptics.com...4#post12633244


However, I agree with the bulk of your sentiment. There should be no media coverage of the trial except that it is happening. No coverage of anything he says, no reporting of his defense. There should be no way for his vile rhetoric and despicable views to be made public.

Try him, convict him and lock him in a small, cold, steel-walled cell with no windows, no human contact and his meals slid to him though a slot.
I understand, as I said in my origional Grand Tyrant post, that the legal system requires a trial. But to what purpose in this particular case?


How much money will the NZ government waste on proving this person guilty of murders he proudly filmed himself doing? Use that money to help the relatives of the victims, to better help New Zealanders lose any prejudices and integrate immigrants into general society, to better the society as a whole.
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Looks like a pretty straightforward, "the ends are understandable, but don't justify the means" type argument.
Ok, but try making the equivalent point on Fox News about an Arab or Muslim attacker.

That and the sheer audacity of concluding that a Mosque shooting is something the "Arab, Muslim world" needs to do something about.
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It wasn't disabled. But doesn't matter....




I understand, as I said in my origional Grand Tyrant post, that the legal system requires a trial. But to what purpose in this particular case?


How much money will the NZ government waste on proving this person guilty of murders he proudly filmed himself doing? Use that money to help the relatives of the victims, to better help New Zealanders lose any prejudices and integrate immigrants into general society, to better the society as a whole.
Why is education of New Zealanders an issue? The shooter was an immigrant. From Australia.
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I haven't seen the original quote, but I just heard Sean Hannity on the radio raking Rep. Ocasio-Cortez over the coals for being so cruel and uncaring as to suggest that people consider doing something more substantial and practical than just offering thoughts and prayers.
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My warmest sympathy and best wishes goes out to the people of New Zealand after the horrible massacre in the Mosques.
I find it curious that this is the only time he did not offer "thoughts and prayers". I thought probably because he's not going to offer Christian prayers to any damn Muslims. He's shown enough dickishness in his past that this is a very real possibility.
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NZ Herald says the killer was smirking in court. Here is a photo showing him in court making a symbol with his hand. I don't know what it is, but it look like "okay".

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/a...ectid=12213236
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Looks like a pretty straightforward, "the ends are understandable, but don't justify the means" type argument.
The ends are just as horrific as the means though.
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Originally Posted by William Parcher View Post
NZ Herald says the killer was smirking in court. Here is a photo showing him in court making a symbol with his hand. I don't know what it is, but it look like "okay".

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/a...ectid=12213236
The sign means white power.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OK_ges...e_power_symbol

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The sign means white power.
Ugh. I suppose he will want a trial so that he can espouse his manifesto all through the proceedings.
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