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Old Today, 07:48 PM   #2561
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Originally Posted by SezMe View Post
True, but statues in the city square honor the Confederacy. That's wrong. Remembering our past IS important but has to be done factually and in context. Museums, for example, can tell a rounded picture of a man like Jackson that a monument standing isolated in a public place simply cannot.
History is held in books and libraries, not in statutes. It's the people who burn books one has to watch out for. The Nazis, for instance, who made quite a spectacle and feature of it.

What these statues can tell us, in historical terms, concerns the time and place they were erected, what they were intended to symbolise, and why it was felt necessary to make that point at that time.
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Originally Posted by CapelDodger View Post
History is held in books and libraries, not in statutes. It's the people who burn books one has to watch out for. The Nazis, for instance, who made quite a spectacle and feature of it.

What these statues can tell us, in historical terms, concerns the time and place they were erected, what they were intended to symbolise, and why it was felt necessary to make that point at that time.
Maybe we should keep the statues, but replace the plaques at their base.

"This is in memory of all those who were oppressed by the people who erected this monument, a monument that honored those who fought to enslave those same people. May we find a way to heal the wounds caused by monuments like this one."
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Old Today, 08:07 PM   #2563
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Originally Posted by Meadmaker View Post
Maybe we should keep the statues, but replace the plaques at their base.

"This is in memory of all those who were oppressed by the people who erected this monument, a monument that honored those who fought to enslave those same people. May we find a way to heal the wounds caused by monuments like this one."

"We know this isn't right, but we also don't want to do a damn thing about it."
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Old Today, 08:39 PM   #2564
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Originally Posted by NoahFence View Post
Tony Schwartz absolutely destroying Trump now. Says Trump resigns before the end of the year.

I don't think anybody actually exists that knows trump better than him.

Haha!

How's the schadenboner now kids?
I can't believe anyone who knows Trump could possibly imagine he would ever resign. That would be an admission of failure. He's incapable of doing that.
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Old Today, 08:46 PM   #2565
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Originally Posted by abaddon View Post
Read Exodus 21 and try and say that with a straight face. It's a slavery instruction manual.
Yeah, that does give an implicit endorsement of slavery (which is why southerners used it for support), and I'd agree that it does therefore condone it, so I'll retract that, but what I meant by "just accepted" is that it specifies how slaves should be treated without explicitly addressing the morality of slavery per se. It was just part of the culture and the common law.
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Originally Posted by Trebuchet View Post
I can't believe anyone who knows Trump could possibly imagine he would ever resign. That would be an admission of failure. He's incapable of doing that.
Schwartz says "resign and declare victory", which seems likely. He'll tell us about all the great things he's done, then announce that he's resigning because Washington is too dysfunctional for him to get anything done and because he's being unfairly persecuted.

I'm still betting on stroke or nervous breakdown though.
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Originally Posted by Modified View Post
I'm still betting on stroke or nervous breakdown though.
The latter may have already happened.
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Old Today, 09:24 PM   #2568
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Originally Posted by Trebuchet View Post
I can't believe anyone who knows Trump could possibly imagine he would ever resign. That would be an admission of failure. He's incapable of doing that.

He doesn't have to admit to it. Remember, he just disbanded two business councils, because too many of their members were quitting in protest, and tried to pass it off as altruistic.
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Old Today, 09:36 PM   #2569
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Originally Posted by Meadmaker View Post
The latter [stroke] may have already happened.
Hmmm, I've been wondering if Pence cut his Panama trip short to be on 25th Amendment standby...
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