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The reason I stopped arguing with 9/11 CTists is because the positions didn't need refuting. That can happen in other areas as well. There isn't much here that needs refutation.
Flynn committed crimes. He got caught. He confessed. He worked diligently with Mueller to provide information to help his, personal, case. Those are facts. Completely and entirely indisputable. Any argument claiming any of those facts are wrong is incorrect and would require extraordinary evidence. None of which has been provided here. |
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Curious that you don't address how he got caught.
Even more curious that you don't address why he confessed. Most curious that he only worked to help himself and not the president of the United States to which he owed a constitutional blood oath. Don't you think? No? Well OK, if you want to just look at pertinent facts and not be distracted by shiny balls . . . squirrel! |
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Continually pushing the boundaries of mediocrity. Everything is possible, but not everything is probable. For if a man pretend to me that God hath spoken to him supernaturally, and immediately, and I make doubt of it, I cannot easily perceive what argument he can produce to oblige me to believe it. Hobbes |
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Say, what's going on International "Skeptics" Forum?
lack of any curiosity about the 302's and "fortuitous" leak to WaPo.... "completely and entirely indisputable"... "constitutional blood oath"... Hoo boy, has this thread gone off the rails.... It is adorable that simply because has agreed to a plea bargain that they committed a crime. Poor Flynn got swallowed up in a perjury trap. Thanks Obama. |
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"All acts performed in the world begin in the imagination."--Barbara Grizzuti Harrison “There are times when the mind is dealt such a blow it hides itself in insanity. While this may not seem beneficial, it is. There are times when reality is nothing but pain, and to escape that pain the mind must leave reality behind.” - Patrick Rothfuss |
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True, except it's more "Why are you charging the mule for running a red light when you found a suitcase full of drugs in their car and they're cooperating with the prosecution? "
Although to be fair to The Big Dog, they might actually be as competent at law as Trump's lawyers. |
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Great minds think...
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As we say in North Dakota "ope!"
The word gets thrown around entirely too much. Not everyone here is a skeptic (I certainly don't consider my self one. Maybe an "in-training", but the word means something), and I don't think a lot of people understand what it means anymore. |
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So who leaked the surveillance of the Flynn call to the ambassador to CIA lackey David Ignatius?
Comey (one of the few people he followed on twitter before his handle was exposed)? Or John Brennan? (spittle soaked anti-Trump fanatic). Hmmm.... why not both? |
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"All acts performed in the world begin in the imagination."--Barbara Grizzuti Harrison “There are times when the mind is dealt such a blow it hides itself in insanity. While this may not seem beneficial, it is. There are times when reality is nothing but pain, and to escape that pain the mind must leave reality behind.” - Patrick Rothfuss |
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I consider myself a skeptic. But that doesn't mean I don't make up my mind. I am more than willing to reconsider when good evidence is provided on a subject. TBD has a tendency to toss conservative CT theories and then suggest that others are not really skeptics since we don't consider them.
Weird. I'm from Sioux City and I never heard that one. |
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I can certainly agree there are skeptics here. There are people I love reading, and people I just gloss over when I see their names. It isn't politically motivated either. I roam over both sides LoL. As I'm sure many to do me as well.
I bet I hear it 10-12 times a day. |
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Continually pushing the boundaries of mediocrity. Everything is possible, but not everything is probable. For if a man pretend to me that God hath spoken to him supernaturally, and immediately, and I make doubt of it, I cannot easily perceive what argument he can produce to oblige me to believe it. Hobbes |
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But... people did ask who Deep Throat was... for years, it was a big deal.
I think it is more like asking did the CIA deliberately leak surveillance audio of a perfectly legal transaction involving a US Citizen for purely political purposes, and if so, why haven't the people responsible been put in ******* jail? |
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What "surveillance tapes"? The article in question makes no reference to any surveillance tapes. What it says is:
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There was a later leak which revealed that Flynn had lied and that there were tapes of his conversation, but still no reference to the tapes being leaked. So what are you talking about? |
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These molehills just keep getting smaller and harder to find.
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Continually pushing the boundaries of mediocrity. Everything is possible, but not everything is probable. For if a man pretend to me that God hath spoken to him supernaturally, and immediately, and I make doubt of it, I cannot easily perceive what argument he can produce to oblige me to believe it. Hobbes |
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Damn right, another good post by you!
molehill: hey this guy maybe told not fully consistent things about this perfectly legal thing he did. Prosecute him to the fullest extent of the law! 0 to 14 days in jail. Mountain: Hey what about the CIA leaks? Hello? Anyone home? Crickets. |
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Where did you get the information about the contents of the phonecalls from? Have you heard the tapes? Or is it possible to acquire information in a different way?
If you want to convince people that the tapes themselves have been leaked, then you'll have to provide a better argument than that there is no evidence that the tapes themselves have been leaked. Denying that people have the ability to convey information to other people is not a better argument. |
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Because we have a troll president, supported by other trolls, and we have even non-trolls supporting them with the same troll arguments.
Their arguments and views are those we have to deal with. I understand there is the balance of giving them credence by addressing them at all, and not allowing bad/stupid/irrational/hateful/utterly craven ideas to go unchallenged, but the former ship has sailed with them gaining political power. Do you see any Trump defender making any arguments substantially better? The only ones I can find are those that address only the accusations against Trump that are not supported or have evidence against them, and even then those people tend to then lump all accusations against Trump in with the weak ones. |
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