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Old 23rd January 2019, 08:39 PM   #3081
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Originally Posted by BobTheCoward View Post
Then I simply don't believe things.
Really? Do you test the weight carrying ability of every chair you sit down in before doing so, or do you believe that the manufacturer did their job satisfactorily and that the chair will hold your weight without collapsing?

Do you test all the food your eat, or do you take it on faith that the company followed FDA procedures and that the food is safe to consume?

Shall I continue?
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Old 23rd January 2019, 10:02 PM   #3082
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Get off my lawn! I'm old enough to have VOTED for Nixon. And did. In my defense, McGovern was a bit of a loon.
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Not to derail the thread, but no he wasn't. He was a WWII hero, a university professor, and a respected member of the House and Senate. He got some bad campaign advice, and he was the subject of Nixon dirty tricks. But if McGovern had been elected, there would no Watergate scandal (the break-in happened during the campaign, but most of the cover-up was after the election) and no Nixon resignation-before-impeachment, and we would have gotten out of Vietnam years earlier, saving thousands of American lives and hundreds of thousands of Vietnamese lives.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_McGovern

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Old 23rd January 2019, 10:26 PM   #3083
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Originally Posted by Bob001 View Post
Not to derail the thread, but no he wasn't. He was a WWII hero, a university professor, and a respected member of the House and Senate. He got some bad campaign advice, and he was the subject of Nixon dirty tricks. But if McGovern had been elected, there would no Watergate scandal (the break-in happened during the campaign, but most of the cover-up was after the election) and no Nixon resignation-before-impeachment, and we would have gotten out of Vietnam years earlier, saving thousands of American lives and hundreds of thousands of Vietnamese lives.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_McGovern
Thank you for saying so. I wanted to reply then worried about thread rules. Nixon and the GOP were just as good back then at pushing a message as they are today.
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Old 23rd January 2019, 10:28 PM   #3084
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Nothing is believable without evidence.
I take it then that you are an atheist?
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Old 23rd January 2019, 10:30 PM   #3085
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Not to derail the thread, but no he wasn't. He was a WWII hero, a university professor, and a respected member of the House and Senate. He got some bad campaign advice, and he was the subject of Nixon dirty tricks. But if McGovern had been elected, there would no Watergate scandal (the break-in happened during the campaign, but most of the cover-up was after the election) and no Nixon resignation-before-impeachment, and we would have gotten out of Vietnam years earlier, saving thousands of American lives and hundreds of thousands of Vietnamese lives.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_McGovern
Which is why I voted for him in my first election.
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Old 23rd January 2019, 10:35 PM   #3086
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But if McGovern had been elected, there would no Watergate scandal (the break-in happened during the campaign, but most of the cover-up was after the election) and no Nixon resignation-before-impeachment, and we would have gotten out of Vietnam years earlier, saving thousands of American lives and hundreds of thousands of Vietnamese lives.
On the last bit, are you sure you're not thinking of McCarthy? By the time of Nixon's second inauguration it's pretty clear U.S. involvement was going to end soon.
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Old 23rd January 2019, 10:38 PM   #3087
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Originally Posted by Tsukasa Buddha View Post
Looks like Cohen is making a play for witness intimidation:



Linky.

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Thug "Fixer" gets thugged by Thug "Boss".

This whole 3-ring circus just keeps getting more and more entertaining by the day...





And the wheels on the bus go round and round, round and round, round and round. All through the town!

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Old 23rd January 2019, 10:46 PM   #3088
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Really? Do you test the weight carrying ability of every chair you sit down in before doing so, or do you believe that the manufacturer did their job satisfactorily and that the chair will hold your weight without collapsing?

Do you test all the food your eat, or do you take it on faith that the company followed FDA procedures and that the food is safe to consume?

Shall I continue?
This is a detail.
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Old 23rd January 2019, 10:46 PM   #3089
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On the last bit, are you sure you're not thinking of McCarthy? By the time of Nixon's second inauguration it's pretty clear U.S. involvement was going to end soon.
It continued for two more years, until April 1975, and ended catastrophically for the Vietnamese and for the U.S. I think McGovern would have negotiated us out earlier, on better terms.
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Old 23rd January 2019, 10:47 PM   #3090
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On the last bit, are you sure you're not thinking of McCarthy? By the time of Nixon's second inauguration it's pretty clear U.S. involvement was going to end soon.
No, McGovern was an early critic of our involvement in Vietnam. He ran on getting us out ASAP.
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Old 24th January 2019, 02:10 AM   #3091
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Old 24th January 2019, 04:31 AM   #3092
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My pick of the replies, this person's sense of humor is one I can relate to...
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Old 24th January 2019, 05:14 AM   #3093
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My pick of the replies, this person's sense of humor is one I can relate to...
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‏ I blame the weasel who crawled into the wiring at the Hadron collider in Switzerland about three years ago. The short knocked us into a parallel universe. We will get back to normal when they repair it. That theory makes the most sense to me.
Nice.
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Old 24th January 2019, 06:09 AM   #3094
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They'll just need to wait for a particular thing to come out or happen (documentary evidence of Trump doing something that nobody can deny is a felony, or perhaps something like caving on the wall), and they can talk about how he's not the man they thought he was, how he betrayed them and America, etc.
That's what the Dallas Morning News did when Nixon resigned.

The day after Nixon's resignation, the Dallas Morning News ran a front-page mea culpa admitting they had been wrong to support Nixon throughout the Watergate scandalóbut they couldn't possibly have known Nixon was a crook until he admitted it by resigning, so they had actually been more right than everyone who had criticized Nixon before the resignation, because none of that criticism was based on evidence, because there was no genuine evidence of wrongdoing until Nixon provided evidence by resigning.

That's a paraphrase, of course, but it isn't any more ridiculous than what they said in their front-page editorial.
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Originally Posted by Squeegee Beckenheim View Post
They'll just need to wait for a particular thing to come out or happen (documentary evidence of Trump doing something that nobody can deny is a felony, or perhaps something like caving on the wall), and they can talk about how he's not the man they thought he was, how he betrayed them and America, etc. Basically the same line that other right-wing pundits such as Ann Coulter have taken when it's looked like turning on him was the right thing to do.
"I am shocked - shocked! - to discover that this lying POS is a lying POS".
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"I am shocked - shocked! - to discover that this lying POS is a lying POS".
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Old 24th January 2019, 08:20 AM   #3097
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Originally Posted by CapelDodger View Post
"I am shocked - shocked! - to discover that this lying POS is a lying POS".
Reminds me of something I heard at work from a Trump supporter. He said he thought a lot of the criticism Trump gets is unfair. He said, "Come on, everybody knew this guy lies all the time. That he was basically a sleaze. This is news?"
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Reminds me of something I heard at work from a Trump supporter. He said he thought a lot of the criticism Trump gets is unfair. He said, "Come on, everybody knew this guy lies all the time. That he was basically a sleaze. This is news?"
Did you ask the obvious follow-up: "So why did you vote for him?"
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Old 24th January 2019, 10:58 AM   #3099
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Get off my lawn! I'm old enough to have VOTED for Nixon. And did. In my defense, McGovern was a bit of a loon.

We need an acronym for C.R.A.P.P.E.
Hmm...Committee of Republicans Against Pretty-much Practically Everything?
I prefer this

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How about the Committee for the Re-Election of Trump In November?
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Old 24th January 2019, 11:00 AM   #3100
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That's what the Dallas Morning News did when Nixon resigned.

The day after Nixon's resignation, the Dallas Morning News ran a front-page mea culpa admitting they had been wrong to support Nixon throughout the Watergate scandalóbut they couldn't possibly have known Nixon was a crook until he admitted it by resigning, so they had actually been more right than everyone who had criticized Nixon before the resignation, because none of that criticism was based on evidence, because there was no genuine evidence of wrongdoing until Nixon provided evidence by resigning.

That's a paraphrase, of course, but it isn't any more ridiculous than what they said in their front-page editorial.

In 2016, most leading newspapers, including ones with staunch Republican reputations, endorsed Clinton or no one. When Trump is finally pushed out, one way or another, their editorials will begin "We told you so!"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newspa...ntial_election

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Old 24th January 2019, 11:07 AM   #3101
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Did you ask the obvious follow-up: "So why did you vote for him?"
Yes. His answer was, "He's the only one willing to stand up and stop all this crap." I let it go at that.
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Old 24th January 2019, 11:15 AM   #3102
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Trump tweets

So interesting that bad lawyer Michael Cohen, who sadly will not be testifying before Congress, is using the lawyer of Crooked Hillary Clinton to represent him - Gee, how did that happen? Remember July 4th weekend when Crooked went before FBI & wasn’t sworn in, no tape, nothing?
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Old 24th January 2019, 11:16 AM   #3103
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Trump is trying to intimidate witnesses.
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Old 24th January 2019, 11:17 AM   #3104
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Yes. His answer was, "He's the only one willing to stand up and stop all this crap." I let it go at that.
I wouldn't.
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Old 24th January 2019, 11:29 AM   #3105
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Trump tweets

So interesting that bad lawyer Michael Cohen, who sadly will not be testifying before Congress, is using the lawyer of Crooked Hillary Clinton to represent him - Gee, how did that happen? Remember July 4th weekend when Crooked went before FBI & wasn’t sworn in, no tape, nothing?

Is that you, Donald T.? It sure sounds like one his tweets. Lying to a federal law enforcement officer can always be prosecuted as a felony. The witness doesn't have to be sworn. And -- for better or worse -- the FBI doesn't record any interviews. They prepare detailed notes on a 302 form.
https://jonathanturley.org/2013/05/1...nterrogations/
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Is that you, Donald T.? It sure sounds like one his tweets. Lying to a federal law enforcement officer can always be prosecuted as a felony. The witness doesn't have to be sworn. And -- for better or worse -- the FBI doesn't record any interviews. They prepare detailed notes on a 302 form.
https://jonathanturley.org/2013/05/1...nterrogations/

Umm, feel awkward pointing this out but.. Look at the first two words you quoted.....

But yeah. Of course "Trump's an idiot who doesn't understand what he's talking about" is the answer.
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Trump tweets

So interesting that bad lawyer Michael Cohen, who sadly will not be testifying before Congress, is using the lawyer of Crooked Hillary Clinton to represent him - Gee, how did that happen? Remember July 4th weekend when Crooked went before FBI & wasnít sworn in, no tape, nothing?
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Is that you, Donald T.? It sure sounds like one his tweets. Lying to a federal law enforcement officer can always be prosecuted as a felony. The witness doesn't have to be sworn. And -- for better or worse -- the FBI doesn't record any interviews. They prepare detailed notes on a 302 form.
https://jonathanturley.org/2013/05/1...nterrogations/
Man, this guy is an idiot.
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Old 24th January 2019, 11:53 AM   #3108
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Umm, feel awkward pointing this out but.. Look at the first two words you quoted.....

But yeah. Of course "Trump's an idiot who doesn't understand what he's talking about" is the answer.
Well, I guess it is Donald T. As the newspapers used to say, "We regret our error."
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The Senate Intelligence Committee has served Michael Cohen with a subpoena. No comments from the senate committee so far.
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Yes. His answer was, "He's the only one willing to stand up and stop all this crap." I let it go at that.
"We knew Trump was full of lies and sleaze."

"Then why did you vote for him?"

"He's the only one willing to stand up and stop all this crap."

"What crap?"

"All the lies and sleaze in DC".
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Trump is trying to intimidate witnesses.
Not trying. He did. Cohen is afraid for his family now.
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It continued for two more years, until April 1975, and ended catastrophically for the Vietnamese and for the U.S. I think McGovern would have negotiated us out earlier, on better terms.
History.com's "on this day" for March 29 says that in 1973, U.S. withdraws from Vietnam
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Two months after the signing of the Vietnam peace agreement, the last U.S. combat troops leave South Vietnam as Hanoi frees the remaining American prisoners of war held in North Vietnam. Americaís direct eight-year intervention in the Vietnam War was at an end. In Saigon, some 7,000 U.S. Department of Defense civilian employees remained behind to aid South Vietnam in conducting what looked to be a fierce and ongoing war with communist North Vietnam.
I gotta wonder just what the job was of the 7,000 "Defense Department civilian employees" left behind, but March 29, 1973 seems to be the standard date in terms of U.S. troops leaving Vietnam. The last Americans were flown out on April 30, 1975.

I don't know what McGovern could have done to accelerate U.S. troop withdrawal - it seems to have been put into motion soon after Nixon's second inauguration.

Sorry to add to a derail. I am curious about this but don't want to jack the thread.
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The Senate Intelligence Committee has served Michael Cohen with a subpoena. No comments from the senate committee so far.

The Senate Intelligence Committee?
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The Senate Intelligence Committee?
More Intimidation and Obstruction.
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I'm truly disappointed because I am really looking forward to his testimony but I think this is a good play on his part. It brings attention to Trump's witness tampering and it helps the case for obstruction of justice. Maybe his father in law is a criminal, I don't know but in that case, it would make any efforts to go after him appear political.
I tend to credit Cummings on this. He's a pretty cagey player. He was always one step ahead of the Benghazi>>Emails GOP tribalists. He's the one coming out with the harsher words, probably hoping if not outright knowing that Trump will associate any Cummings' statement with Cohen and that he won't be able to resist threatening him even more directly. (He could always call Giuliani for advice! Rudi will probably suggest "you know I know a guy who knows about that thing that we were talking about doing wit' dat guy".And then go on Meet the Press two weeks later and explain that the President has the same rights as everyone else to order a cement overcoat if he wants one.)
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Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza View Post
More Intimidation and Obstruction.
As intimidating as possible, I would expect. There will be a laser focus on Cohen himself but nothing to do with Trump.
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Old 25th January 2019, 04:08 AM   #3118
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Originally Posted by Belz... View Post
How about the Committee for the Re-Election of Trump In November?

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Old 25th January 2019, 04:28 AM   #3119
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Originally Posted by a_unique_person View Post
As intimidating as possible, I would expect. There will be a laser focus on Cohen himself but nothing to do with Trump.
The committee makeup will not be in Trump's favor. He has a number of lapdogs in there but he's also got Collins and Sasse on the GOP side of the ledger. Neither is going to be flogging Trump's petunias, so their majority evaporates if they have to vote on anything. Yeah, Burr can have the subpoena issued but it's hard to see what they will get done. I'm sure TBD and Ziggurat will be along shortly to explain how this is just an elaborate perjury trap. Someone, notably Barr probably believes the crap they hear on Ingraham and that Cohen will be caught out "when the truth is revealed,... after these messages from our sponsor". The Senate leaders for both parties are also both ex officio members so I'd imagine they'll be attending.

In addition to the No Solid Vote GOPers(Collins and Sasse), the Dems don't exactly have a bunch of lightweights.... Mark Warner, Kamala Harris, Diane Feinstein....

I think what you're going to get is going to be lightweight. The Dems will be reporting back to the House and Barr will be doing a rendition of The Midnight Ride of Devin Nunes.
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Roger Stone has been arrested on 7 charges of obstruction, witness tampering and making false statements
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