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"The mob takes the Fifth Amendment" ... " If you're innocent, why are you taking the Fifth Amendment?" -Trump
Roger Stone invokes Fifth Amendment in Senate Russia probe: https://edition.cnn.com/2018/12/04/p...ent/index.html |
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Lolz alright. If you stopped for a moment to think about why that is, before smart-mouthing off, you be able to work out for yourself, er, why that is. Mueller has gone to great lengths to say how useful and how timely Flynn's co-operation has been.
Pro-tip: If you think Mueller is talking to the judge when he says all this stuff, you're looking in the wrong place. |
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But, yeah, basically as we expected: Flynn has been meeting with Mueller a lot, and has given him a lot of information he considers useful. Given the extent of the information, Mueller is searching for leniency to send a signal out to the Roger Stones of this world.
If people in Trump's orbit are sensible and intelligent they'll look at the treatment of Flynn by Mueller and look at the treatment of Cohen by Trump and decide that they're better off cooperating than they are in being "loyal" and hoping for a pardon. That's quite a big "if", though. |
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Your keen legal mind seems to have missed a point: The reason Flynn is only looking at 6 months tops, regardless of Mueller's recommendation, is because that's what the plea deal was: only one offense and assign it the least serious category for sentencing purposes.
Flynn gave Mueller "substantial assistance" (apparently including emails and texts) in his investigation of "coordination between the Russian government and individuals associated with the Trump campaign" and two other cases. It seems you're trying very hard to not understand what that means for anyone holding "no collusion" shares on predictit.org. lolz. |
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Serious question:
Parts of the Mueller memo on Flynn are blacked out. Is that only for the public, or does even the judge not get to read the full text? |
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HI! Thanks for the link to the "tweet"!
You don't really say why anyone should waste their time, so I suspect if you will have no problem whatsoever if I point out that no one should bother because your article does not even mention that the range is 0-6 months! |
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It's only 0-6 months because that's what Mueller let it be in the plea bargain. This has been explained to you ad nauseum. By continuing to ignore this extremely blatant fact you've only shown that you have absolutely no rebuttal to put forth.
The 0-6 ratio is only important to you. |
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One thing that is notable about the Mueller document is that it mentions that the FBI began investigating Flynn based on an article in the WaPo which in turn was based on the illegal leak of the Flynn call to the Russian Ambassador.
"Curious" that Mueller has not investigated that felony... "curious" indeed. Might explain another reason why Bobby recommended zero jail time. |
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"All acts performed in the world begin in the imagination."--Barbara Grizzuti Harrison “There are times when the mind is dealt such a blow it hides itself in insanity. While this may not seem beneficial, it is. There are times when reality is nothing but pain, and to escape that pain the mind must leave reality behind.” - Patrick Rothfuss |
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What makes you think he hasn't?
Ninja'd by the Plague.. ![]() I think it's absurd to think Mueller hasn't. My guess is Mueller and Comey's investigation of Flynn was more thorough than any exam performed by the best proctologist. Keep in mind that Flynn's actions that led to the wider Russia investigation. That we don't know is simply a demonstration of Mueller's professionalism. |
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"Curious" as to why sensible people don't use the ignore function on trolls.
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No it doesn't. It says that the article was published days before Flynn's first interview, and that other members of Trump's transition team had made public statements on the same subject.
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Golly, did you have some information that it was the subject of an investigation? Because one would have thought that it would have been mentioned in the sentencing report, because Flynn was in fact the victim of that felony.
I assume given your post that you have a layer of substantive evidence that has thus far eluded us. As such regale us with the facts, regale away! |
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TBD is just repeating Trump's debunked line of "why isn't he investigating the other side?!?!"
Which the obvious answer is, "He's investigating anything in relation to the Russia investigation, no matter who that happens to be or their political affiliation." Mueller wasn't tasked with Hillary's emails. Why would he investigate them? Deal. No arsing Squeegee. Check |
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Hmm, the in-curiosity of who in the Obama administration leaked the surveillance tapes to WaPo.
I wonder why Mueller graced the sentencing memo with a reference to waPo's article, which was based on a leak, without mentioning it was leaked.... Hmmm. |
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We are now in the "Why are you pulling me over for running a red light when there are murderers and rapists roaming the streets?" level of apologetics.
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Oh dear, whether or not I have acknowledged that it was a crime (it wasn't) surely your post could not possibly have meant that... lets break it down:
"Why are you pulling me over for running a red light" hmmm I am the Scum that statement right there assumes that a crime was indeed committed. Perhaps you want to reignite those engines and start again (and also leave the false claims about misrepresenting sources in the trash where it belongs, not only because it is false, but also because has **** all to do with your claim) Waiting with anticipation! |
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As democracy is perfected, the office represents, more and more closely, the inner soul of the people. We move toward a lofty ideal. On some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last, and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron. - Henry Louis Mencken - Baltimore Evening Sun, July 26, 1920 |
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As democracy is perfected, the office represents, more and more closely, the inner soul of the people. We move toward a lofty ideal. On some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last, and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron. - Henry Louis Mencken - Baltimore Evening Sun, July 26, 1920 |
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As democracy is perfected, the office represents, more and more closely, the inner soul of the people. We move toward a lofty ideal. On some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last, and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron. - Henry Louis Mencken - Baltimore Evening Sun, July 26, 1920 |
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