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Old 15th November 2019, 07:55 AM   #121
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What is the deal with modern Turkish insistence on believing themselves special? Most other nationalities have outgrown that, or at least base it on something other than mere ancestry. Inferiority complex?
The bold bit, have they really? There are some obvious large nations that clearly haven't. Russia, China, Japan, the US.
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Old 15th November 2019, 08:10 AM   #122
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The bold bit, have they really? There are some obvious large nations that clearly haven't. Russia, China, Japan, the US.
But the US blind nationalism isn't based on ancestry: American exceptionalism is based on theory of government and philosophies of individual liberty, not on who our ancestors were.
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Old 15th November 2019, 09:45 AM   #123
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What is the deal with modern Turkish insistence on believing themselves special? Most other nationalities have outgrown that, or at least base it on something other than mere ancestry. Inferiority complex?


This sad little lizard told me that he was a brontosaurus on his
mother's side. I did not laugh; people who boast of ancestry often have
little else to sustain them. Humoring them costs nothing and adds to
happiness in a world in which happiness is always in short supply.
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Old 15th November 2019, 09:47 AM   #124
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But the US blind nationalism isn't based on ancestry: American exceptionalism is based on theory of government and philosophies of individual liberty, not on who our ancestors were.
Fair, though some folks would disagree. Still, there are lots of nations where nationalism is based on ancestry. I just question the notion that "most" nations have gotten over it. I don't know how you could measure it though. Are there polls out there asking, "Do you think folks of insert your ancestry/nationality here ancestry are special?"
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Old 15th November 2019, 09:57 AM   #125
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Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr View Post
Seljuk Turks ....

But other Turkish tribes came to Europe and Anatolia before.

All the white western peoples are Turks.
So the Greeks are Turks?
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Old 15th November 2019, 10:14 AM   #126
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What is the deal with modern Turkish insistence on believing themselves special? Most other nationalities have outgrown that, or at least base it on something other than mere ancestry. Inferiority complex?
I suspect it's all a distraction to avoid discussion of the Armenian genocide.
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Old 15th November 2019, 10:32 AM   #127
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Originally Posted by halleyscomet View Post
I suspect it's all a distraction to avoid discussion of the Armenian genocide.
Which is so childish. Why bother denying genocides? I'm American. My ancestors genocided the hell out of this continent, and tried it a few times elsewhere. I don't approve of it but the perpetrators are long dead. Even if they weren't dead they probably wouldn't care what I thought about it anyway. So why would I care to cover up their misdeeds? I got nothing at stake.
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Old 15th November 2019, 11:17 AM   #128
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So the Greeks are Turks?
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Old 15th November 2019, 11:17 AM   #129
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Originally Posted by Doubt View Post
So the Greeks are Turks?
I just saw a little of "My Big Fat Greek Wedding" this weekend. The father in that movie sounds very much like the OP, but Greek instead of Turkish. "There are two kinds of people. Greeks, and everyone else who wish they was Greek."
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Old 15th November 2019, 11:24 AM   #130
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Are you thinking of St George?
Man is older than Coal
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Old 15th November 2019, 11:42 AM   #131
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So the Greeks are Turks?
Yes, Turkic tribe

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Old 15th November 2019, 11:45 AM   #132
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From this we can conclude that almost nobody in either Greece or Turkey finds your arguments particularly compelling.
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Old 15th November 2019, 11:48 AM   #133
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The Turks<gibber snip>
Nope. Complete rubbish.
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Old 15th November 2019, 11:52 AM   #134
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About these Turks....does their cat's breath smell like cat food?
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Old 15th November 2019, 12:05 PM   #135
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I suspect that all Steppes people were Turks, therefore Europeans, Aryans, Mongols, and of course Turks are Turks.
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Old 15th November 2019, 12:32 PM   #136
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From the linked site:

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Have you ever wanted to know what mankind's civilizations looked like before the Great Flood? At last you can. They're being uncovered right now in Turkey and other parts of Central Asia.

We humans have been wrongly conditioned to regard such countries as Sumeria, Greece, Egypt, and China as the parents of all human civilizations. But Archeologists in Turkey and Central Asia are now finding extensive ruins of ancient civilizations predating the Great Flood by ten thousand years and even more! We are even finding out, through digs in Iran and other places, that there was not one "Noah's Ark", but perhaps many more. Other "Noah's Arks" are waiting to be discovered.
That's right folks. This post-digestion bovine feed stats off assuming a young Earth Creationist model and assumes a literal Noah's Ark. It further asserts "evidence" of a global flood. It then gets DUMBER from there.

The page reads like it was written by the product of a multi-generational inbreeding program featuring Flat Earthers, racists, and Young Earth Creationists.

Update: Emre_1974tr has GOT to be trolling us with that link. I checked out some of the other headlines on viewzone.com. It reads like a version of the Weekly World News that heavily plagiarizes the David Icke forums for source material.
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Old 15th November 2019, 01:41 PM   #137
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Old 15th November 2019, 01:54 PM   #138
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Come to think of it, I think I can name more civilizations that have held territory in what is now Turkey than civilizations who haven't. Everybody from the Egyptians to the Mongols!
Let's not forget Pontus, which was a major player for a number of years, and a thorn in Rome's side.
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Old 15th November 2019, 01:57 PM   #139
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What is the deal with modern Turkish insistence on believing themselves special? Most other nationalities have outgrown that, or at least base it on something other than mere ancestry. Inferiority complex?
I think they picked it up from their Russian neighbors...
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Update: Emre_1974tr has GOT to be trolling us with that link. I checked out some of the other headlines on viewzone.com. It reads like a version of the Weekly World News that heavily plagiarizes the David Icke forums for source material.
I don't think so; he's just seeking out any site that validates his crazy hypothesis. e.g., THE MAYANS WERE TAMILS.

The sumerian turks website linked earlier has "paleolinguistics," which appears about as sane as numerology in terms of the scientific method.
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Old 15th November 2019, 02:20 PM   #141
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I don't think so; he's just seeking out any site that validates his crazy hypothesis. e.g., THE MAYANS WERE TAMILS.

The sumerian turks website linked earlier has "paleolinguistics," which appears about as sane as numerology in terms of the scientific method.
This, I think he probably just googled, "Greeks are Turks" or something similar and that's what came up.
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Old 15th November 2019, 04:19 PM   #142
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This, I think he probably just googled, "Greeks are Turks" or something similar and that's what came up.
The early Greeks were in Anatolia. But they were not Turks. The Turks stated with tribal groups up in or near the caucuses. But the people of Turkmenistan do not consider themselves to be Turks and the Turks do not see themselves as the same as the people still living in the caucuses.

The only way the concept of all white people being Turks works is if Anatolia was always Turkey (it wasn't) and those people who did not speak Indo European languages are not real. This would make the Basque, Finns, Hungarians, and even Germans fake people. Well, the Germans are only half fake since there are some Indo European elements in German. Also the Etruscans would be mythical even though we have written examples of their language and the Romans wrote about them.
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