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Old 2nd February 2016, 11:53 AM   #41
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I capitalize Danish

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Some of our resident Swedes and other types of Scandinavians would say, "That's not a language" -- but I don't trifle with other people's in-jokes.

Really, you'd do better to write in danish, excuse me, Danish, and contract with a reputable translation service to render it down into English or some other known language. (Or Tokharian, or Runic Turkish? Oh, so many possibilities!) In the meantime, keep your amazing breakthrough secret. As secret as you can.


(This forum is not secret enough. Just a word to the, um, wise.)
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Old 2nd February 2016, 11:54 AM   #42
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It has been tested in many ways and experiment corresponds to theory. So any newly proposed theory would need to reduce to relativity in ordinary situations. Time really does slow when things go fast and closer to massive objects. This is a simple fact.
The best way to sell a lie is to wrap it into truth.
70% of SR and GR is wromng 30% correct
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Old 2nd February 2016, 11:55 AM   #43
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1. The GPS System is not a Scientific test system
It's a system that continuously tests scientific predictions. What else do you need?
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Old 2nd February 2016, 11:57 AM   #44
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That doesn't come even close to answering my question.

We speed up particles and it makes their decay rates greatly decrease exactly as special relativity predicts. If you don't accept that time dilation is real, what is your explanation for this phenomenon?
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Old 2nd February 2016, 11:57 AM   #45
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Dubble poste. Jeez, i kinda dumm.
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Old 2nd February 2016, 11:58 AM   #46
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Originally Posted by theprestige View Post
It's a system that continuously tests scientific predictions. What else do you need?
The Chernobyl Power Plant did that too
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Old 2nd February 2016, 12:02 PM   #47
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The Chernobyl Power Plant did that too
Yes it did. And the results of the Chernobyl test were entirely consistent with the scientific predictions.
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Old 2nd February 2016, 12:07 PM   #48
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So in other words, you have zero experimental data that contradicts predictions of relativity.

ETA: Geez, I tried to spend some time and figure out what the hell they were trying to do on the mercury page. Just complete and utter gobbly gook.
  1. Gravitational waves are never detected and never will
  2. GR have for example always been inconsistence with quantum physics
  3. Black Holes are inconsistence with the fact that information of light cannot be lost, inconsistence with quantum physics and mathematical nonsense
  4. Even Stephen hawking cannot believe the prevailing religion anymore

http://www.nature.com/news/stephen-h...-holes-1.14583
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Old 2nd February 2016, 12:08 PM   #49
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You shall only expect less than 5% of the GPS to reveal significant anomalies.
Clock synchronization happens automatically (controlled by computers) anomalies can easy be hidden.
Sorry, but you need to start dealing in facts. The GLONASS system does use something like you state, but not GPS. GPS clock rates are set at the factory using relativistic predictions. The onboard clock time is not corrected by "computers" or anything else.
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Old 2nd February 2016, 12:10 PM   #50
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That doesn't come even close to answering my question.

We speed up particles and it makes their decay rates greatly decrease exactly as special relativity predicts. If you don't accept that time dilation is real, what is your explanation for this phenomenon?
So what?
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Old 2nd February 2016, 12:12 PM   #51
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I call B. S.
ToR is no more a sacred cow than was Newtonian physics. Relativity managed to fill in blanks not explained by Newton such as the orbit of Mercury.
And that part of relativity is nonsence. RR is the correct answer
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Old 2nd February 2016, 12:17 PM   #52
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So what?
So, does your model explain the phenomenon or not?

The phenomenon exists. Relativity explains it. You deny relativity is real. Demonstrate how your model explains it.
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[*]Gravitational waves are never detected and never will
Current detection levels are consistent with the predictions of general relativity.

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[*]GR have for example always been inconsistence with quantum physics
Which if you had an experiment to test those regions, it'd be really nice. But you don't, so you don't have any experimental data that contradicts predictions.

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[*]Black Holes are inconsistence with the fact that information of light cannot be lost, inconsistence with quantum physics and mathematical nonsense
General relativity does not care how the quantum inconsistencies with black hole are solved, black holes operate as predicted by relativity.

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[*]Even Stephen hawking cannot believe the prevailing religion anymore
"Now Hawking proposes a third, tantalizingly simple, option. Quantum mechanics and general relativity remain intact, but black holes simply do not have an event horizon to catch fire. The key to his claim is that quantum effects around the black hole cause space-time to fluctuate too wildly for a sharp boundary surface to exist."

So he specifically is predicting here that any data we collect from black hole observations will match the predictions of general relativity. That's the exact opposite of what you are implying.

Once again, you have a post with zero experimental data that contradicts relativity.
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Perhaps twas a wormhole the Kumar used to travel to Denmark?
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Old 2nd February 2016, 01:41 PM   #58
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The best way to sell a lie is to wrap it into truth.
70% of SR and GR is wromng 30% correct
Who's doing this and why?
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Because clearly the ONLY reason any new and radical physics ideas are rejected is a mass conspiracy.
Which also neatly covers the bases for the predictions made in the OP. If (or more likely when) they are not found, it is because of this coverup.
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I call B. S.
ToR is no more a sacred cow than was Newtonian physics. Relativity managed to fill in blanks not explained by Newton such as the orbit of Mercury.

Relativity is highly unlikely to fall apary. More likely is that a new refinement will come along in the same manner as relativity refined Newtonian physics.
Considering the number of attempts to disprove it, by many means, it seems robust.
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So what?
If a particle has a half life of five minutes and you sample the decay rate of particles at non relativistic velocities, you will get a distribution around the mean of five minutes.

If you accelerate the same particles to relativistic velocities you will get a distribution around a mean that is larger than the average. because of time dilation.
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Current detection levels are consistent with the predictions of general relativity.
Rubbish, only loss of energy has been detected

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Which if you had an experiment to test those regions, it'd be really nice. But you don't, so you don't have any experimental data that contradicts predictions.

General relativity does not care how the quantum inconsistencies with black hole are solved, black holes operate as predicted by relativity.

"Now Hawking proposes a third, tantalizingly simple, option. Quantum mechanics and general relativity remain intact, but black holes simply do not have an event horizon to catch fire. The key to his claim is that quantum effects around the black hole cause space-time to fluctuate too wildly for a sharp boundary surface to exist."

So he specifically is predicting here that any data we collect from black hole observations will match the predictions of general relativity. That's the exact opposite of what you are implying.

Once again, you have a post with zero experimental data that contradicts relativity.
So what you say, huge conflicts in science doesn’t matter..

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So, does your model explain the phenomenon or not?

The phenomenon exists. Relativity explains it. You deny relativity is real. Demonstrate how your model explains it.
You cannot test it like that. If you still believe demonstrate it. It's yours idea
How would you test?
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Particles have a characteristic half life. If you accelerate them to near light speed, they experience time dilation relative to our frame and they decay at a greatly reduced rate.

In my undergraduate physics coursework we actually did this experiment with muons; it is a known and predictable effect.

How do you explain this effect under your model?
The particles are in on it.

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If you don't pray to the same god, you will very easy be kicked out
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If a particle has a half life of five minutes and you sample the decay rate of particles at non relativistic velocities, you will get a distribution around the mean of five minutes.

If you accelerate the same particles to relativistic velocities you will get a distribution around a mean that is larger than the average. because of time dilation.
And still you cannot use muons to test the new theory, if you still believe so, which experiment would you suggest. I am not saying SR doesn’t work, - but that it only work correct in an absolute dark flow motion reference frame..
So what ?
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We pray to the gods of Replicable Results, so yeah, probably.
Then we take the gods and beat them on the Rocks of Reason to see if they hold up.

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Sorry, but you need to start dealing in facts. The GLONASS system does use something like you state, but not GPS. GPS clock rates are set at the factory using relativistic predictions. The onboard clock time is not corrected by "computers" or anything else.
Rubbish, GPS would work at all if this was true
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You cannot test it like that. If you still believe demonstrate it. It's yours idea
How would you test?
So you're claiming that accelerated particles don't have a longer half life?

You disagree with the results of an experiment every undergraduate physics student has done?
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So you're claiming that accelerated particles don't have a longer half life?
WHY do you think that I claimed that nonsense?

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You disagree with the results of an experiment every undergraduate physics student has done?
Which ?
Can you mention one ?
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Can you mention one ?
Measure concentration of muons at a first altitude, measure velocity of muons (fraction of c), measure concentration of muons at a second altitude. Determine muon halflife at fraction of c velocity.

Trap muons. Determine muon halflife at low velocity.

Verify that difference is consistent with special relativity time dilation formula.

Does your model provide a different explanation?
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So what?
Originally Posted by Bjarne View Post
Rubbish, only loss of energy has been detected
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You cannot test it like that. If you still believe demonstrate it. It's yours idea
How would you test?
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And still you cannot use muons to test the new theory, if you still believe so, which experiment would you suggest. I am not saying SR doesn’t work, - but that it only work correct in an absolute dark flow motion reference frame..
So what ?
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Which ?
Can you mention one ?
What was that you were saying about results that disagree with Einstinian physics being brushed under the carpet? It's a good thing you're not doing anything like that for your theory.

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And that part of relativity is nonsence. RR is the correct answer
Relativity explains Mercury. Does EU? Is it more precise than ToR/ Where can we find the observations that demonstrate it?
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And still you cannot use muons to test the new theory, if you still believe so, which experiment would you suggest. I am not saying SR doesn’t work, - but that it only work correct in an absolute dark flow motion reference frame..
So what ?
I do not understand your reference to 'absolute dark flow motion reference frame'.

1. How would that impact accelerators at different orientations?
2. How would you test for it, that is the a d f motion reference frame?
3. How does you theory explain the extended half life of muons in accelerators in different orientations?
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So what you say, huge conflicts in science doesn’t matter..

Mein Got Walter
Of course they matter. Their existence does not make your pet theory any more robust until you demonstrate it predicts events better than the present theories.

I note that Hawking makes no mention of EU explaining the issue of Black Hole firewall. How does his new paper bolster your ideas at all? Hawkings paper supports you just as much as a Pixie Dust theory.
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Rubbish, GPS would work at all if this was true
You need to explain this a little more and your evidence that GPS systems on satellites are self adjusting.
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Rubbish, GPS would work at all if this was true
I take it you forgot to include a negative in that sentence.

GPS works.
GPS relies on predictions from Relativity.
How does EU explain that GPS does in fact work if based upon an erroneous theory?
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The theory of relativity is a holy cow, it is forbidden not to fall on you knees
A condescending non sequitur automatically falsifies all conclusions of the presenter that delivers it
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Hasn't anybody noticed he's pulling the old "If you can't prove me wrong, I'm right" trick? He stated his position, folks came up with reasons he's wrong, he challenges you to prove your objections are valid, and you - all fall for it. Or am I missing something?

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