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Old 22nd January 2019, 12:12 PM   #681
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Originally Posted by William Parcher View Post
I don't associate myself with any political party but the right wingers that I know personally do not equate previous greatness with some all-white period of American history. When was that period anyway?
I read that as alt-white for a second. Got me thinking...
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Old 22nd January 2019, 12:13 PM   #682
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Originally Posted by Imhotep View Post
I read that as alt-white for a second. Got me thinking...
Maybe non-white Trump supporters can be labeled as such from now on. You know, while we're at it.
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Old 22nd January 2019, 12:15 PM   #683
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I guess my observation is that everyone wants to toss people into one bucket or another, to categorize and label them.

When this process is interrupted or confused, it reveals how broken the whole thing* is.

*our national discourse, for lack of a better term

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Old 22nd January 2019, 12:16 PM   #684
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Originally Posted by Belz... View Post
Maybe non-white Trump supporters can be labeled as such from now on. You know, while we're at it.
Haha, there you go.
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Old 22nd January 2019, 12:20 PM   #685
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More video from the Actual Hate group attacking the native Americans, and women.

https://twitter.com/almostjingo/stat...24658753003520

And "Elder" Phillips called them the "prey"

and the Indians are out protesting outside the boy's school which is closed because of death threats.

What an incredible scam these race hustlers have pulled
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Old 22nd January 2019, 12:21 PM   #686
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Originally Posted by William Parcher View Post
I remember when America was great and it was full of foreigners and immigrants. My own ancestors, two generations before me, were foreign immigrants.
I知 an immigrant. I guess I知 partially to blame for America not being great anymore.
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Old 22nd January 2019, 12:24 PM   #687
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Originally Posted by Shalamar View Post
I知 an immigrant. I guess I知 partially to blame for America not being great anymore.
BUILD THE WALL!
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Old 22nd January 2019, 12:26 PM   #688
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Originally Posted by rdwight View Post
Have any videos come out showing the students chanting 'build that wall'? I saw multiple news reports referencing this happening, and even upon updates after the full video was released only mention 'they were not audible by the video', but never a retraction of the claim. Guess I find it hard to believe that with so many people videoing the encounter that such a claim remains reported but unsubstantiated.

Doesn't matter too much but irks me for some reason.
CNN says they haven't found any, and by golly, you know they looked and looked for it.
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Old 22nd January 2019, 12:28 PM   #689
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Originally Posted by Belz... View Post
BUILD THE WALL!
It would have to be a much bigger wall to have kept me out.
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Old 22nd January 2019, 12:29 PM   #690
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Originally Posted by The Big Dog View Post
More video from the Actual Hate group attacking the native Americans, and women.

https://twitter.com/almostjingo/stat...24658753003520

And "Elder" Phillips called them the "prey"

and the Indians are out protesting outside the boy's school which is closed because of death threats.

What an incredible scam these race hustlers have pulled
Close enough

Who hoo!
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Old 22nd January 2019, 12:29 PM   #691
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Originally Posted by smartcooky View Post
So a steel worker in 1930's Germany, who sees jobs returning to their industry and is in line for his biggest pay rise in a decade, who wants to show his support for the guy who made it happen by wearing a Swastika, is by default a Nazi simply for that reason? It's madness.
It would be madness if anyone equated deportation with gas chambers. Pure madness.
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Originally Posted by Shalamar View Post
It would have to be a much bigger wall to have kept me out.
What are you, some kind of Kaiju?
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Old 22nd January 2019, 12:30 PM   #693
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Originally Posted by Shalamar View Post
It would have to be a much bigger wall to have kept me out.
Build the moat?
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Originally Posted by Belz... View Post
What are you, some kind of Kaiju?
I could be.

But think much longer. And more north.
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Originally Posted by Belz... View Post
What are you, some kind of Kaiju?
He has a Light Sabre, and isn't afraid to use it.
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Originally Posted by Imhotep View Post
Build the moat?
Build the dome.

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Old 22nd January 2019, 12:33 PM   #697
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Do you know his name? Do you know what state he lives in? Did you know that a week ago? Then he was "doxxed"
He ******* gave that information out willingly.

Seriously, did you read...anything?

ETA: It was on their shirts and he did an interview and willingly gave his name. Pretend you know what doxxing is because both sides are terrible at it.

Remember the woman who came out against the Judge? Doxxed. The 18 year old who got rape threats? Doxxed. The list goes on.
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Old 22nd January 2019, 12:38 PM   #698
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CNN says they haven't found any, and by golly, you know they looked and looked for it.
Damned if you do, damned if you don't.
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Old 22nd January 2019, 12:38 PM   #699
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Well, it never existed, so I wouldn't know.

And do you mean "people on the right" or actual "right wingers"? The latter doesn't include moderates.
I'm talking about people I know who are conservative, Republican and voted for and like Trump. I call them right wing.

One friend is (privately) fervent and loud about it, but he doesn't imagine greatness with pure whiteness. I don't know any who do, but there probably are some out there. It wouldn't be making America great again to make it all-white as it never was that way when it was great. They'd have to agree and admit that they aren't talking about our past in America but instead some hypothetical or "if history were different" thing.
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So a steel worker in 1930's Germany, who sees jobs returning to their industry and is in line for his biggest pay rise in a decade, who wants to show his support for the guy who made it happen by wearing a Swastika, is by default a Nazi simply for that reason? It's madness.
What's madness is equating Trump to Hitler. It demonstrates, at best, a total failure to recognise reality, replacing history and current events with a bizarre fantasy world no doubt obtained directly from Twitter.
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The Claims that Phillips was a Vietnam War veteran are confirmed false

WaPo buries the fact that all the media jackasses braying that Nathan Phillips was a Vietnam war vet lied:

Correction: Earlier versions of this story incorrectly said that Native American activist Nathan Phillips fought in the Vietnam War. Phillips served in the U.S. Marines from 1972 to 1976 but was never deployed to Vietnam.

Seems like a pretty big correction, huh?

The whole thing is a complete and total scam.
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He ******* gave that information out willingly.

Seriously, did you read...anything?

ETA: It was on their shirts and he did an interview and willingly gave his name. Pretend you know what doxxing is because both sides are terrible at it.

Remember the woman who came out against the Judge? Doxxed. The 18 year old who got rape threats? Doxxed. The list goes on.
He's a sheltered kid and doesn't realize just how dangerous many citizens of America really are. He'll grow and learn.

He wants America to be great (again) but underestimates the insanity which is walking our streets.
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I'm talking about people I know who are conservative, Republican and voted for and like Trump. I call them right wing.
Well FYI that's not what it means, but now it's clearer to me. I meant actual right-wingers.
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Old 22nd January 2019, 12:47 PM   #704
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America was great back when you could say your own name on television and then go home to sleep with the door unlocked.
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Originally Posted by William Parcher View Post
He's a sheltered kid and doesn't realize just how dangerous many citizens of America really are. He'll grow and learn.



He wants America to be great (again) but underestimates the insanity which is walking our streets.
That would fly if he didn't have lawyers helping him with this whole thing.

A sheltered kid? Miles from home at a pro abortion rally? Lol quick pull the other one.

ETA: did you tell his PR firm that he's a sheltered, scared little boy when they crafted his drawn out reply?

https://www.courier-journal.com/stor...eo/2638400002/
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WaPo buries the fact that all the media jackasses braying that Nathan Phillips was a Vietnam war vet lied:

Correction: Earlier versions of this story incorrectly said that Native American activist Nathan Phillips fought in the Vietnam War. Phillips served in the U.S. Marines from 1972 to 1976 but was never deployed to Vietnam.

Seems like a pretty big correction, huh?

The whole thing is a complete and total scam.
Philips never claimed he was a Vietnam War Veteran.

OTHERS claimed he was a Vietnam "era" Marine veteran - since he was in the Marines from 1972-76. The Vietnam War did not end until April 1975 so his service encompasses that era - they were not false claims

Just thought I'd clear that up for you!
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Well FYI that's not what it means, but now it's clearer to me. I meant actual right-wingers.
Oh, you are talking about people who only want whites in America. I call them actual white supremacists while you call them actual right-wingers. Ok.
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I remember when America was great and it was full of foreigners and immigrants. My own ancestors, two generations before me, were foreign immigrants.
America is a great place for immigrants.

I would bet that part of Trump's plan includes increasing levels of legal immigration.
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Philips never claimed he was a Vietnam War Veteran.

OTHERS claimed he was a Vietnam "era" Marine veteran - since he was in the Marines from 1972-76. The Vietnam War did not end until April 1975 so his service encompasses that era - they were not false claims

Just thought I'd clear that up for you!
"Correction: Earlier versions of this story incorrectly said that Native American activist Nathan Phillips fought in the Vietnam War. Phillips served in the U.S. Marines from 1972 to 1976 but was never deployed to Vietnam."

https://twitter.com/SenWarren/status...24484278095872

Hoo boy..... why do people tell such easily disproved lies all the time?

The hoax is falling apart, thank god. Just thought I'd clear that up for you!

https://twitter.com/RepDebHaaland/st...62398071566337

No he didn't

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That would fly if he didn't have lawyers helping him with this whole thing.

A sheltered kid? Miles from home at a pro abortion rally? Lol quick pull the other one.

ETA: did you tell his PR firm that he's a sheltered, scared little boy when they crafted his drawn out reply?

https://www.courier-journal.com/stor...eo/2638400002/
He's extremely sheltered if he thinks he can give his name on television and not have lunatics showing up at his door.

Extremely sheltered.
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Oh, you are talking about people who only want whites in America. I call them actual white supremacists while you call them actual right-wingers. Ok.
Er... no... that's... that's not at all what I'm talking about.

Seriously what is it with people on this forum today? Is this "make sure you disagree with everyone" day and someone forgot to tell me?
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Er... no... that's... that's not at all what I'm talking about.

Seriously what is it with people on this forum today? Is this "make sure you disagree with everyone" day and someone forgot to tell me?
Honestly I was having a little trouble discerning your point as well.

Is it just that there is a segment of conservatives that have no understanding of history and are racist?
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Hoo boy..... why do people tell such easily disproved lies all the time?
I would like to mention that there is a difference between being wrong and telling a lie. Even horrible lazy journalists who are wrong are not liars.

It's a critical difference and especially if someone is accused of lying who was instead in error.
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Honestly I was having a little trouble discerning your point as well.

Is it just that there is a segment of conservatives that have no understanding of history and are racist?
<sigh> Sorry, this is a tough day for getting my points across.

I'm simply making fun of people who think America used to be great, isn't anymore, and needs to be made great anymore, which usually involves some weird whiteopia nostalgic fantasy.
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The first CNN interview I saw, Phillips said he was a Vietnam era veteran. The press took off with that as Vietman Veteran. Sloppy maybe but not lying
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Philips never claimed he was a Vietnam War Veteran.
He did. He claimed that he was a 'Vietnam times veteran'. Now you can equivocate all you want, but to most people that means he's a Vietnam veteran.

If I say I survived 9/11 you expect me to have been in the towers. The fact I did survive it on account of being 3000 miles away is clearly not what I would have intended with that statement.

Stop defending this proven liar, trouble-maker and racist.
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Er... no... that's... that's not at all what I'm talking about.

Seriously what is it with people on this forum today? Is this "make sure you disagree with everyone" day and someone forgot to tell me?
Just a little while ago you were talking about people who want America to be entirely white (again). I agree that those people are out there. I call them supremacists and you call them wingers. We are talking about the same people but we use different terms for them. It's ok.
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I would like to mention that there is a difference between being wrong and telling a lie. Even horrible lazy journalists who are wrong are not liars.

It's a critical difference and especially if someone is accused of lying who was instead in error.
I was referring to the claim in this thread "OTHERS claimed he was a Vietnam "era" Marine veteran" which was posted right after I posted a quote from WaPo showing that was totally false. But it finished with a jaunty "Just thought I'd clear that up for you!" self own for the ages.
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I would like to mention that there is a difference between being wrong and telling a lie. Even horrible lazy journalists who are wrong are not liars.
As good as. They didn't bother to investigate this claim initially because they were on 'his side'. It wasn't just laziness, they didn't want to hear the truth because that might spoil their narrative. Now, when the whole house of cards has come tumbling down, they're scrabbling to save face. Believe me, no mainstream media outlet would have corrected their claims if the whole story had not been proven to be BS.
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Just a little while ago you were talking about people who want America to be entirely white (again).
I was just making fun of the idea of MAGA and rolling with the joke while "countering" your posts. There's really no need to take the conversation this far or get lost in pedantics.
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