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Old 2nd September 2019, 03:06 AM   #681
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I have made no comment on Charles's comments, just Greta's interpretation and her belief.

Or are you saying she didn't what he said wrong, and misinterpret it?
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Old 2nd September 2019, 03:14 AM   #682
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Originally Posted by cullennz View Post
I have made no comment on Charles's comments, just Greta's interpretation and her belief.

Or are you saying she didn't what he said wrong, and misinterpret it?
You provided her tweet as evidence to support your comment.

It doesn't support your comment.
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Old 2nd September 2019, 03:20 AM   #683
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Originally Posted by The Don View Post
You provided her tweet as evidence to support your comment.

It doesn't support your comment.
No I posted a tweet of hers which shows what she believes Charlie said and endorsing it.

You can't have it both ways.

Either that is what she believes and she just posted what she thought Charlie was saying

Or posted it not agreeing with what it says with zero added note she doesn't believe it.


Which one?
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Old 2nd September 2019, 03:29 AM   #684
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I have no real idea whether she believes Charles or not. I don't really care. I don't really care what Charles thinks. He's got a pretty mixed record in terms of science, and I take everything he says with a massive dose of salt.

I do take some issue with the Telegraph's wording though, when you read his actual comments, they were far less 'panic!' than the headline implies.
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Old 2nd September 2019, 03:53 AM   #685
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Originally Posted by cullennz View Post
No I posted a tweet of hers which shows what she believes Charlie said and endorsing it.

You can't have it both ways.

Either that is what she believes and she just posted what she thought Charlie was saying

Or posted it not agreeing with what it says with zero added note she doesn't believe it.


Which one?
You posted:

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I take them more seriously than a 16 year old, and while there is vast consensus among them the climate is changing, as it is obvious, there isn't vast consensus life will be wiped out if the temperature changes 1 degree, or that we have 18 months to stop earth being destroyed.
As far as I can tell those are not Greta Thunberg's view - certainly if she agrees with Prince Charles then it isn't.
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Originally Posted by The Don View Post
You posted:



As far as I can tell those are not Greta Thunberg's view - certainly if she agrees with Prince Charles then it isn't.
This is getting tedious

People on this thread have been saying the world would be stuffed if the temperature went up 1 degree. Which is my first point in that post.

The second is her tweet endorsing Greta's view of what she thinks Charlie said.

Man will die if we don't do something within 18 months.

Now seriously, do you think she misunderstood him, but believes it and promotes man will die if nothing is done in 18 months, or do you think she disagrees with him but tweeted it any way with nothing saying she doesn't.

It isn't that hard.

Just answer the question
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Originally Posted by The Don View Post
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As far as I can tell those are not Greta Thunberg's view - certainly if she agrees with Prince Charles then it isn't.
Seriously. Don't bother.

Cullenz has decided that he is happy in his ignorance of climate change. Just leave it at that.
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Originally Posted by uke2se View Post
Seriously. Don't bother.

Cullenz has decided that he is happy in his ignorance of climate change. Just leave it at that.
Got it.

She is the second coming and nothing she tweets should be questioned
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Originally Posted by cullennz View Post
I kind of think it is
How much extra energy does that represent in the atmosphere?
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Originally Posted by cullennz View Post
Got it.



She is the second coming and nothing she tweets should be questioned
Your strawmen are really now nothing but lies since you've had them corrected so many times. It isn't difficult to admit you made a mistake, you didn't know anything but you made a comment, and you aren't able support your comments.
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Originally Posted by Darat View Post
Your strawmen are really now nothing but lies since you've had them corrected so many times. It isn't difficult to admit you made a mistake, you didn't know anything but you made a comment, and you aren't able support your comments.

With all due respect Darat

I am not the one endorsing her interpretation of Charlies thoughts in a tweet to promote them to kids her own age.

That man will be wiped out if nothing is done in 18 months.

If you can't read that in her tweet I am at a loss, but if you think that is a good thing to tell kids then that is your imperative
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Originally Posted by cullennz View Post
With all due respect Darat

I am not the one endorsing her interpretation of Charlies thoughts in a tweet to promote them to kids her own age.

That man will be wiped out if nothing is done in 18 months.

If you can't read that in her tweet I am at a loss, but if you think that is a good thing to tell kids then that is your imperative
That isn't the conclusion of Prince Charles' remarks, the Daily Telegraph's hyperbolic version of his remarks or Greta Thunberg's tweet of the Telegraph version.
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Originally Posted by cullennz View Post
This is getting tedious

People on this thread have been saying the world would be stuffed if the temperature went up 1 degree. Which is my first point in that post.

The second is her tweet endorsing Greta's view of what she thinks Charlie said.

Man will die if we don't do something within 18 months.


Now seriously, do you think she misunderstood him, but believes it and promotes man will die if nothing is done in 18 months, or do you think she disagrees with him but tweeted it any way with nothing saying she doesn't.

It isn't that hard.

Just answer the question
Prince Charles never said that, the Daily Telegraph didn't say that, Greta Thunberg didn't say that. Whey do you keep insisting that one or all of them did ?
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Prince Charles never said that, the Daily Telegraph didn't say that, Greta Thunberg didn't say that. Whey do you keep insisting that one or all of them did ?
Because that’s all deniers have. They can’t argue the science because they are wilfully or otherwise are ignorant of it, so build gigantic straw men.
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If man and animals can live in Marble Bar, where they had 171 days straight days not lower than 37.8°C (100F), I am pretty sure with all of mans mind power, we and animals and plants, can survive 1 degree higher variance in most other places.
How wealthy is Marble Bar? Developed-world standard, or Third-world standard? It makes an ENORMOUS difference.

I lived in Death Valley, CA for five years. We averaged about 35 days a year with temps above 120 F, we went about a 100 days in row getting above 100. So not as bad as Marble Bar, but still pretty hot - even though you exaggerated how hot Marble Bar was at the time - it got above 100 degrees F every day for 171 days, but didn't stay above 100 every day for 171 days, it cooled down at night.

Before that I lived two years in the Nepali Terai, the part of Nepal that borders India and is down on the Gangetic Plain. Not nearly so hot as Death Valley, the temps topped out around 108 F.

And I gotta tell you, I suffered from the heat in the Terai far, far worse than I did in much-hotter Death Valley. It wasn't even close - the Terai was much less hot, and people suffered much more from the heat there.

Because they were poor. I knew of two buildings that had Air Conditioning - the offices of the Electrical utility, and the shop that developed film - neither one let you in if you didn't have a reason for being there. There was no other escape from the heat, at all. Just fans to blow the hot humid air around. A few people had evaporative coolers, but those didn't do much in air that was already humid. When it got to the worst heat, everybody who had electricity (less than half the population) turned on their fans, which drew down the power supply such that the fans all went slow, very slow. I have nightmares of dim, dim lights, watching the blades on my fan barely moving at all, while making dinner over the kerosene stove - and I was much better off than the average person living in the Terai, since I had electricity and could cook over kerosene instead of a wood fire.

Two years later, in Death Valley, I had a nice little truck and little apartment, both with AC. Fieldwork was brutal, but I knew I could get out of the heat if I needed to. That was never an option in the Terai.

So when you think about how it will be in the big, big poor cities of Asia, South America, Africa, you know that people will die there. In Rio, Delhi, Mumbai, Karachi, Cairo. By the thousands, millions. And they are going to die angry at the developed world for doing this to them. They could give F-all about the people who lived in Marble Bar a century ago. We're going to see some big, heavily populated cities full of fury and anger at the developed world, and it might come back to bite us. So what if it does not happen in the next eighteen months? So what if the feedback loops don't kick in for another twenty years, or not at all? I have kids - in their lifetime, in the lifetimes of any grandkids they may have, there will be enormous human suffering, possibly enough to really destabilize things even in the developed nations. I don't want to leave that sort of legacy behind.


ETA: And no, I am not predicting the extinction of the human race or any other such nonsense. I am not predicting that these big cities will become unlivable, or even that the majority of the populations will die. But really, the deaths of a ten thousand or a hundred thousand in a city of ten or twenty million is still pretty atrocious suffering.

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Originally Posted by cullennz View Post
You seem very good at criticising posters and very little on detail.
Says the person who refused to educate himself.


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Do you agree with the 16 year old that we only have 18 months to save man or not?
Strawman. Yet again.
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So who here is interested i following Thunberg's lead and making a public deceleration vowing never to fly again ?

Fun fact...Emma Thompson's return flight flight from LA to London, where she told us to use less fossil fuels, generated just enough CO2 to drown a baby polar bear. It's true I saw the whole thing while I was flying around in my helicopter. The poor thing was only milimeters away from hauling itself to safety and had that ice floe been that much bigger, well then I guess I wouldn't have a teeny tiny white rug.

But hey, at least she got people talking about climate change and, as we all know, talking about climate change is much much more important than actually adjusting your lifestyle in order to help out in this climate emergency.
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Originally Posted by cullennz View Post
This is getting tedious

People on this thread have been saying the world would be stuffed if the temperature went up 1 degree. Which is my first point in that post.
No they didn't. Stop lying about what people said just to try and make your own ignorant posts seem reasonable. It's not working and you are only digging the hole you've gotten yourself stuck in deeper.
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No they didn't. Stop lying about what people said just to try and make your own ignorant posts seem reasonable. It's not working and you are only digging the hole you've gotten yourself stuck in deeper.
Fair point

The wording was it would be a "disaster"

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A difference of 1.18 degrees average temperature in England was a disaster.

And we are not talking about 1 degree, but two or three. London becoming as hot as Sydney if my maths is right
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Fair point

The wording was it would be a "disaster"
Are you denying that it would have, globally speaking, disastrous consequences? Last time you dismissed the effects of an increase in global average temperature by pointing out that you were still alive, as if that was supposed to prove something.
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Originally Posted by cullennz View Post
Fair point

The wording was it would be a "disaster"
Hurricanes and tornadoes cause disasters - yet we don't dismiss them simply because they don't kill everybody in the areas they go through.

Your hyperbole is just another strawman argument.
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Man will die if we don't do something within 18 months.
When does Woman die in this scenario?
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So who here is interested i following Thunberg's lead and making a public deceleration vowing never to fly again ?
I can't speak for anyone here, but in Scandinavia, and especially in Thunberg's Sweden, flights are down and train rides are up.

Greta Thunberg is considered to be one of the main reasons behind the change.

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Echoing the schoolgirl climate activist Greta Thunberg’s refusal to fly because of the harm to the environment, a survey published last week by Swedish Railways (SJ) found 37% of respondents chose to travel by rail instead of air, compared with 26% last autumn and 20% in early 2018.

SJ said the shift was evident in its passenger numbers: the total number of journeys on its network rose by 5% last year to 31.8m, but then by a further 8% in the first quarter of this year, with business trips surging 12%.

The trend was also apparent in recent figures from Swedavia, which operates Sweden’s 10 busiest airports. The company said domestic passenger numbers fell by 8% from January to April, following a 3% fall in the whole of 2018.

For the first time, climate impact tops travellers’ reasons for choosing the train. “Rail travel is soaring thanks to climate fears,” said an SJ spokesman, Tobbe Lundell, adding that the operator was boosting capacity, particularly on longer routes such as between Stockholm, Malmö and Gothenburg.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...e-flight-shame
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Well good on the Swedes for at least starting to think about it.

I went to confirm that up to 24 hour train journey claim made in the article ( Stockholm to Paris ) and...holy crap is that ever a cheap flight. I'd be looking at 5X the price(s) I found for a flight o similar duration within Canada.
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I can't speak for anyone here, but in Scandinavia, and especially in Thunberg's Sweden, flights are down and train rides are up.

Greta Thunberg is considered to be one of the main reasons behind the change.



https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...e-flight-shame
Flights are being canceled here, as well. But that is mainly due to the 737Max being pulled.
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When does Woman die in this scenario?
In the Year 2525, if man is still alive, if woman can survive.
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Originally Posted by Ryokan View Post
I can't speak for anyone here, but in Scandinavia, and especially in Thunberg's Sweden, flights are down and train rides are up.

Greta Thunberg is considered to be one of the main reasons behind the change.



https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...e-flight-shame
It has not stopped my parents from going on vacation throughout the Mediterranean like once every quarter of the year. Many of our relatives also go on vacation quite often.
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It has not stopped my parents from going on vacation throughout the Mediterranean like once every quarter of the year. Many of our relatives also go on vacation quite often.
Most of the change cited from flights to trains was regarding internal Swedish travel.
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Is there a point buried under this blob of seagull crap?
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Old 18th September 2019, 03:02 AM   #713
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Greta Thunberg, the 16-year-old Swedish activist who has galvanized young people across the world to strike for more action to combat the impact of global warming, politely reminded them [the Senate climate crisis task force] that she was a student, not a scientist – or a senator.

“Please save your praise. We don’t want it,” she said. “Don’t invite us here to just tell us how inspiring we are without actually doing anything about it because it doesn’t lead to anything.

“If you want advice for what you should do, invite scientists, ask scientists for their expertise. We don’t want to be heard. We want the science to be heard.”
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Old 18th September 2019, 03:06 AM   #714
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Clearly biased:

she wants a habitable world for herself after the people in Congress have died off.
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Old 18th September 2019, 03:34 AM   #715
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Originally Posted by Matthew Best View Post
https://www.theguardian.com/environm...d-enough-sorry

Greta Thunberg, the 16-year-old Swedish activist who has galvanized young people across the world to strike for more action to combat the impact of global warming, politely reminded them [the Senate climate crisis task force] that she was a student, not a scientist – or a senator.

“Please save your praise. We don’t want it,” she said. “Don’t invite us here to just tell us how inspiring we are without actually doing anything about it because it doesn’t lead to anything.

“If you want advice for what you should do, invite scientists, ask scientists for their expertise. We don’t want to be heard. We want the science to be heard.”
What a class act she is.
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Old 18th September 2019, 04:18 AM   #716
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What a class act she is.
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Two class acts.
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“If you want advice for what you should do, invite scientists, ask scientists for their expertise. We don’t want to be heard. We want the science to be heard.”
Rather neatly handles the whole "why should we listen to this [insert implied-negative descriptor here]?" argument.
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Old 18th September 2019, 10:52 AM   #718
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What a class act she is.
Her presence is an embarrassment for her and everyone in the room. She is not a scientist. She is taking up a seat where one should be.

ETA: I changed my mind. Her clown show is a perfect fit in the circus that is Congress.

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14 Year-Old Girl: Don't listen to me, listen to scientists!

Congress: Hold my beer.
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Old 18th September 2019, 11:22 AM   #720
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Her presence is an embarrassment for her and everyone in the room. She is not a scientist. She is taking up a seat where one should be.
That moment when BobTheCoward agrees 100% with Thunberg's message.
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