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Old 16th June 2006, 01:26 PM   #3041
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testemoney?
A term used to describe the cost of Viagra.
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Old 16th June 2006, 01:26 PM   #3042
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Originally Posted by Sentinel View Post
Since there are no pilots in this forum I understand your incapablility to answer the question on flying into buildings.
I will admit I AM NOT A PILOT, however, my father used to own and fly an old Piper Tri-Pacer. Nice little plane, anyhow. I would go along with him on many a flight. He would handle the take-offs and landings. Guess what, when cruising, guess who got to fly, yeap me, all at an age of 12. Kind of sounds familiar doesn’t it? Atta and crew focused on flying, not take offs and landing, go figure. Once in the air, keeping a plane airborne on the right course is damn easy. Dad would give me the compass heading, I would turn to that heading and keep it steady, went to many an airfield that way. Flash forward 20 years, add in hand held GPS and guess how easy it is to guide a plan now. But since you're not a pilot, I understand you inability to understand how easy it is to fly a plane when some one else handles the take-off.
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Old 16th June 2006, 01:27 PM   #3043
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Is it just me or have the recent crop of CT'ers been even less capable of intelligent debate then the previous bunch? Greggy put these guys to shame.
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Hey! I want a patch, or a cookie, or first pick of the litter or something - it was my post that shut him up!

(Not like I want him back. . . )
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Old 16th June 2006, 01:33 PM   #3044
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Why don't you ask real pilots then Sentinel, if you really want a answer to your question?
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Old 16th June 2006, 01:36 PM   #3045
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Originally Posted by azazal View Post
I will admit I AM NOT A PILOT, however, my father used to own and fly an old Piper Tri-Pacer. Nice little plane, anyhow. I would go along with him on many a flight. He would handle the take-offs and landings. Guess what, when cruising, guess who got to fly, yeap me, all at an age of 12. Kind of sounds familiar doesn’t it? Atta and crew focused on flying, not take offs and landing, go figure. Once in the air, keeping a plane airborne on the right course is damn easy. Dad would give me the compass heading, I would turn to that heading and keep it steady, went to many an airfield that way. Flash forward 20 years, add in hand held GPS and guess how easy it is to guide a plan now. But since you're not a pilot, I understand you inability to understand how easy it is to fly a plane when some one else handles the take-off.
My dad was a pilot too, and sometimes let me fly the plane. Another time when I was in my teens a pilot buddy of mine let me fly his plane, and just by following the roads I managed to find my own house, a tiny two-story home in a suburban neighborhood -- no flying experience, no lessons, no nada. If it had been the WTC, which on a clear day you could see 100 miles away, I'd have had no problem slamming the plane into it, were I so included. The only difference here is size of plane. Give me even a modicum of training, and I bet it would have been a piece of cake.
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Old 16th June 2006, 01:37 PM   #3046
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Originally Posted by Stellafane View Post
A term used to describe the cost of Viagra.
This deserves either a *groan* or a , I'm not exactly sure which.

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Old 16th June 2006, 01:46 PM   #3047
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Originally Posted by Stellafane View Post
Can you even believe you'd ever write such a sentence, never mind it actually being true??
It is really very sad. Reading these threads reminds me of a game called Whack A Mole. They have this at arcades. A stuffed mole keeps popping up out of differant holes and you have to knock them on the head with a hammer. There is no end to it. CT'ers keep popping and making the same tired claims. Someone points out the error of their ways. The CT'er just makes another tired claim. Blather, rinse and repeat. Eventually that CT'er stomps off or commits suicide by mod. Before you know it, another popps up and makes exactly the same tired claim.
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Old 16th June 2006, 01:47 PM   #3048
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Originally Posted by Stellafane View Post
and just by following the roads I managed to find my own house,

Known as an IFR pilot.

I follow roads.

I knew a guy like that who used a Gulf Road Map to navigate. It was great til it blew out the window one day.

I only took his planes one way - up to 7200'.

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Old 16th June 2006, 01:48 PM   #3049
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Even BIRDS can fly, it can't be THAT hard!
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Old 16th June 2006, 01:53 PM   #3050
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Originally Posted by Pardalis View Post
Even BIRDS can fly, it can't be THAT hard!
I'm going to have to look for a cite, but I believe I read a report that showed that even birds tend to follow roads when they fly.
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Old 16th June 2006, 01:55 PM   #3051
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I'm going to have to look for a cite, but I believe I read a report that showed that even birds tend to follow roads when they fly.
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It was this one http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/3460977.stm One if first came out I remember looking at the map and the flight paths overlaid.

ETA: here we go http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main...sSheet=/portal
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Old 16th June 2006, 01:57 PM   #3052
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Old 16th June 2006, 01:59 PM   #3053
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Originally Posted by 60hzxtl View Post
Know as an IFR pilot.
Wouldn't that be VFR (visual rather than instrument)?
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Old 16th June 2006, 02:03 PM   #3054
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Even BIRDS can fly, it can't be THAT hard!

THAT'S IT!! It wasn't a plane, or a missile, or a drone. It was a giant, mutated, New York pigeon! Those damn genetic scientists.....
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Originally Posted by NobbyNobbs View Post
THAT'S IT!! It wasn't a plane, or a missile, or a drone. It was a giant, mutated, New York pigeon! Those damn genetic scientists.....
Or four suicidal albatross.
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Old 16th June 2006, 02:06 PM   #3056
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Originally Posted by NobbyNobbs View Post
THAT'S IT!! It wasn't a plane, or a missile, or a drone. It was a giant, mutated, New York pigeon! Those damn genetic scientists.....
Don't be silly,
it wasn't a BIRD,
it wasn't a PLANE it was ..
SUPERMAN!
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Old 16th June 2006, 02:49 PM   #3057
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Originally Posted by brodski View Post
Don't be silly,
it wasn't a BIRD,
it wasn't a PLANE it was ..
SUPERMAN!
I was going to guess Underdog.
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I was going to guess Underdog.
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I can edit it if you like.

Happy Birthday.
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Wouldn't that be VFR (visual rather than instrument)?

Of course -
Ooops, forgot the sarcasm marquee and flashing lights
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923 pages!!!!
Wow, there really is nothing new under the sun. Interesting to see the same debate raging on different intellectual levels within different specializations -- over there they're deep into eutectic reactions

It's getting pretty vicious, too. Lots of [rule8] and booted socks floating around like tumbleweeds.

*goes for popcorn*

Heads up/prediction: the next CT battleground will be sulfidation of the WTC steel.
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Originally Posted by brodski View Post
I can edit it if you like.

Happy Birthday.
No need to edit and thanks for the B-day greetings.
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I think I may have already pointed this out to death, but just for the record, I have landed a proper Boeing 777 simulator. It really is not that hard to fly, it's even easier to crash into things. Once the plane is airbourne, the only controls you need to use are the stick, which is a giant thing in front of you, and the throttle, which is a giant thing to your left hand side. You can pretty much ignore the rudder pedals because you don't have to fly the plane smoothly or with any kind of balance. It honestly is no different to playing Microsoft flight simulator, which was the only "training" I had before I got to play in the real thing.

The hardest part of 9/11 would be the descending turn to the Pentagon, but only because the Pentagon is on the ground and harder to pick out than the WTC towers.
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I have a hard time believing that the SO-CALLED TERRORIST who couldn't fly could have piloted a boeing 767 into a building twice. Thats like finding a needle in a haystack twice. Do you have any idea how hard it is to do that?
http://www.salon.com/tech/col/smith/.../index_np.html

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Originally Posted by Johnny Pixels View Post
I think I may have already pointed this out to death, but just for the record, I have landed a proper Boeing 777 simulator. It really is not that hard to fly, it's even easier to crash into things. Once the plane is airbourne, the only controls you need to use are the stick, which is a giant thing in front of you, and the throttle, which is a giant thing to your left hand side. You can pretty much ignore the rudder pedals because you don't have to fly the plane smoothly or with any kind of balance. It honestly is no different to playing Microsoft flight simulator, which was the only "training" I had before I got to play in the real thing.

The hardest part of 9/11 would be the descending turn to the Pentagon, but only because the Pentagon is on the ground and harder to pick out than the WTC towers.
I think takeoff and landing are the really tricky parts. My wife got time in a flight simulator as a birthday present -- her father works for the FAA and pulled some strings.

She crashed the plane just trying to taxi into position. It's deceptively difficult.
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I know plenty of muslims that go to strip clubs.
I know muslims who get LAID

that sounds so wrong
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Originally Posted by Sentinel View Post
I guess thats why your country got flipped so easily.


Now our awol guys will be truned over much quicker,



Thanks canada




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Unlike you guys (or spain and england), we actually caught our terrorists.
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Originally Posted by 60hzxtl View Post
Of course -
Ooops, forgot the sarcasm marquee and flashing lights
Sorry 60hz, didn't have my sarcasm hat on. Went back an re-read it. Now I get it. Doh!
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I think takeoff and landing are the really tricky parts. My wife got time in a flight simulator as a birthday present -- her father works for the FAA and pulled some strings.

She crashed the plane just trying to taxi into position. It's deceptively difficult.
I know a guy who works for a company that makes them. The one I played on was a couple of days away from being boxed up and shipped to Singapore. But the real fun part was walking past the top secret military projects I wasn't allowed to see, and were all surrounded by large boards. You could just see the top of the cockpits, and one was definitely a Harrier, and I would've killed for a go on that one.

The tricky parts of flying are the "transitional" phases. Switching the engines on would be a nightmare, I have no idea of where to start for the ignition sequence, driving to from the runway to the gate, because you can't see where the nose wheel is, getting airbourne, because if you pull up too early you stall, and end up running out of runway, landing, because the ground moves very quickly towards you at 180 mph.

Crashing into things is very easy and very much a case of pointing the nose where you want to hit, and opening the throttle. Many CTs seem to think this is difficult for some reason. You just avoid the green stuff below you, and don't worry too much about overstressing the aircraft, because you're going to destroy it anyway.
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Real muslims don't party in strip clubs and leave a mess of clues standing around.
Obviously you've never been to some of the more popular "gentleman's clubs" in Montreal.

Cripes... I've seen Amish dudes getting their freak on in those joints.
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Originally Posted by Johnny Pixels View Post
Crashing into things is very easy and very much a case of pointing the nose where you want to hit, and opening the throttle. Many CTs seem to think this is difficult for some reason. You just avoid the green stuff below you, and don't worry too much about overstressing the aircraft, because you're going to destroy it anyway.
...not to mention I think most of the flight control laws built-in to the control systems will prevent that anyway, or at least unleash bitchin betty on you if you get too close to the edge of the envelope.
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Obviously you've never been to some of the more popular "gentleman's clubs" in Montreal.

Cripes... I've seen Amish dudes getting their freak on in those joints.
<shudder!>
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I'm afraid I struck a nerve with this post:
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I'm glad you brought this up, because it's a topic we discuss over at JREF quite a bit. Why would someone WANT to believe in something that is unpleasant and for which there is no good evidence, such as evil spirits, eternal damnation, or convoluted conspiracy theories?

Actually, WANT is not a good word; a better one is NEED. They NEED to believe in something, even if it's something that's not all peaches and cream.

I can't read your mind, of course, but I would guess that the belief that the government is in total control -- for better or for worse -- is more palatable to you than the idea that a small group of people can wreak such havoc on such a large scale. It seems too random, too pointless. It lacks meaning and purpose, something we all crave.

To put it simply, when offered the choice between an evil, monolithic government with secret agendas, and a shadowy, unpredictable terrorist organization with bewilderingly puzzling motivations, you choose what you perceive as the lesser of two evils. As a bonus, you get to belong to a group with similar views, and all of you can get together and bitch about the government to your heart's content.

I understand this completely, and I won't condemn anyone for falling into this mode of thinking. It's very human of you. It's not for me, though.
Perhaps I was a little condescending...oh, well. No givesies backsies.
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We are all familiar with singers Glen Campbell, Celine Dion, and Anne Murray, which I believe are Canada's revenge against the United States for inflicting Jim Nabors on Canada. On the other hand, nobody seems to complain about Guy Lombardo.




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I don't complain about Neil Young either!

Or about the Poppy Family
And one of the greatest singer/songwriters that the World has ever known, Canada gave us Gord Lightfoot, which almost makes up for Celinne Dion and the Poppy family...
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I think takeoff and landing are the really tricky parts. My wife got time in a flight simulator as a birthday present -- her father works for the FAA and pulled some strings.

She crashed the plane just trying to taxi into position. It's deceptively difficult.
I got to fly an F-16 simulator at work years ago. Taxied and took off fine. Got up to about 300 kts. and was shot down by a bogie that I never saw coming. Quite embarrasing.
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Real muslims don't party in strip clubs
They do if they know they only have a few days left to live. That's like saying "Real priests don't molest kids." It happens.

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Originally Posted by Sentinel View Post
Snip non-sequeters and strawmen


Since there are no pilots in this forum I understand your incapablility to answer the question on flying into buildings.



Heres another for the non-pilots....


What happens when you suddenly drop from 35.000ft while the air cabin is pressurized?


You skeptics kill me.


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1. Why do you assume there are no pilots here? I was, until money ran out and family obligations interviened. Have taxied, take-off, flown, and landed single engine light aircraft and sailplanes, flown a DC-3, and have 20 minutes in a B-25. Flying is no problem. Landing is no real problem. Most people Solo within the first 15 hours. It doesn't take a lot of flight time to become a pilot.

2. Dropping from 35000 feet with the cabin pressureized? No problem cabin pressure is maintained at about 7000' MSL most of the time anyway. No big deal--There isn't that much volume, and the cabin structure will withstand a lot more pressure differential than you can imagine.

Why do I keep thinking "Box of Rocks" when I read these guys???
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Old 16th June 2006, 07:33 PM   #3077
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I just posted this over at the LC site in response to someone's comment that the Pennsylvania crash site looked like something out of a James Bond movie.

I wrote:
(Note: I posted the actual pictures over there. Because of copyright rules here, I just posted the links.)

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I'd say it looks a helluva lot like these other crash sites. And would you take the time to point out to me where the outlines of the wings are. Or even the engines for that matter.

American Eagle Flight 4184, Roselawn Indiana, Oct. 31,94
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi..._crashsite.jpg

USAir Boeing 737 flight 427, Aliquippa, Pennsylvania Sept. 8th, 1994
http://www.sptimes.com/28-seconds/gr...ay1/impact.jpg

Bellview Airlines 737, Lagos Nigeria, Oct. 22. 1994
http://www.1001crash.com/latest/2005...w_B737_im1.jpg

Turkish Airlines DC-10, Ermenonville, France, March 3, 1974
http://www.planecrashinfo.com/w740303.htm

Euro Asian Aviation, Baucau, East Timor, January 31, 2003
http://www.1001crash.com/latest/2003/EAA_IL76_im1.jpg

TANS Cerro Coloque, Peru, January 9, 2003
http://www.1001crash.com/latest/2003/TANS_F28_im2.jpg

Value Jet, Miami Floida, May 11, 1996
http://www.planecrashinfo.com/w960511.htm

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Old 16th June 2006, 08:12 PM   #3078
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Originally Posted by steve s View Post
I just posted this over at the LC site in response to someone's comment that the Pennsylvania crash site looked like something out of a James Bond movie.

I wrote:
(Note: I posted the actual pictures over there. Because of copyright rules here, I just posted the links.)

Some of the links aren't going through. I'll try to find alternate pics.


Waiting for my inevitable bannishment.

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the whole LC thread seems ninja

I would like to sign up for the JREF nija wave.

belief is blind by definition.

can I be the tactician?
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the whole LC thread seems ninja

I would like to sign up for the JREF nija wave.
Are you sure? The LC site is a world where even the laws of physics don't apply. Enter at your own risk.

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I saw a documentary on the History Channel this evening about the construction of the Sears tower. They left out the part where the thermite and C4 were built into the structure.

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