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Old 6th November 2009, 03:20 AM   #41
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now I'm really worried. Clint just called me and said it happened at the old sports dome, and that's incredibly close to my old unit area



Originally Posted by timhau View Post
Actually, it's probably for the best that the lone nutjobs at Prisonplanet think lone nutjobs can't commit spree killings.
Wow. Quoted for truth. Well said.
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Old 6th November 2009, 07:30 AM   #42
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Ah, my old buddy Sane again:
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this was a false flag attack.

12 dead, 31 injured on the biggest army base in the world by one shooter with one semi-auto handgun and a non semi auto one?

and he is still alive?

dude, i do not buy the "he turned into a raged muslim superman shooter that defies laws of physics because of fearing deploymet" conspiracy theory.

no matter how many times the MSM repeats this conspiracy theory
The NWO once again breaks the laws of physics! How do they do it?
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Old 6th November 2009, 07:51 AM   #43
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I really wish the MSM wouldn't have stated that Fort Hood is "the biggest Army Base in the world". That may be true in terms of personnel (although I think there are a couple of bases that rival Fort Hood for personnel strength), but it is not the biggest in the world. In CONUS, that honor belongs to Fort Bliss (1.1 million acres, the majority of which is missile ranges). I'm not sure about OCONUS, but I still find it doubtful that Fort Hood is much bigger than some overseas Army camps.

Sorry for the derail; it's just that little detail bothers me. We REALLY need to advocate fact-checking in the media; it might reduce the number of speculative reports that truthers and their ilk latch on to as "proof that the ebil NWO is out for our freedoms!!!11!111!!ELEVENTY!! ZOMG INSIDE JOB!!11!1!1!" BS they trumpet.

ETA: According to Wikipedia, Fort Hood is ONE OF the largest Army installations, but Fort Benning surpasses it in both personnel strength and actual size.

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Before the breakup of the Soviet Union, Fort Hood was billed as the largest military base in the free world but Fort Benning is larger both in personnel and land area.
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Old 6th November 2009, 07:59 AM   #44
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Someone on prisonplanet linked to this page, which is nearly as crazy as prisonplanet: http://constitutionallyspeaking.word...ansition-team/

Apparently Hasan was a member of "Obama's Homeland security Transition team"... from April 2008 to January of 2009.

I had no idea Obama had a transition team in place not just before taking office, but before he even was elected!

The stupid runs deep in the prisonplanet/freeper/christian right crowd.
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Old 6th November 2009, 08:05 AM   #45
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When the People fear the government, there is tyranny.

When the government fears the People, there is Liberty.

When the People love the government, there is Big Brother.

When the People love Galileo, there is Liberty!
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Old 6th November 2009, 08:27 AM   #46
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I wonder who the target was, there must be a limit to how many Manchurian candidates NWO have around. He must have been activated for somebody important.

Was it just a test, or maybe part of a psyop.
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Old 6th November 2009, 08:28 AM   #47
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Prisonplanet is screaming about paties.

my God....these are truly paranoid people.

I wonder if Jack Ruby is gonna shoot this guy from the grassy knole.
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Old 6th November 2009, 08:31 AM   #48
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Does prisonplanet award "Most ******* Theory" awards to its most maladjusted forum members every time something bad happens in the world? They seems to make a game out of spinning current events into elaborate "textbook black ops".

They are like live-action role-players, who dress up as wizards and elfs and **** and play DnD in public, except their game is make-believe revolutionary fighters versus teh EVUL govermintz.

Come to think of it, has ANYTHING bad ever happened without the governments direct, malicious involvement to these people?
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Old 6th November 2009, 09:07 AM   #49
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Originally Posted by Galileo View Post
When the People fear the government, there is tyranny.

When the government fears the People, there is Liberty.

When the People love the government, there is Big Brother.

When the People love Galileo, there is Liberty!
When the nutjobs fear the government, there is business as usual.
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Old 6th November 2009, 09:36 AM   #50
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Originally Posted by Galileo View Post
When the People fear the government, there is tyranny.

When the government fears the People, there is Liberty.

When the People love the government, there is Big Brother.

When the People love Galileo, there is Liberty!
It looks okay, up until the last two, which are self-evidently BS. The first two... meh.
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Old 6th November 2009, 10:13 AM   #51
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Originally Posted by Galileo View Post
When the People fear the government, there is tyranny.

When the government fears the People, there is Liberty.

When the People love the government, there is Big Brother.

When the People love Galileo, there is Liberty!
The same idiotic post you placed in the truther who tried to shoot cops thread you started.

Your fellow conspiracy theorist with dumb ideas spew woo instead of self promotion.

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I think they may have just been served up on the alter of false flag terrorism.
A prison planet forum post oozing conspiracy theories for the weak minded conspiracy mob of a few fringe people.
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Old 6th November 2009, 10:30 AM   #52
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Originally Posted by parky76 View Post
Prisonplanet is screaming about paties.
Crabby patties?
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Old 6th November 2009, 10:50 AM   #53
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Originally Posted by WildCat View Post
Someone on prisonplanet linked to this page, which is nearly as crazy as prisonplanet: http://constitutionallyspeaking.word...ansition-team/

Apparently Hasan was a member of "Obama's Homeland security Transition team"... from April 2008 to January of 2009.

I had no idea Obama had a transition team in place not just before taking office, but before he even was elected!

The stupid runs deep in the prisonplanet/freeper/christian right crowd.
I am sure Obama did have some sort of transition team as early as April (although this particular effort appears to have been non-partisan and not affiliated with any candidate). And the shooter is the same guy named in the document. However, there is a reasonably innocent explanation:

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Daniel Kaniewski, the institute's deputy director, confirms that Hasan attended task force meetings as an audience member, and stresses that he was not a member of the task force. "All of our events are open to the public," Kaniewski says, "and when someone RSVPs we put their name in the [report] so everyone knows who was in the room."
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Old 6th November 2009, 11:02 AM   #54
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Originally Posted by Galileo View Post
When the People fear the government, there is tyranny.

When the government fears the People, there is Liberty.

When the People love the government, there is Big Brother.

When the People love Galileo, there is Liberty!


You use this tragedy as a excuse for posting you egotistical crap.
I know you are a troll, but you have chosen yourself to be a total Alpha Hotel as well.
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Old 6th November 2009, 11:07 AM   #55
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Originally Posted by Brainster View Post
I am sure Obama did have some sort of transition team as early as April (although this particular effort appears to have been non-partisan and not affiliated with any candidate). And the shooter is the same guy named in the document. However, there is a reasonably innocent explanation:
So he attends A public meeting that anybody could attend and this is proof the guy was tool of the Obama Administration. CT insanity at it worst.
But you KNOW the Tinfoil brigade will go bonkers over this.
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So he attends A public meeting that anybody could attend and this is proof the guy was tool of the Obama Administration. CT insanity at it worst.
But you KNOW the Tinfoil brigade will go bonkers over this.
Is there anything they don't go bonkers over? How long before we see the split into LIHOP and MIHOP theories?
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I am sure Obama did have some sort of transition team as early as April (although this particular effort appears to have been non-partisan and not affiliated with any candidate). And the shooter is the same guy named in the document. However, there is a reasonably innocent explanation:

Wing Nut Daily has bought it hook, line and sinker

http://washingtonindependent.com/669...oter-and-obama
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http://www.whatdoesitmean.com/index1296.htm

I found this excerpt interesting, especially on opening day for "The Men Who Stare At Goats".... I wonder if it can be confirmed?

"From his position at the Center for the Study of Traumatic Stress, Major Hasan became one of the originators of what is called the US Army's “Warrior Combat Reset Program” set up to help American soldiers returning from war zones, or being redeployed to them, cope with what is called post-traumatic stress disorder (PTSD), and which according to these reports led to his being at Fort Hood to “electronically prepare” an experimental group of US Soldiers for their return to the Iraq war zone.

Important to be understood about these reports is their detailing that nearly all of the US Military Forces are suffering what is termed a “catastrophic” level of stress disorders, murders, rapes and suicides so bad that American commanders are now warning that the readiness of their forces in is danger of “outright collapse”, and which is no wonder being that in just three short months this will become the longest war in US history."
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Old 6th November 2009, 12:02 PM   #59
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Let the conspiracy theories begin

It hasn't even been 24 hours and the conspiracy theories about the tragedy at fort hood has even began.

http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index....pic=143149.360
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Wing Nut Daily has bought it hook, line and sinker

http://washingtonindependent.com/669...oter-and-obama
I think that it has become very obvious that WND is mainly a conspiracy site.
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Originally Posted by morgasm View Post
Does prisonplanet award "Most ******* Theory" awards to its most maladjusted forum members every time something bad happens in the world? They seems to make a game out of spinning current events into elaborate "textbook black ops".

They are like live-action role-players, who dress up as wizards and elfs and **** and play DnD in public, except their game is make-believe revolutionary fighters versus teh EVUL govermintz.

Come to think of it, has ANYTHING bad ever happened without the governments direct, malicious involvement to these people?
Conspiranoid Truism: all bad things are the fault of the NWO and all good things are just the NWO trying to placate the "sheeple."

Thus: "all things are actually bad and the fault of the NWO."
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Old 6th November 2009, 05:39 PM   #62
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Originally Posted by timhau View Post
Actually, it's probably for the best that the lone nutjobs at Prisonplanet think lone nutjobs can't commit spree killings.

The thought came to me that it's also in their best interest to preemptively deny the possibility, so that when one of them does snap (umm... again) and creates havoc on this scale, they can easily wash their hands of it by claiming it was actually a government operation.

I like your comment better, though.

As to Galileo's "When the People love the government, there is Big Brother" comment: another wacko that clearly doesn't understand 1984. Hell, the "why" of having a Big Brother was even explicitly described in the book1.

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ffm, they wouldn't let you type in all caps and use 20 exclamation points in a row unless you had it all figured out.
He's probably trying to sound like Alex Jones lol

Good ole argument from verbosity
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It's a cruddy situation and my best wishes for the families and comrades of those killed.

A determined individual can do a lot of damage with the right means. Maybe they can get some information from him if he survives long enough.
$10 says that if he dies in hospital, they'll say it's because the CIA/DOD/MAGOG silenced him
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Originally Posted by Galileo View Post
When the People fear the government, there is tyranny.

When the government fears the People, there is Liberty.

When the People love the government, there is Big Brother.

When the People love Galileo, there is Liberty!
Less than forty-eight hours since this tragedy happened and you've already hijacked it as an excuse to wallow in your own completely delusional sense of perspicacity and relevance like a pig wallows in its own excrement. You must feel very proud.
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People are quoting this at places like Raw Story, infowars and a woo forum I visit. What's the source?

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'Two US privates John Smith and John Henry had been seeing a military psychiatrist major Hasan at Fort hood for a few weeks. Both privates said they were completely against the war of oppression in the middle east and would refuse to report for active duty if ordered to do so.
So the army put them both in therapy with Dr. Hasan. After more than five weeks of therapy both Christian privates were called to go to Afghanistan. Both privates warned they would not go and they would defend themselves with force if the army tried to force them to fight in a war they believed was morally wrong.
Yesterday fellow soldiers tried to surprize the two consciencious objectors but the privates were prepared and killed 12 soldiers who tried to force their way into the privates' barracks at Fort Hood.
During the mele their psychiatrist major Hasan, tried to talk the two privates into surrendering but he was shot twice.
Finally both privates were overcome and killed. Their psychiatrist major Hasan is in hospital recovering.'
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I would do a quick search on AKO for any John Smith and John Henry in ft hood, but my account is no longer active.

Kinda funny that the names they used are the most common name in existence, and the other apparently was a steel driving man.

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'Two US privates John Smith and John Henry had been seeing a military psychiatrist major Hasan at Fort hood for a few weeks. Both privates said they were completely against the war of oppression in the middle east and would refuse to report for active duty if ordered to do so.
Problem - people on Active duty do not get "called up to active duty" again. If this scenario is true, he has a barracks room on post, meaning he is already active duty or a reservist/national guardsman who has been garrisoned on post - meaning he's already BEEN called up.



Yesterday fellow soldiers tried to surprize the two consciencious objectors but the privates were prepared and killed 12 soldiers who tried to force their way into the privates' barracks at Fort Hood.

Problem - There are no barracks around the Sports Dome.

During the mele their psychiatrist major Hasan, tried to talk the two privates into surrendering but he was shot twice.

Problem - Hasan was shot 4 times. And no one has said Hasan was trying to talk to anybody


Finally both privates were overcome and killed. Their psychiatrist major Hasan is in hospital recovering.'

Problem - There is no evidence at ALL of this. Whoever wrote this is a sad, delusion person
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People are quoting this at places like Raw Story, infowars and a woo forum I visit. What's the source?
Since it's full of misspellings and grammatical errors, it's safe to say it didn't originate from a real news story.
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Thanks, UC and Wildcat.

UC, can I quote you elsewhere?
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Since it's full of misspellings and grammatical errors, it's safe to say it didn't originate from a real news story.
To be fair, have you paid attention to the articles on the major news sites these days?
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I started laughing as soon as I saw "John Smith" and "John Henry."

The rest of it is just someone desperately trying to make out a story using the initial reports of two gunman while also couching it in an anti-war story. Notice they say "war of oppression in the middle east" which seals it that this is just anti-war rubbish.
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Originally Posted by orphia nay View Post
People are quoting this at places like Raw Story, infowars and a woo forum I visit. What's the source?

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'Two US privates John Smith and John Henry [...]

Names like these pretty much ensure that it's impossible to look them up.

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[...] had been seeing a military psychiatrist major Hasan at Fort hood for a few weeks. Both privates said they were completely against the war of oppression [...]

The phrase "war of oppression" would not appear, unquoted, in any mainstream news source. Whatever the source, that phrase shows blatant bias.
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From Australia's Muslim Village:

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as'Salamu alaikum wa rahmatu'Allah wa barakatuhu my dear brothers and sisters in Islam,

do you think it could be a scam similar to twin tower incident?
If they can kill 6000 of their own men (including Muslims) and blame Muslims for their own crime, their is a possibility that same kind may have happened in smaller scale here? ....10 years from now we will probably find out that the alleged major wasn't even on the spot at that time :-(

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Quite a few of the posters in that thread support the shooter but more seem to oppose the shooter.
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Thanks, UC and Wildcat.

UC, can I quote you elsewhere?
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Originally Posted by Unsecured Coins View Post
I would do a quick search on AKO for any John Smith and John Henry in ft hood, but my account is no longer active.

Kinda funny that the names they used are the most common name in existence, and the other apparently was a steel driving man.

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'Two US privates John Smith and John Henry had been seeing a military psychiatrist major Hasan at Fort hood for a few weeks. Both privates said they were completely against the war of oppression in the middle east and would refuse to report for active duty if ordered to do so.
Problem - people on Active duty do not get "called up to active duty" again. If this scenario is true, he has a barracks room on post, meaning he is already active duty or a reservist/national guardsman who has been garrisoned on post - meaning he's already BEEN called up.



Yesterday fellow soldiers tried to surprize the two consciencious objectors but the privates were prepared and killed 12 soldiers who tried to force their way into the privates' barracks at Fort Hood.

Problem - There are no barracks around the Sports Dome.

During the mele their psychiatrist major Hasan, tried to talk the two privates into surrendering but he was shot twice.

Problem - Hasan was shot 4 times. And no one has said Hasan was trying to talk to anybody


Finally both privates were overcome and killed. Their psychiatrist major Hasan is in hospital recovering.'

Problem - There is no evidence at ALL of this. Whoever wrote this is a sad, delusion person
I would do a search on AKO for you, but given those names, the number of people I'm likely to turn up would turn it into an extremely exhausting search. Plus, not all the AKO profiles have the correct unit and military base annotated on them.
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Old 8th November 2009, 04:15 PM   #76
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True, but I think it is also derived from the JFK thing. It seems to be a part of Conspiracy Mythos that a lone shooter can't do these things. They seem to think bad things need to have a huge evil entity backing them and supporting them and not just some lone nutjob.

This was my thought as well. As soon as someone said "lone gunmen" they all switched into gear without even thinking about it. It's knee jerk time.

ETA: I also wish to extend my best wishes to UC, and I sincerely hope that no one he knows was hurt or otherwise involved in this nightmare.

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...by one shooter with one semi-auto handgun and a non semi auto one?
What the hell is a "non-semi-automatic handgun"? Wouldn't that make it just a handgun or...um...maybe an automatic handgun?


Originally Posted by Perfume V View Post
Less than forty-eight hours since this tragedy happened and you've already hijacked it as an excuse to wallow in your own completely delusional sense of perspicacity and relevance like a pig wallows in its own excrement. You must feel very proud.
Actually, I have heard that pigs, if left to their own devices, are really quite clean. They are also supposed to be extremely intelligent animals. Two ways in which they do not resemble Galileo (the current one on this forum, not the Pisan scientist.)
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Originally Posted by Sabrina View Post
I would do a search on AKO for you, but given those names, the number of people I'm likely to turn up would turn it into an extremely exhausting search. Plus, not all the AKO profiles have the correct unit and military base annotated on them.
Just performed the search. There is no one in the Army by the name of John Henry in Fort Hood, Texas, that is a registered AKO user. Considering all military members, active and reserve, are required to register for AKO, I think we can safely say there is no such person who is active or reserve duty Army at Fort Hood who might have actually been a shooter at the incident. As for John Smith, there is only one stationed at Fort Hood, however, he is listed as a SSG.

Interesting coincidence, his middle name is Henry.
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Originally Posted by Sabrina View Post
We REALLY need to advocate fact-checking in the media
Here here!

Ask and you shall receive:

Originally Posted by Unsecured Coins View Post
Finally both privates were overcome and killed. Their psychiatrist major Hasan is in hospital recovering.'

Problem - There is no evidence at ALL of this. Whoever wrote this is a sad, delusion person
Thanks for the fact-check UC. Glad to hear you are ok, and my heart goes out to the families of the victims. Its hard enough to lose someone in combat...this...I have no words.

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When the People fear the government, there is tyranny.

When the government fears the People, there is Liberty.
- Thomas Jefferson, smart guy.

I'd quit there if I were you, Galileo (see Cl1mh4224rd's footnote for details).

If I might add to this myself:

Quote:
When American troops are shooting at each other, we have anarchy, which is about as far away from a government plot as one can get.
And a quick QFT:

Originally Posted by Perfume V View Post
Less than forty-eight hours since this tragedy happened and you've already hijacked it as an excuse to wallow in your own completely delusional sense of perspicacity and relevance like a pig wallows in its own excrement. You must feel very proud.
Well said.

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Originally Posted by Sabrina View Post
Just performed the search. There is no one in the Army by the name of John Henry in Fort Hood, Texas, that is a registered AKO user. Considering all military members, active and reserve, are required to register for AKO, I think we can safely say there is no such person who is active or reserve duty Army at Fort Hood who might have actually been a shooter at the incident. As for John Smith, there is only one stationed at Fort Hood, however, he is listed as a SSG.

Interesting coincidence, his middle name is Henry.
Thanks for that, Sabrina!

What's an SSG and an AKO?


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