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17th November 2016, 01:50 PM | #521 |
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I was rather hoping "back on topic" might get away from the overly-beaten dead horse of rape & consider the original much-ballyhooed fantasy of the "end times." That's a broader topic of overarching interest to some splinter groups (read here knotheads) and provides more room for discussion (read here fun) than quibbling over one word in one prohibition.
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17th November 2016, 02:45 PM | #524 |
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The thread has suffered from an apparent lack of focus because the title is misleading. Paul's contention seems to be that the specifics of that passage are bound up in his "End Times" mythology because he sees sexual immorality as the deciding factor of when an Armageddon is approaching. His recent (probably split to another thread) comments justifying the drowning of children in Noah's flood argued that such a thing was fine because sexual immorality had, in his opinion, lead to the paternal lineage of the drowned children being unknown. Not knowing who your biological father is seems to be a capital offense in PB's mythology.
I think the thread's real point is not really a discussion of End Times mythology, but an exploration of PB's psychology in relation to his severe issues around sex and race. I'm having a blast speculating on what life events could ferment such a twisted, bound and contorted view of human sexuality and ethnicity. I suspect there's an interracial child in his family somewhere he absolutely HATES and wishes to kill. |
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From Paul "3) Then as always the judgement of YHVH against those that commit adultery." Except of course when Yahweh is OK with it. The Patriarchs and several of the Kings all had multiple wives - as Paul has defined this as adultery then he would have to accept that: Abraham; Issac; Jacob; David; and Solomon are all being punished for their adultery - except they weren't. the first three are honoured in Jewish faith for being the fathers of the faith and the second two were not only elevated to kingship, but were considered to be great kings in the Biblical presentation. But... that means that Jesus (of the house of David, on both sides of the family!) is from adulterous relationships!!!!11!! Thanks, Border Reiver! (Sorry, quotes may be unclear) |
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I suspect that the frustration of not getting through to people and that from not being able to produce evidence as asked causes some to lose sight of the MA. It must be intensely frustrating to "know" something, be eager to share it and have no one respond as desired/expected.
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As you may have noticed, Paul Bethke has, despite my many please, refused to provide this proof.
I have also pointed out to him that the two Bible quotes he was using as evidence of my supposed need to convert and repent, actually disproved the existence of his god. The fact that it is possible to exhume deceased murderers proves they have not been taken bodily into hell, and the complete absence of proof that should have been readily apparent 2,000 years ago shows that passage was sphericals too. Paul Bethke, if you're reading this: you might want to reflect on this too, before you post any more ill-chosen Bible quotes that refute your own arguments as to the existence of this god of yours. |
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23rd November 2016, 12:07 PM | #533 |
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That'd be pretty much the opposite of global warming, wouldn't it?
Better than death by Yoko Ono I suppose, unless it's death by Yoko Ono snu-snu. It would be the auditory adventure of a lifetime. I'll be on Holodeck 4. Related: http://img02.deviantart.net/c800/i/2...al-d6xfj86.jpg (Before criticizing me for this post, kindly take note of the text on my avatar.) |
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Back on the topic of right wing ******** making wild claims about Judaism:
Debunking Ben Shapiro’s Delusional and Revolting Interpretations of ‘Torah Judaism’
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Signs of the END
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I am quite busy so I do not have the pleasure of debating with ALL the wise people on the Forum. I have been suspended twice and as yet do not know why—I have requested an explanation, but have received none. But none the less I am more than ever confident in my understanding of the will of the Creator than before. The Scriptures are complex but not complicated if one starts from the beginning, believing that the Creator is the designer of all. So taken everything into account, there is only one way in which Yahweh can prove his sovereignty, and that is to display his creative power. This has always been the way, and will be the manner in the nearby future. The method that was employed in liberating the Hebrews out of bondage, will be the same way that Yahweh will subdue the earth and establish his Kingdom on earth through the Church. Exo 9:15 By now I could have stretched out my hand and struck you and your people with such severe plagues that you would have been wiped off the earth. Exo 9:16 But it is for this very reason that I have kept you alive — to show you my power, and so that my Name may resound throughout the whole earth. So the display of the POWER of Yahweh is to establish his Name throughout the world at that time, and will be the same reason in this time. So in the same way that Yahweh used Moses, a man, he will repeat that in this day. Exo 4:21 The LORD said to Moses, "When you return to Egypt, see that you perform before Pharaoh all the wonders I have given you the power to do. But I will harden his heart so that he will not let the people go. So God gives power to men to demonstrate his sovereignty---this is also confirmed in Revelation. (Rev 11:3 And I will give power to my two witnesses, and they will prophesy for 1,260 days, clothed in sackcloth." ) This power is at the disposal of men to do whatever they like in order to fulfill the words of God, in establishing his Kingdom on earth. ( Rev 11:6 These men have power to shut up the sky so that it will not rain during the time they are prophesying; and they have power to turn the waters into blood and to strike the earth with every kind of plague as often as they want. ) As I mentioned, I am quite busy, so I will have little time to respond to the avalanche of response. And remember this is an END time prediction, so maybe I will not be suspended again. |
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To be clear, yours is one of many, many end time predictions with nothing to recommend it over any other.
As to this power, if it exists, obviously you don't have any of it so I'm not sure why you brought it up. As for plagues, sorry, no need for gods to explain those; we've got that covered. |
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Yes, yes, I am well aware of what you say—but we must put an END to all these end time predictions, which are not the real END.
You see the END is not the end, but the beginning, this is where I differ with the end time predictors. It is putting an END to sin, and not the end of the world. Hope you are better informed now? The power will come in due time! |
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Signs of the End Times - Part Two
Same old, same old. Still no reason for us to consider your false prophet ass any more reliable than any other false prophet. BTW: I'm pretty sure your repeated suspensions are for personal insults. I'm basing that upon what I remember of the comments that were edited for rule breaches. You have demonstrated a consistent problem with criticizing the person marking an argument instead of the argument itself. Specifically, I've noticed you are fond of claiming people don't agree with you because they aren't smart enough to understand your arguments. You then threaten us with divine retribution, which often crosses the line into threats, something else banned on the forum. While getting nasty and personal with ad hominem attacks works well in politics, the moderators here crack down on it when used against forum members. I can call you a false prophet because, by the very Biblical standards you espouse, you are a false prophet. I can criticize your laughably incompetent efforts at using Hebrew and Greek to support your arguments because I'm using factual grounds to criticize the arguments. I CANNOT however call you too stupid to understand the Greek or Hebrew you're trying to use. That would be a personal insult, not an argument about your claims. Do you see the difference? |
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I'm guessing it's because you keep calling everyone stupid when they point out your mistakes.
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But then again there's the problem with the mortal proxies. What kind of god gives up his omnipotence to fallible, capricious mortals to do with as they please? We're back to the same evidentiary problem. God proves his existence and power by hiding behind mortals and letting them do whatever they way. That's indistinguishable from mortals doing whatever they want and blaming a superstition for the consequences.
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Well, no, you're just playing word games. It doesn't matter whether you call it the "end times" or the "Happy Funtime Apocalypse-a-Palooza," the theme remains the same: it's the hypothetical time when the self-proclaimed righteous get rewarded for persecuting all the right people here on Earth in God's name, and everyone who opposed religion gets burned to a crisp.
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When real power is not hard to find, religious bluster simply falls short. For two thousand years Christians have been warning us that we'd better behave and obey them otherwise God is gonna endow them with supreme power and wipe us all out. There's no actual power in evidence. Oh sure, there's the illusion of power wielded ecclesiastically by people who convince others they speak for that God and that by doing what the human proxies say they'll be spared. That evaporates pretty quickly when it's revealed to be a con. |
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Not so righteousness comes from adherence to the laws of the Creator, it cannot be attained from any other source. The most important perception is to understand that the Creator is justified in his actions, it is not to relish the suffering of humanity, but to eradicate suffering.
This is evident today with all the acts of terror, remove those who believe that they have a cause to inflict terror. There is a vast amount of evidence regarding the terror that man has inflicted upon man. The true purpose of the Gospel is to prepare people to meet with God—man’s natural instinct is to flee from the holy presence of God, so a procedure is necessary to accustom man to live in the holy Presence of God.
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The just laws of man does not equip him to automatically come into the presence of God. A just person should see the justice of God and accept his sovereignty. My point is that there should be no armed assailants to terrorise people, so deal with the armed assailant in a way that they cease their terror, or remove the assailant from society.
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I don't submit to being governed by your god. Clearly billions of people do not submit to being governed by your god. I can do this with impunity because your god can't stop me from breaking his laws. Where are your god's police? Where are his courts? Vague threats and failed attempts do not a government make.
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Is it? Really? How does that work then? Natural instincts are honed by millions of years of evolution. I have never felt the need to "flee from the holy presence of god" because I have never encountered such. Neither, as far as I know, has anyone else in any kind of verifiable circumstance.
Then we have the thorny problem of why people would instinctively flee the presence of what is supposed to be the ultimate good. Also, how can you flee something that is omnipresent? Plus, even if we, for the sake of argument, accept that your made-up fairy tales are true, then there are no "natural instincts". The only instincts are what god put into us. Why would he create an instinct to flee his presence, whilst insisting that the true purpose of our lives is to follow his laws so as to spend all eternity in his presence? Is heaven full of dead people desperately trying to get out? I've read this three times, and I cannot make head nor tail of it. You appear to be saying that your omnipotent deity cannot do anything until people understand what he is trying to do, and he can't explain what that is either, possibly because of some special clause in the Rules of Godhood that says he has to do it in one go, even though any and all of these things would be trivially easy for an all-powerful god. Is that what you're saying? It's really no wonder you haven't made any converts. Why would anyone subscribe to this ridiculous nonsense? |
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Exactly, most secular laws are far better, and the rest are equal. The prohibitions against theft, murder, and perjury are reasonable laws that the legendary Moses cribbed from every earlier civilization and written legal code and do not require the imaginary authority of an imaginary being for validity.
Many of the Biblical laws fall far short of the standards set by most secular legal systems - the laws concerning rape are an excellent example. The laws are arbitrary in their application, as their application varies based on the location of the alleged offence, or the status of the victim. Furthermore, the ability of the perpetrator to pay a sum of money to an uninvolved third party and then marry the victim, reduces the victim to the level of damaged property, not as a human being. And of course the laws are also silent about homosexual rape, or female on male rape, which should render the Biblical laws concerning rape as less inclusive or effective then modern laws. |
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Does water have no meaning to you simply because you don't expect to ever run out of it? It may have less meaning in a place of plenty than in a place of drought, but that doesn't render it valueless. And don't we, in areas where there IS plenty of water, have empathy for and and a desire to aid those stricken by drought? |
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Not so, the only direct actions that Yahweh is supposed to have taken have been to introduce death and disease into the world, caused people to have to work hard for bare survival, introduced murder into the world, lets not forget the alleged near genocide of all life, and then there's all the mischief he is said to have caused by "giving" his people land already occupied by other people, resulting in either a genocidal war of extermination (if you believe the Biblical account) or absolutely nothing (if the archeological and historical evidence is believed). Frankly, all this Yahweh has done is cause suffering.
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And based on those works, he's a psychopath with strong misogynistic and narcissistic tendencies. Why would I want to be in his presence again?
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I'm fairly sure I pointed out to Paul many, many pages back that II Peter is a forgery.
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And if you could prove there were any sort of actual deity behind that, you'd have a point. Self-righteousness comes from inventing a creator, projecting your motives onto him, absolving yourself of any secular responsibility for what actions follow from those motives, and declaring yourself to be special because of it.
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Secular laws will never be on par with Biblical laws unless our society embraces genocide and genetic guilt.
Donald Trump on terrorists: 'Take out their families' We'd also need to legally formalize the reduction of women to property and incubators instead of human beings with individual rights and agency. Ohio’s new abortion law is an assault on Roe. Crap. |
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No it cannot be a forgery—why forge the truth—no it harmonises with other Scriptures.
It was included in the Bible after careful scrutiny. 2 Peter 3:1 Dear friends, this is now my second letter to you. I have written both of them as reminders to stimulate you to wholesome thinking. |
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