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For his sake I hope he's not planning to try and physically visit my house to assault me. Most the online databases have me munged up with two different people who share my name. One is police officer and the other is a career criminal. I've met the police officer. He's one of the "In peak physical condition to protect and serve" police officers. I don't know much about the career criminal, but I know just hearing the shared name makes many of the town's police officers hover their hands over their guns until they confirm I'm NOT him. Neither man strikes me as one you'd want to target in a home invasion and poor Paul would have a 2 in 3 chance of going to the wrong house.
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Which means that:
1. either the laws pertaining to Temple polity and activities have, in fact, "disappeared"; or 2. your Jesus is said to be said to be holding you to a physical impossibility; or 3. you are making this up as you go along. Interesting concept of "infallibility" and "perfect understanding". Especially in the light of words said to be said to have been said by your Jesus himself (xf Matt.15:14 ff.) You have already demonstrated that you make a cafeteria-line out of the "Mitzvot" that you choose to follow, using whatever excuse you can color with plausibility. To be "in control", your 'god' (the 'god' about addressing which you show an odd inconsitency, for an "infallible" "prophet" with "perfect understanding") would have to be demonstrated to exist. That single failing makes everything else you assert simply moot. Not to mention, the Sabbath is calculated from sundown, local (independent of Daylight Saving Time and time zones). The horizon rises when it rises, giving the appearance of sundown at any locale. Interesting that your "perfect understanding" does not encompass that. Interesting that your own convenience dictates which of the Mitzvot have not "disappeared"... Correctly. Interesting that your "perfect understanding" does not encompass that. |
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You know, this all hinges on the bible not being just the work of faillible men.
But even if it's divine inspiration, why should we care? Why should god dictate how human beings live? I mean, right off the bat, that rule is stupid. The husband is dead. Let her find some love in her life again. Especially if she's still of child-bearing age. I mean, you guys love that stuff, right? Otherwise it clashes with the "be fruitful have **** like rabbits" bit of the book. So, stupid rule. Why should I follow a stupid god? (and, again, we haven't established that he exists! So many hurdles!) As to the first line of your post, it's ridiculous on its face. No definition of the word "violence" fits with your intepretation. Call it "wrong" if you like, but it isn't "violence" any more than me dissassembling the old familiy house "violent". |
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I thought you have read Tanakh/OT?
Did you miss the part in Ezekiel where it says the Temple will be rebuilt after the war of Gog and Magog? And that animal sacrifices will return? See Ezekiel 45. I thought you said the Tanakh/OT was the "infallible word of God". Is Ezekiel part of that? If you say 'yes', then that throws your ^ quote all to hell. I am trying to! But you did not like my question about the "Third Temple". So (as usual) you refused to answer. *sigh* Okay, now back to the regularly scheduled programme about the (And the mitzvot, which clearly seem to confuse Paul B......) |
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Well Good day to you—without being rude, let me say this is typical of people who have read my posts and then turn them into something that I did not advocate.
On no occasion have I stated that a married woman who has become a widow cannot remarry. Let me steer you to the injunction---Rom 7:2 For example, by law a married woman is bound to her husband as long as he is alive, but if her husband dies, she is released from the law of marriage. Rom 7:3 So then, if she marries another man while her husband is still alive, she is called an adulteress. But if her husband dies, she is released from that law and is not an adulteress, even though she marries another man. But what must be considered is that she cannot marry a divorced man. Well as the Creator surely he has an interest in how people live—if they live contrary to his likes, then he must interject. He has given laws that when adhered to will yield the best way for people to enjoy life. Not only that, God enjoys the fellowship of his creation, this fellowship involves keeping his laws, but further to that, a rejection of his laws will result in enmity with him, which then determines one eternal abode. Divorce is an act of violence—it is the violent separation of a unity—it is ripping apart, it in many cases is the catalyst to violence, because jealousy is involved. It is love turned to hatred. What about the children? So as we are dealing with the END times it is appropriate for God to restore the marriage covenant as he intended it to be in the beginning. |
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Well with reference to the third Temple –how can that be when the second Temple was not built?
Yes I have studied the Old Testament, and am aware of what Ezekiel saw as the Temple –but which one did he see? So now how are the Jews going to build this third Temple when the site is occupied by the Muslims third holy place? I am not confused in the least---what I referred to was the return of the Jews to Israel—but not all Jews are from the twelve tribes. So which tribe do you come from? |
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How can it be vague when on so many occasions I have stated that the creative things will be the objects of YHVH great demonstration of his power, which involves the sun, moon and stars.
Luke_21:25 "There will be signs in the sun, moon and stars. On the earth, nations will be in anguish and perplexity at the roaring and tossing of the sea. Nothing vague about that! |
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How can it be vague? It does not address any of the following, meaning that anything can be understood to be a sign, and to paraphrase the super villain Syndrome, "If everything is a sign, nothing is." What are the signs that will be visible in the sun, moon and stars? What is meant by "anguish and perplexity"? What nations are being referred to? |
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1st November 2016, 01:58 PM | #97 |
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Signs of the End Times - Part Two
Dude, you're wrong. Really, really wrong.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Temple You claim to have read the Bible yet somehow MISSED the fact that the temple Jesus went to was the second temple. The destruction of Jerusalem, Babylonian exile, reconstruction after the exile, all these events washed over you without you wondering where the Temple Jesus went to and talked about came from if Solomon's temple was destroyed. Apparently not very well. What temple did you think Jesus preached at when he was 12? Which temple did you think he threw the money changers out of? Did you think that was Solomon's Temple?!?!? You do realize of course that's not a "gotya" question that helps you in any way, right? Christian mythology about the End Times requires the third temple to be rebuilt as well, in part because of the very passages Zivan brought up. There are a number of groups making all sorts of plans to make the third temple happen. The plans range from the comically optimistic to the overtly terrorist and everything in between. http://www.templemount.org/tempprep.html http://www.haaretz.com/news/yatom-je...-plot-1.129418 In trying to fathom the claim that no second temple was ever built I learned that there is a movement to deny any of the temples were ever built: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Temple_Denial This CAN'T be what is being referred to here as denying the first or second temple existed would mean denying the accuracy of the Bible, something I don't think you would do. The second temple can even be verified by archaeology and historical documents! |
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"Vagueness" because you have learned not to be specific.
"Vagueness" because every single time you have pretended to specificity, you have been demonstrated to be a false prophet...which is odd for someone "infallible", with "perfect understanding". Nonsense. It is nothing but vagueness. WHAT "signs" in the sun? WHAT "signs" in the moon? WHAT "signs" in the stars? If you are not specific, ahead of time, than you are not making "prophecies", but postdictions. Puny "infallibility, that. You may not be aware of it, but the "sea" is always "roaring and tossing" somewhere. What kind of "sign" is something that is always goijng on? Yep. Vagueness. Odd thing for "perfect understanding" to hide behind. |
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halleyscomet has already answered this very well.
Your bible OT says there were two Temples. A 1st and a 2nd Temple. According to you, is the Tanakh/OT true? Or false? Obviously you are not very "aware". (As halleyscomet already has shown you). The 2nd Temple was not built according to the description in Ezekiel. There is a record (other than the Tanakh) of the destruction of the 2nd Temple. Ever heard of the Arch of Titus in Rome? Josephus? Archeology? You claim you are "infallible" and "perfect in understanding". Do you not have all the answers? I will just leave this one alone. The mods are watching. I. Will. Not. Touch. This. One. Levi |
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Signs of the End Times - Part Two
I'm right with you there. After pages of him insisting Genesis is literal and Noah's flood happened exactly as described in the Bible, he goes and denies the second temple, one of the historically and archaeologically verifiable details. And it's not like it's a trivial detail. The destruction of Solomon's temple was a big deal. The conquest of Jerusalem was built up to in passages covering the decline and fall of the nation of Israel after Solomon failed to provide for a clean line of succession. Multiple kings of both kingdoms had to screw up to make it happen. And he MISSED it. How does that HAPPEN to someone who supposedly read the entire Old Testament? Dear Moderators, For the record, I stated the above not as an attack on Paul, but to directly address his claims of Biblical knowledge and perfect understanding. He claims to be infallible, yet appears ignorant of the bulk of the dress and grooming laws he claims he should be following. Now he has demonstrated quite clearly he does not know Jesus wasn't visiting Solomon's temple. Missing the destruction of the first temple is not quite as bad as claiming to be an expert on WWII's Pacific theater and being unaware of Pearl Harbor, but it's close. It's not as humiliating as claiming a comprehensive, encyclopedic knowledge of WWII's European theater and saying, "Poland? What's that? A drink?" But it's close. It is however a perfectly reasonable mistake for a second grade Sunday School student to make, as they've rarely gotten that far in the Bible. It's a perfectly reasonable error for many laypeople, as Churches tend to gloss over most of the period from Solomon to Jesus. It's not an excusable lapse in knowledge for someone who claims an infallible understanding of the Bible. |
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You have pointed out even more irony. Paul B accepts myths as "facts", but ignores actual facts as "myths".
Sorry I did not answer this sooner. (I missed it during the split). The only one I know about in English is the Brown-Driver-Briggs Lexicon. It is old (an update is being written) but over all it is much better than Strong's. (I feel bad for how much Strong's misleads people with SO MANY of the errors in it). But, you have to be careful with online BDB "sources". Many Christian sites claim to reference BDB, BUT, they then add their own "translations" (which are wrong) to it. (They do this as the only way to make their JC "proof-texts" "work"). The 'biblehub' website seems to quote BDB accurately, even when they add their own inaccurate "meanings". Here is an example (the Strong's is incorrect, but the BDB entry along with it is correct) http://biblehub.com/hebrew/5959.htm Unlike this site which claims they are referencing BDB, but they are just using their own false interpretation (which can easily be proven as false) http://www.biblestudytools.com/lexic...nas/almah.html You can buy the BDB Lexicon here: https://www.amazon.com/Brown-Driver-.../dp/1565632060 The listings in BDB are in Hebrew, so it can be difficult to look up a word for a non-speaker. But in the back is an index with Strong's numbers, cross referenced to the page in BDB where you can find the word. You can look up a word online using Strong's to get the number for the cross reference. Just ignore what Strong's says(!) you only need the Strong's number to get the correct info from BDB. Sorry if that is confusing! (I found out about Strong's by non-Hebrew speaking missionaries "proving" I do not know Hebrew, and they will "teach" me proper Hebrew----by using Strong's). (From looking up online Strong's, I found the BDB). |
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Thank you very much! I've added it to my Amazon wish list. I'll check with my wife to see if she already has a copy. I'll also look up what the pending rewrite will consist of. As for the Christians trying to school you on Hebrew, I hope you were able to set them straight but I wouldn't be surprised if they didn't listen. My mother is a big fan of Joseph Prince, who makes all sorts of weird claims about secret messianic messages "hidden" in Hebrew. I ran one of the claims my mother repeated to me by some Jewish friends, a rabbi and an Episcopalian minister friend of mine who studied Hebrew and Aramaic heavily. They all said his claims were crap and largely agreed in the tortured stretches needed to even try to imagine a justification for his claims. When I took their conclusions back to my mother she replied that these Hebrew scholars, who'd never heard of Charismatic Televangelist Joseph Prince, were lying because they were "jealous of his success." Somehow, the fact that these completely disconnected people whose only common bind was ME all came to the SAME conclusion by the same reasoning, was somehow proof they were conspiring against Jospeh Prince. |
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The only good thing about communism is that no man can have two women until all men have one.
Or something like that, only slightly more screwy than the claptrap in the bible. How's that whole "the end is near" jive working out? have you stocked up on magic underwear and unleavened bread? |
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You are very welcome!
You are 100% correct. They refuse to listen! Yes, this is how they all *think*. They are very frustrating to deal with. All the "hidden" meaning must mean 'Jesus'! One of the funny ones is the Hebrew 'et' (את) which is the direct object marker in a sentence. There is no translation for it. It is a marker. So, missionaries get all excited because in Genesis it says "In the beginning God created (et) the heavens and (et) the earth". 'Et' in Hebrew is spelled with the alef (א) and (ת) tav, first and last letters of the alef-bet. Therefore, it means-----Jesus!! See! Proof! Jesus is God! So, we like to makes jokes about it, since את is written everywhere. Pick up a bag of crisps in Israel and on the label includes the את. Obviously, the bag of crisps really is about Jesus! Same with ice cream, toothpaste, toilet paper, socks, arak, you name it. Jesus is everywhere! But, Jews are too blind to see! And there is sooo much more........ |
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Clearly my mother and the missionaries harassing you are using a shared playbook.
Lo and behold, Jospeh Prince makes that very error: http://www.josephprince.org/daily-gr...he-final-word/ And then adds this to it:
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I wish there was a *rolling on the floor laughing* smiley
How thick can they be? Mixing up Hebrew square script (ashuri) used today, (since Babylon times) with paleo-hebrew script. Paleo-hebrew was not consistent and the letters varied a lot. But the tav usually looks like a 'X', not a cross. And will they make up their mind what kind of animal Jesus was? Human? Godling? Lamb? Ox? Because nailing ice cream would have been too tricky? I have never heard of him until you told me. Maybe he will come to Israel and we can tell him to look for converts in Mea She'arim (ultra-ultra orthodox section of Jerusalem. They will stone your car if you try to drive through there on shabbat) and just let nature takes its course........... |
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Well for starters some of the signs that are recorded as having been done---the one occasion where the sun was redirected to go backwards, and the other occasion where the sun stood still for a day.
My thinking is that this will cause a lot of anguish and perplexity---surely a scientific mind can tell you what the consequences will be—but take into account that this did happen and the world is still here. So this will be an END time demonstration to end all blasphemy. |
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The sun "standing still for a day" would result in an end all right - the end of all life on the planet. And, before going on about this having happened before, no it most certainly did not. The conquest of Canaan did not happen as described - the archeological evidence does not indicate that it happened AT ALL. The events described in Exodus, etc are falsehoods written down centuries after they are alleged to have happened to give a the ruling elites of the time they were written a basis for their control - we rule here because our God gave us control. |
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Are you, personally, taking credit for those supposed "signs"?
You were not here, nor was anyone alive, to see those "signs" happen. In fact, your only evidence for those "signs" is "recorded" in a source that you, personally, cannot read; a source that also claims that snakes and donkeys talk. I am curious--do you, personally, think the sun goes around the earth, or the other way 'round? To what "this" do you refer? You have yet to make any actual prediction (other than the ones that demonstrated you to be a false propet; a blind guide... What would you have us suppose "happened"? A "scientific mind" will point out that the "sun standing still in the sky" is exactly as much a fairy tale as ƴ ͤ fludde, or the "plagues" of the "exodus"; uqually detatched from reality. ...and you have no intention of making any specific prediction. You need the veil of vagueness behind which you are hiding, in order to avoid having it demonstrated, once again, how false a prophet you are. surprise |
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Nasty, you know I can read so why are you so unenlightened—you see it was like this in the days of Noah, they also ridiculed Noah, but the day did come according to the Scriptures, and they were all swept away.
(Luke_17:27 People were eating, drinking, marrying and being given in marriage up to the day Noah entered the ark. Then the flood came and destroyed them all.)
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Not so—the Creator can institute a change that will not destroy all life as he did in the first demonstration.
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False! There is no such exclusion. Read the Torah: a woman must remain with the man who rapes her, as long as he lives. Only difference is that the rapist must pay the woman's father fifty shekels - around half a kilo - of silver, in compensation for his daughter's virginity. See Deuteronomy 22
28 If a man find a damsel that is a virgin, which is not betrothed, and lay hold on her, and lie with her, and they be found; 29 then the man that lay with her shall give unto the damsel’s father fifty shekels of silver, and she shall be his wife; because he hath humbled her, he may not put her away all his days. |
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