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14th March 2017, 06:44 AM | #2241 |
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Well, …
Considering that if you are correct about your God, then that would mean that the only way for one to get into heaven would be for one to be some sort of totally worthless God sycophant who never questions the logic of your God and/or questions the actions of your God. Otherwise, one will be going to hell. As for me, if those were my only two choices, then I would choose hell. After all, even if I made it to heaven, then I am sure that God would soon realize that he made a terrible mistake and that God would send me off to hell in short order since I could not abide a God who is so incredibly powerful, and yet who is so incredibly stupid and brutal. Therefore, it would save both of us some trouble if I were sent off to hell right straight away. |
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MENTIONED in the bible; not supported by a single credible source, particularly those most directly affected by the supposed event*.
*This applies to any number of "events" MENTIONED in the bible but having not a shred of credible evidence. (And having evidence of a non-occurrence would be proof of a negative, a rather tricky bit of business.) |
14th March 2017, 08:07 AM | #2243 |
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It is recorded in "Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire" and you have no evidence that it did not occur. Go ahead. Prove the events in "Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire" DIDN'T happen, as your asking us to do with Bible stories. You can't. You can point to the lack of evidence to support the claim that the events in "Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire" never happened, but the book itself contains explanations for why you, a Muggle, would not have that evidence. I would say that the Harry Potter series is EASIER to defend as a literal truth than the Bible largely because the Bible makes a great many claims that are contradicted by multiple historical sources. |
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Signs of the End Times - Part Two
Let's not mince words. You're talking about the survivors of a bloody, violent, brutal genocidal religious war living lives of obedient terror under the rule of the victors. Congratulations. You're advocating a Jesus-flavored version of what DAESH is trying to do. Convert to Islam and you can get exactly what you want, right down to death before divorce and keeping kosher. |
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Sounds like a party! And given descriptions of past behavior, we have no assurance that Yahweh will spare the innocent or the righteous. The end-times stories are meant to scare people into obedience: all you have to do is obey those who claim to speak for Yahweh and he will spare you at the last day. But Bethke can't reconcile that promise with past behavior.
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14th March 2017, 08:34 AM | #2249 |
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No, a rebuttal. You insinuate that just because an event is described in a book, it must necessarily have happened. He gave you an example of events recorded in books that likely did not happen. You insinuate that someone who disbelieves that something occurred has the burden to prove it did not occur. He's asking you to validate that argument by proving that an event recorded in a book did not occur, just as you expect others to do in rebutting you.
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Is it not man that Yahweh relied on that deviated from the injunction that God gave.
I have analysed all that is about Yahweh and found that God is holy and is justified by his righteous actions. As I have stated on a number of times, Yahweh relies on man, and if man deviates from the mandate, then God is powerless until he can find another person. This may sound strange, but in the END God will find a person who understands his will and is prepared to carry out the mandate. Isa 6:8 Then I heard the voice of the Lord saying, "Whom shall I send? And who will go for us?" And I said, "Here am I. Send me!" |
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Don't be silly. You haven't done any such thing. You've ignored all the problems with Yahweh as an unjust, vengeful god and deluded yourself into thinking you've proven your point.
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14th March 2017, 09:35 AM | #2254 |
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Have you READ the Bible?
Clearly not. It's chock full of examples of God doing whatever they very well please regardless of if a suitable human prophet can be found. Your insistence that any deity described in the Bible "needs" a human prophet is complete and utter bullocks. It isn't just Biblically illiterate, it's heresy in just about any Christian or Jewish denomination out there. Your refusal to accept evidence does not negate the accuracy of the evidence. I'm not the one calling that horrorshow you're advocating "peace," you are. Thank you for admitting that your view of "peace" is skewed. Thank you. I'm not expecting any sort of real response from Paul Bethke on this topic. His arguments rarely, if ever, venture beyond "because I say that's what it means!" He appears to expect to be treated as infallible just because he lies about having the gift of prophesy. |
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Hardly, the fact that something is written down in a book does not make a real person, thing, or event. Using the logic of "̀t's written in the Bible, the Bible describes some historical events, therefore it must be true" at a very basic level we can ascertain that:
a. Lieutenant Colonel (Ret'd) Richard Sharpe and Sgt (Ret'd) Patrick Harper were actual people; b. Uthred, son of Uthred served Alfred the Great; c. Harry Flashman was a Victorian hero whose deeds have been sadly overlooked by modern historians and his great work "Dawns and Departures" is probably forgotten in some used book store; d. Casca Rufio Longinius not only was the Roman soldier who stabbed a particular Jewish preacher with his spear, but is still among us today; e. MacBeth was a deeply unpopular monarch who maintained power by means of witchcraft and brutality; f. Johnny Canuck did punch Adolf Hitler (and about a month or two later Captain Steve Rogers did the same); g. George Washington threw a dollar coin across the Potomac River; etc. |
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In which our Hero Discovers a New Series to Explore
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The 1st in the series is simply "Flashman." "Flashman and the Redskins" is two connected stories that take place in the American West in 1849 and 1876, respectively. Sadly, Flashy's adventures during the American Civil War were never recorded, although he does meet Abraham Lincoln and inspire "Uncle Tom's Cabin" in another volume. There are several titles that I'm forgetting. His final appearance in literature is as a secondary character in "Mr. American."
As you will note in the forward to each volume, while you have to take Flashy at his word on a great many things, he is dead - on accurate wherever events can be checked. This signature is intended to irritate people. |
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Well everyone will eventually die, but it is where one goes when one dies, in the Presence of a holy righteous Creator, or in a place of utter darkness.
Your rejection of the truth will invariably destine you to the place of utter darkness, if you do not repent, and that will be my fault if I do not provide the evidence that there is a God. |
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Sin cannot be private as it has an outcome—a man committing adultery in a secluded place is not private. All sin has an effect.
Pro_17:23 A wicked man accepts a bribe in secret to pervert the course of justice. Jer_23:24 Can anyone hide in secret places so that I cannot see him?" declares the LORD. "Do not I fill heaven and earth?" declares the LORD. So all your secret sins will be revealed. Eph_5:13 But everything exposed by the light becomes visible, |
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But Yeshua did die and rose again, this historical fact has stood the test of time. The evidence must be in his words---- Joh 14:12 I tell you the truth, anyone who has faith in me will do what I have been doing. He will do even greater things than these, because I am going to the Father.
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You have already admitted you don't have this evidence.
Have you thought how you're going to explain all the lost souls for which you will be responsible, to your god? As I've said (twice) before, in posts you have totally ignored, if your god really wants to save us, and have us repent, as you claim he does, why doesn't he help you with this? Surely he could just point you in the direction of some evidence of his existence, or just stop messing around and just give you some evidence? You are going to be damned for your failure to lead anyone into redemption. Why does your god want this to happen? What kind of sick game is he playing? I believe that Paul Bethke has me on ignore. Would someone kindly repost this, so I know he's seen it? Thanks in advance. |
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It proves to illustrate that when man sins by disobeying a command, he hides from God as is made clear in the following--Joh_3:19,20 This is the verdict: Light has come into the world, but men loved darkness instead of light because their deeds were evil.
Everyone who does evil hates the light, and will not come into the light for fear that his deeds will be exposed. It is also illustrated here---Rev_6:16 They called to the mountains and the rocks, "Fall on us and hide us from the face of him who sits on the throne and from the wrath of the Lamb! So Adam and Eve hid from God because they had sinned, and gained nothing from their sin. |
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You do not need signs to be made available in order to repent—you have already stated that you need to repent, so go ahead and repent. You cannot hold me responsible for your procrastination.
Heb_2:3 how shall we escape if we ignore such a great salvation? This salvation, which was first announced by the Lord, was confirmed to us by those who heard him. The signs that are coming are to announce judgement, so if you repent before the signs appear, you will escape the judgement!! |
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A historical fact found nowhere other then the Bible. A work easily demonstrated to be full of fiction. That a piece of fiction remains popular over time is not proof that it portrays real events, unless you also believe that The Illiad and the Odyssey are historical works, rather then fiction. |
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Wow! You keep on speaking against your own arguments.
Maybe you have not realized this basic fact, but the mixing of your religious mythology with an old fictional story does not somehow convert the religious mythology into non-fiction. Instead, the mixing of such genres actually serves to weaken the credibility of your religious mythology that you have been so keen on for these many years. |
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FWIW, Ives noticed that the daily the number of posts in this thread is shrinking. Looks like even Paul is running out of steam.
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You are wrong again as always.
Jesus said if your hand cause you to sin--it is better to cut it off THAN----Mat 5:30 And if your right hand causes you to sin, cut it off and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to go into hell. So you must do what is better THAN. This warning from Jesus is a serious statement, unbelief cannot nullify the truth. |
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How does one describe the horror of hell—it is so awful that it requires numerous ways to describe it, even to the extent of using Dante.
Blackest darkness is one way---eternal fire is another way, either way it is a horrible destination. Hell is the reason the Gospel is preached to deter people from the horror----you SEE Crossbow, God is powerless to save the sinner if they do not repent, so as the convert can enter the Presence of the Creator. Now be a good fellow and repent of all your unbelief. |
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