House Impeachment Inquiry - Page 83

WilliamSeger · 26th November 2019, 09:09 PM

Originally Posted by Childlike Empress

Nice update for the clowns who still think this latest circus will lead to anything but whooosh-goes-the-boomerang: Hunting for Hunter: Evidence Reveals Biden, Burisma Ukraine Bond Scandal, Tied to U.S. Firm

Includes this fun item about the prosecutor general who followed the one Biden got fired by pressuring Porky with withholding aid, Lutsenko: Drunk Ukrainian politician detained at Frankfurt airport

Isn't there a thread for that crap? This one's about Trump's imminent impeachment.

Norman Alexander · 26th November 2019, 09:12 PM

Originally Posted by Belz

Except that he could still just ignore the judgment. What is Congress going to do? Arrest the President?

I have read somewhere that the Sergeant at Arms of the United States Senate is responsible for enforcing the attendance of those summoned by the Senate.

Quote:

The Sergeant at Arms can, upon orders of the Senate, arrest and detain any person who violates Senate rules or is found in contempt of Congress.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sergea..._States_Senate

Quote:

How is a contempt finding enforced?

The Supreme Court said in 1821 that Congress has “inherent authority” to arrest and detain recalcitrant witnesses.

In 1927, the high court said the Senate acted lawfully in sending its deputy sergeant-at-arms to Ohio to arrest and detain the brother of the then-attorney general, who had refused to testify about a bribery scheme known as the Teapot Dome scandal.

It has been almost a century since Congress exercised this arrest-and-detain authority, and the practice is unlikely to make a comeback, legal experts said.

Alternatively, Congress can ask the U.S. attorney for the District of Columbia, a federal prosecutor, to bring criminal charges against a witness who refuses to appear. There is a criminal law that specifically prohibits flouting a congressional subpoena.

But this option is also unlikely to be pursued, at least when it comes to subpoenas against executive branch officials, given that federal prosecutors are part of the branch’s Justice Department.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-u...-idUSKCN1SC1YE

Childlike Empress · 26th November 2019, 09:23 PM

Originally Posted by WilliamSeger

Isn't there a thread for that crap? This one's about Trump's imminent impeachment.

aka "Ukrainegate" aka "we ****** it up again" aka "now they lock us up", Seger. Exactly the right place. Did you read 'till the end that now Ukrainian MPs are begging Trump to investigate? It will be a hilarious year, kids.

Steve · 26th November 2019, 09:31 PM

Originally Posted by Childlike Empress

Nice update for the clowns who still think this latest circus will lead to anything but whooosh-goes-the-boomerang: Hunting for Hunter: Evidence Reveals Biden, Burisma Ukraine Bond Scandal, Tied to U.S. Firm

Includes this fun item about the prosecutor general who followed the one Biden got fired by pressuring Porky with withholding aid, Lutsenko: Drunk Ukrainian politician detained at Frankfurt airport

First link is a spam site. Second link is to an article written over 10 years ago. I guess this is what Vladdy allows to be published as “news”.

Delvo · 26th November 2019, 09:32 PM

Originally Posted by Ambrosia

...they rationalise away the fact that Trump cheats and lies etc, because ALL politicians cheat and lie.

That part doesn't belong with the rest of what you wrote. They think he's different from other politicians, so those accusations against him are false because they're just coming from his lying political enemies.

Keep in mind, none of this is about Trump himself at all; he just bumbled into an environment where that much of the populace already grew up hating politicians in general (especially Democrats) and would have fallen for anybody who they thought of as not a politician (especially not a Democrat).

alfaniner · 26th November 2019, 10:03 PM

Originally Posted by Norman Alexander

I have read somewhere that the Sergeant at Arms of the United States Senate is responsible for enforcing the attendance of those summoned by the Senate.

I bet he's currently studying up on the requirements and limits of his duties, big-time.

mgidm86 · 26th November 2019, 11:04 PM

Originally Posted by Belz...

Same question, then: how is that even possible? It impacts their lives, in the end, if government is not held accountable.

Because most people don't read much news, and they sure as heck don't go to political forums.

My parents don't know about Trump's offensive tweets, they know nothing about the impeachment hearings largely because they watch little news.

The other part of it is that they don't hang out here. I don't think most people really get into political discussions that go beyond the headlines.

I hear people at work etc whipping out talking points that have been debunked or are just stupid, stale, generic. Most of the time they repeat what they've heard and can offer no insight of their own because they have no clue.

My parents don't know who Jussie Smollet is either, so they must not even watch FOX. I thought everyone knew who he was. A lot of people do not. We take for granted that what we discuss here is important when much of it isn't.

That is one of my constant comments here - that a lot of these issues are manufactured by a very few people (some gender issues for example). Most people outside of the ISF do not care. they are not in the headlines and they are not widely discussed. Hey, my opinion.

We are a small minority. Even the worst skeptic at ISF has a better grasp on politics and world events than 99% of Americans.

You should see my parents face when I tell them about some of Trump's tweets. It's like "oh my gawd"...then, the blank look, "hmmm I dunno". I can see it in their face. But they listen too.

Of course my parents are in their seventies, maybe they don't care as much, but so are a lot of Americans. A whole lot of 'em.

I also think that after 3 years of Trump being constantly attacked, plus some of the other noise, that they don't try and sort out the garbage from the good stuff. Everyone has a complaint, everyone is outraged, so who do you believe?

I think this is all true for a lot of Americans. Your average person is not very politically literate so they don't pay much attention. They may think they do though.

Crazy Chainsaw · 26th November 2019, 11:20 PM

Originally Posted by mgidm86

Because most people don't read much news, and they sure as heck don't go to political forums.

My parents don't know about Trump's offensive tweets, they know nothing about the impeachment hearings largely because they watch little news.

The other part of it is that they don't hang out here. I don't think most people really get into political discussions that go beyond the headlines.

I hear people at work etc whipping out talking points that have been debunked or are just stupid, stale, generic. Most of the time they repeat what they've heard and can offer no insight of their own because they have no clue.

My parents don't know who Jussie Smollet is either, so they must not even watch FOX. I thought everyone knew who he was. A lot of people do not.

We think what we discuss here is so important, yet most people don't know much about any of it. That is one of my constant comments here - that a lot of these issues are manufactured by a very few people (some gender issues for example). Most people outside of the ISF do not care. they are not in the headlines and they are not widely discussed. Hey, my opinion.

We are a small minority. Even the worst skeptic at ISF has a better grasp on politics and world events than 99% of Americans.

You should see my parents face when I tell them about some of Trump's tweets. It's like "oh my gawd...then, hmmm I dunno" I can see it in their face. But they listen too.

Of course my parents are in their seventies but so are a lot of Americans. A whole lot of 'em.

I also think that after 3 years of Trump being constantly attacked that they don't try and sort out the noise from the good stuff. Everyone has a complaint, everyone is outraged, so who do you believe?

I think this is all true for a lot of Americans. Your average person is not very politically literate so they don't pay much attention. They may think they do though.

It is basically a result of information burn out, with a lot of deep pesudo Religious devotion, mixed in.
Look at all the people who bought into Birtherism, even though for someone like myself who knows about early Computing Birtherism was nuts from the start.
Because they got everything Technologically wrong.
Magnetic tapes once encoded were not shipped much between Computers, the transcripted cards were. Such as the IBM cards used to encode Barrack Obama's Birth Certificate in 1961. But I have actually studied Anchent computer systems from Japanese purple machines, Univac, IBM and Rand punch card tabulars and others.
Not many people have that knowledge.

Crazy Chainsaw · 26th November 2019, 11:28 PM

Originally Posted by Delvo

That part doesn't belong with the rest of what you wrote. They think he's different from other politicians, so those accusations against him are false because they're just coming from his lying political enemies.

Keep in mind, none of this is about Trump himself at all; he just bumbled into an environment where that much of the populace already grew up hating politicians in general (especially Democrats) and would have fallen for anybody who they thought of as not a politician (especially not a Democrat).

Actually it's the result of Propoganda they have been feed for years simular to the war on Islam Propoganda of the early 9/11Truth movement.
What we are seeing is the Result of years of the war on Christianity Propoganda Evangelicals combined with the war on Catholics movement, and the war on the unborn movement.
All combining to install an idiot as a dictator.

Belz... · 27th November 2019, 03:21 AM

Originally Posted by Stacyhs

Really? You can't understand how Trump supporters don't care?

Right, I don't. It's outside of my understanding of the world.

Originally Posted by plague311

You know what they say, perception is key. If they don't perceive that the impact on their lives is negative, then what's the problem? As some have pointed out, a lot of these people are just happy with a "pwning of the libz". They view this more as Trump making people mad because he's so awesome, and now they're (teh libz) are trying to exact their revenge.

It's truths like this one that put cracks in my faith in democracy.

Thread closed for length, continues here.

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26th November 2019, 09:12 PM	#3282
Norman Alexander Philosopher Join Date: Nov 2014 Posts: 6,434	Originally Posted by Belz Except that he could still just ignore the judgment. What is Congress going to do? Arrest the President? I have read somewhere that the Sergeant at Arms of the United States Senate is responsible for enforcing the attendance of those summoned by the Senate. Quote: The Sergeant at Arms can, upon orders of the Senate, arrest and detain any person who violates Senate rules or is found in contempt of Congress. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sergea..._States_Senate Quote: How is a contempt finding enforced? The Supreme Court said in 1821 that Congress has “inherent authority” to arrest and detain recalcitrant witnesses. In 1927, the high court said the Senate acted lawfully in sending its deputy sergeant-at-arms to Ohio to arrest and detain the brother of the then-attorney general, who had refused to testify about a bribery scheme known as the Teapot Dome scandal. It has been almost a century since Congress exercised this arrest-and-detain authority, and the practice is unlikely to make a comeback, legal experts said. Alternatively, Congress can ask the U.S. attorney for the District of Columbia, a federal prosecutor, to bring criminal charges against a witness who refuses to appear. There is a criminal law that specifically prohibits flouting a congressional subpoena. But this option is also unlikely to be pursued, at least when it comes to subpoenas against executive branch officials, given that federal prosecutors are part of the branch’s Justice Department. https://www.reuters.com/article/us-u...-idUSKCN1SC1YE
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26th November 2019, 09:23 PM	#3283
Childlike Empress Ewige Blumenkraft Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Ivory Tower Posts: 17,691	Originally Posted by WilliamSeger Isn't there a thread for that crap? This one's about Trump's imminent impeachment. aka "Ukrainegate" aka "we ****** it up again" aka "now they lock us up", Seger. Exactly the right place. Did you read 'till the end that now Ukrainian MPs are begging Trump to investigate? It will be a hilarious year, kids.
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26th November 2019, 09:31 PM	#3284
Steve Philosopher Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 6,143	Originally Posted by Childlike Empress Nice update for the clowns who still think this latest circus will lead to anything but whooosh-goes-the-boomerang: Hunting for Hunter: Evidence Reveals Biden, Burisma Ukraine Bond Scandal, Tied to U.S. Firm Includes this fun item about the prosecutor general who followed the one Biden got fired by pressuring Porky with withholding aid, Lutsenko: Drunk Ukrainian politician detained at Frankfurt airport First link is a spam site. Second link is to an article written over 10 years ago. I guess this is what Vladdy allows to be published as “news”.
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26th November 2019, 10:03 PM	#3286
alfaniner Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 21,056	Originally Posted by Norman Alexander I have read somewhere that the Sergeant at Arms of the United States Senate is responsible for enforcing the attendance of those summoned by the Senate. I bet he's currently studying up on the requirements and limits of his duties, big-time.
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26th November 2019, 11:04 PM	#3287
mgidm86 Philosopher Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 5,939	Originally Posted by Belz... Same question, then: how is that even possible? It impacts their lives, in the end, if government is not held accountable. Because most people don't read much news, and they sure as heck don't go to political forums. My parents don't know about Trump's offensive tweets, they know nothing about the impeachment hearings largely because they watch little news. The other part of it is that they don't hang out here. I don't think most people really get into political discussions that go beyond the headlines. I hear people at work etc whipping out talking points that have been debunked or are just stupid, stale, generic. Most of the time they repeat what they've heard and can offer no insight of their own because they have no clue. My parents don't know who Jussie Smollet is either, so they must not even watch FOX. I thought everyone knew who he was. A lot of people do not. We take for granted that what we discuss here is important when much of it isn't. That is one of my constant comments here - that a lot of these issues are manufactured by a very few people (some gender issues for example). Most people outside of the ISF do not care. they are not in the headlines and they are not widely discussed. Hey, my opinion. We are a small minority. Even the worst skeptic at ISF has a better grasp on politics and world events than 99% of Americans. You should see my parents face when I tell them about some of Trump's tweets. It's like "oh my gawd"...then, the blank look, "hmmm I dunno". I can see it in their face. But they listen too. Of course my parents are in their seventies, maybe they don't care as much, but so are a lot of Americans. A whole lot of 'em. I also think that after 3 years of Trump being constantly attacked, plus some of the other noise, that they don't try and sort out the garbage from the good stuff. Everyone has a complaint, everyone is outraged, so who do you believe? I think this is all true for a lot of Americans. Your average person is not very politically literate so they don't pay much attention. They may think they do though.
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26th November 2019, 09:09 PM	#3281
WilliamSeger Philosopher Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 5,085	Originally Posted by Childlike Empress Nice update for the clowns who still think this latest circus will lead to anything but whooosh-goes-the-boomerang: Hunting for Hunter: Evidence Reveals Biden, Burisma Ukraine Bond Scandal, Tied to U.S. Firm Includes this fun item about the prosecutor general who followed the one Biden got fired by pressuring Porky with withholding aid, Lutsenko: Drunk Ukrainian politician detained at Frankfurt airport Isn't there a thread for that crap? This one's about Trump's imminent impeachment.

26th November 2019, 09:32 PM	#3285
Delvo الشيطان الأبيض Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Harrisburg, PA Posts: 8,157	Originally Posted by Ambrosia ...they rationalise away the fact that Trump cheats and lies etc, because ALL politicians cheat and lie. That part doesn't belong with the rest of what you wrote. They think he's different from other politicians, so those accusations against him are false because they're just coming from his lying political enemies. Keep in mind, none of this is about Trump himself at all; he just bumbled into an environment where that much of the populace already grew up hating politicians in general (especially Democrats) and would have fallen for anybody who they thought of as not a politician (especially not a Democrat).

26th November 2019, 11:20 PM	#3288
Crazy Chainsaw Philosopher Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 5,009	Originally Posted by mgidm86 Because most people don't read much news, and they sure as heck don't go to political forums. My parents don't know about Trump's offensive tweets, they know nothing about the impeachment hearings largely because they watch little news. The other part of it is that they don't hang out here. I don't think most people really get into political discussions that go beyond the headlines. I hear people at work etc whipping out talking points that have been debunked or are just stupid, stale, generic. Most of the time they repeat what they've heard and can offer no insight of their own because they have no clue. My parents don't know who Jussie Smollet is either, so they must not even watch FOX. I thought everyone knew who he was. A lot of people do not. We think what we discuss here is so important, yet most people don't know much about any of it. That is one of my constant comments here - that a lot of these issues are manufactured by a very few people (some gender issues for example). Most people outside of the ISF do not care. they are not in the headlines and they are not widely discussed. Hey, my opinion. We are a small minority. Even the worst skeptic at ISF has a better grasp on politics and world events than 99% of Americans. You should see my parents face when I tell them about some of Trump's tweets. It's like "oh my gawd...then, hmmm I dunno" I can see it in their face. But they listen too. Of course my parents are in their seventies but so are a lot of Americans. A whole lot of 'em. I also think that after 3 years of Trump being constantly attacked that they don't try and sort out the noise from the good stuff. Everyone has a complaint, everyone is outraged, so who do you believe? I think this is all true for a lot of Americans. Your average person is not very politically literate so they don't pay much attention. They may think they do though. It is basically a result of information burn out, with a lot of deep pesudo Religious devotion, mixed in. Look at all the people who bought into Birtherism, even though for someone like myself who knows about early Computing Birtherism was nuts from the start. Because they got everything Technologically wrong. Magnetic tapes once encoded were not shipped much between Computers, the transcripted cards were. Such as the IBM cards used to encode Barrack Obama's Birth Certificate in 1961. But I have actually studied Anchent computer systems from Japanese purple machines, Univac, IBM and Rand punch card tabulars and others. Not many people have that knowledge.
	Last edited by Crazy Chainsaw; 26th November 2019 at 11:21 PM.

26th November 2019, 11:28 PM	#3289
Crazy Chainsaw Philosopher Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 5,009	Originally Posted by Delvo That part doesn't belong with the rest of what you wrote. They think he's different from other politicians, so those accusations against him are false because they're just coming from his lying political enemies. Keep in mind, none of this is about Trump himself at all; he just bumbled into an environment where that much of the populace already grew up hating politicians in general (especially Democrats) and would have fallen for anybody who they thought of as not a politician (especially not a Democrat). Actually it's the result of Propoganda they have been feed for years simular to the war on Islam Propoganda of the early 9/11Truth movement. What we are seeing is the Result of years of the war on Christianity Propoganda Evangelicals combined with the war on Catholics movement, and the war on the unborn movement. All combining to install an idiot as a dictator.