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Old 9th August 2012, 02:22 PM   #561
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Originally Posted by Anders Lindman View Post
It is a link to a book by what looks like a yet another crank who has impressed you.
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Old 9th August 2012, 02:25 PM   #562
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Originally Posted by Anders Lindman View Post
I have already posted evidence (mainstream sources) about that in this thread.
Your claim is still wrong - Energy does not get generated out of a vacuum.
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Old 9th August 2012, 02:37 PM   #563
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Originally Posted by aggle-rithm View Post
Tiny little gremlins.

See? It's a simple explanation, so it must be correct!
I think you meant pixies -- gremlins break things, and thus are responsible for fission
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...black hole stuff snipped...
The chance of a star forming is much less than the black holes remaining in their original state.
Wrong: There are a lot more stars than there are stellar black holes.

There are thare are "a lot of black holes in for example our own galaxy the Milky Way", i.e. more than 1! We have detected ~20 black holes.
These black holes are "tiny" in size (a few kilomtrers in radius) and and difficult to detect from Earth with current instruments, except in a couple of important ways:
  • They have large masses so their gravitational effect can be detected through microlensing.
  • Most stellar systems are binary stellar systems and one star can become a black hole. The infalling matter from the other star then allows the black hole to be detected.
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...This is also known as dark matter.
This is also known as ignorance .
Astronomers have looked for dark matter as black holes (MACHOs) and established upper limits that are a small fraction of the mass needed for dark matter.

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Old 9th August 2012, 02:52 PM   #565
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Let's say that Einstein's equation E = mc2 is correct. Then fusion should reduce the mass significantly when fusion occurs between two atoms, if lots of energy is generated. Is that really the case? Or is the supposed huge amount of energy supposed to come from breaking strong force bonds or some ad hoc special force like that?
Since you are writing from a stance of ignorance you get lots of things wrong again!
We do not have to "say" that Einstein's equation E = mc2 is correct. It has been tested and shown to be correct.

You seem unaware that c is a big number and c2 is an even bigger number! A tiny amount of matter is converted to energy.
So it is not really the case.

The answer to your last question is sort of yes. A solid state physicist like myself will say no because we would look at it from the mass perspective. A particle physicist wouold say yes because they would look at it from the energy perspective (in which case it is the change in potential energy due to the different bonding that matters)
And the strong force is not some "ad hoc special force"/ Without it atoms do not exist .

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Old 9th August 2012, 02:59 PM   #566
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Well, whaddayaknow! Another special case:
Hey whaddayaknow! More inane statements!
You do know that there are 4 fundemental forces in physics?
One of these is the strong interaction between quarks which is partially shielded outside of nucleons and so has a different force law. Thus:
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In the context of binding protons and neutrons together to form atoms, the strong interaction is called the nuclear force (or residual strong force). In this case, it is the residuum of the strong interaction between the quarks that make up the protons and neutrons. As such, the residual strong interaction obeys a quite different distance-dependent behavior between nucleons, from when it is acting to bind quarks within nucleons. The binding energy related to the residual strong force is used in nuclear power and nuclear weapons.

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Old 9th August 2012, 03:13 PM   #567
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A bond is a potential energy, is it not?
No: Chemical bond. Potential energy.
There are no nuclear bonds because the nuclear forces are too short range for nuclei to interact. There is nuclear binding energy.
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Old 9th August 2012, 03:16 PM   #568
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Ok, but if we take fusion again, of say hydrogen, how large percentage of the energy generated comes from the strong bonds and how much comes from other loss in mass?
!00% from the change in nuclear binding energy.
100% from the loss in mass.
Because E = mc2! Duh !
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Old 9th August 2012, 03:22 PM   #569
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There is no need to be an expert in order to see how the standard model in physics has become really difficult for the scientists to hold together. All that is needed is to look into it a bit as a layperson.
Wrong again: All that is needed is to look into it a bit competently (e.g. not rely on cranks as your source) as a layperson and understand what you find.
The Standard Model has held together - the Higgs boson has just been found to complete it.
Anyone (even a layperson) who can read can understand this.
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Old 9th August 2012, 03:36 PM   #570
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Maybe, but a 300 pages book about just that?
You are unaware that cranks write 300 (pr more) page books all of the time. A big book does not mean that it contains valid science (look at the Bible ).
If you really want to be fooled by yet another crank (which seems to be your big weakness) then look for Terrence Witt's book (479 pages with index, glossary, 73 color plates, and 30 color graphs). The pretty pictures will probably impress you.

A 300 page book about just E=mc2 is a good signal that the author is a crank.
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Old 9th August 2012, 03:51 PM   #571
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I'm looking for a simpler model than the standard model in physics, that's for sure. I guess you are happy with the standard model?
Then you are out of luck because a "simpler mode"l than SM that works does not exist. You need the complexity of SM to match results from experiments.
If you want a simpler model then try Maxwell's equations. Pity that you then have to throw away all of the progress in science in the last 160 years!

Few people are happy with the SM. Everyone knows that it works and is relatively simple (its Lagrangian fits on a T-shirt!). But it has a number of challenges, e.g. the large number (19) pf parameters.
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Old 9th August 2012, 04:03 PM   #572
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Nassim Haramein said that even Earth has a black hole in the center.
... snipped your fantasies...
The question then becomes, who is more ignorant, Nassim Haramein or you for citing an obvious crank?
A micro black hole in the center of the Earth would eat the Earth!
A stellar black hole in the center of the Earth would make the Earth's mass more than the Sun!
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Old 10th August 2012, 01:26 AM   #573
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It was worth reading into this thread (this far anyway) after all. Thanks for the link, PixyMisa.
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With the risk of making a complete fool of myself...

Too late.

http://www.internationalskeptics.com...d.php?t=227158
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Old 10th August 2012, 03:52 AM   #575
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You can go back much further: http://www.internationalskeptics.com...d.php?t=188932
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Old 10th August 2012, 04:09 AM   #576
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The idea of the sun as a black hole is not my idea, I think Nassim Haramein has mentioned it, but then again he says that basically everything is a black hole, protons, and even humans and planet Earth!

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I don't think he has said everything is a black hole.

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Nope. Compare with the epicycle theories again. They became more and more messy and sure enough, they became more accurate, but alas, they were based on the false assumption that Earth was stationary and everything else orbiting around it in ever more complicated special cases of epicycles.

If the exceptions are so few, then why did the standard model start so simple and today is such a colossal monstrosity?
How do you know that's a false assumption? (Hint: If you can work that out you might be able to understand why your "ideas" are not finding a willing audience)
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This isn't the 19th century! Today we have the Internet. The most powerful tool humanity has ever created.
No, that just what they want you to think
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Old 10th August 2012, 09:13 AM   #579
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"The quasars' pedestrian surroundings came as a shock. "It's like finding a Formula One racing car in a suburban garage," said Dr Scott Croom of the Anglo-Australian Observatory in Australia who led the study. Put another way, "On our previous idea that brighter Quasars should inhabit brighter host galaxies, these observations were a bit of an insult to the superb Gemini North telescope!" -- http://www.spaceref.com/news/viewpr.html?pid=14288

Insult, the article said. Only to false theories. I predict that the massive energy quasars generate comes from extracting particles out of the vacuum.
And my prediction is that you'll shortly be start yet another science-baiting thread (evidence: http://www.internationalskeptics.com...archid=1006025)

I wonder what it is you get out it? Never mind. An honest answer might actually turn this thread into something useful, and I'm sure you wouldn't want that.
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Originally Posted by Anders Lindman
The idea of the sun as a black hole is not my idea, I think Nassim Haramein has mentioned it, but then again he says that basically everything is a black hole, protons, and even humans and planet Earth!
8 minutes later:
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I don't think he has said everything is a black hole.
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I claim prior art: "One of these contradicts the other. Are we surprised? No."

[He then went on to equivocate about 'basically' ]
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And my prediction is that you'll shortly be start yet another science-baiting thread
I first thought you wrote science-bashing. Stay tuned for a thread about the supped neutrons.
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It's so earth shattering it turns out that the planet Earth is a black hole.
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Fifteen pages of this? Could this thread itself turn out to be a black hole?
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Old 12th August 2012, 10:31 PM   #584
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Fifteen pages of this? Could this thread itself turn out to be a black hole?
The closest equivalent here is being moved to Abandon All Hope. I wouldn't be surprised.
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Even the most dogmatic scientist will admit that the standard model in physics is an incredible patchwork.
We call those "theories".

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There is no need to be an expert in order to see how the standard model in physics has become really difficult for the scientists to hold together. All that is needed is to look into it a bit as a layperson.
Actually, this is where you are ENTIRELY wrong. Yes, you need to be an expert, specifically because the subject is very complicated.

As for thinking that a layman can do it, please read up on the Dunning-Kruger effect.
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...gibberish snipped...
The problem is that this mathematical treatment would hold true even if the massive object were a hollow sphere!
That is not a problem with the mathematical treatment because the gravitational field outside a hollow sphere is the same as the gravitational field of the same mass at a point (or in a smaller solid sphere).

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The whole problem goes back to the fact that Gravity is conceived as an inward "pull" making it not a true force but a fictional force.
The whole problem seems to be you not knowing that an attractive force is as real as a repulsive force - look at the forces between charges.
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Anders just a quick question. Is there anything you think astronomer have gotten right in the last 400 years?
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Anders just a quick question. Is there anything you think astronomer have gotten right in the last 400 years?
"You will make an important decision today."

Oops, that's "astrologer".
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"You will make an important decision today."

Oops, that's "astrologer".
Yeah, sadly he has not been back for a few days. But browsing through this thread there does not seem to be one established fact/theory about bloody astronomy he thinks is right
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You could be on to something, but I think you are asking the wrong question. I would speculate that our Sun could be a white hole.

Also, if a black hole could somehow tear into space-time, creating a worm-hole, then the matter and energy pulled by it could radiate out from a white hole to some other part of the universe.

Our Sun could be a white hole, maybe.

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Almost exactly 7 years on....
Not the longest necro, but well up there...

ETA wow there's a name I haven't seen in a long time- Anders Lindman...
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Originally Posted by TheMoth495 View Post
You could be on to something, but I think you are asking the wrong question. I would speculate that our Sun could be a white hole.

Also, if a black hole could somehow tear into space-time, creating a worm-hole, then the matter and energy pulled by it could radiate out from a white hole to some other part of the universe.

Our Sun could be a white hole, maybe.
Leaving aside the fact that our sun does not have the charactistics of, look like or act like a white hole, and that there are no known physical processes through which a white hole could be formed, you might be right.
Could you tell us why you think our sun might be a "white hole"?
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