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Old 7th September 2019, 05:39 PM   #2361
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Originally Posted by xjx388 View Post
Yes, what you just said is deeply fallacious.

I donít think Trump is a white supremacist. My reasoning does not fall anywhere near along the lines youíve laughably outlined above. Trump is a 73 year old product of the culture and the time period he was raised in. You can say heís racist and I wonít argue with you. But to say heís a white supremacist is to say that heís espoused a certain world-view that thereís no evidence that he actually has.



Iím sure this is true but not universally. I see no need to tar all white people with the same brush.
Trump's "world-view" is me, me, me, me. That's as far as it goes, although it doesn't stop him from hating brown people.
Meanwhile, I'm a 71 year old product of the culture and don't agree with him on anything.
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Old 8th September 2019, 03:40 AM   #2362
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Originally Posted by Darat View Post
Could you provide evidence for your claim "Besides, I was always told by liberals here that patriotism is bad. "?
Originally Posted by mgidm86 View Post
I have time for two examples.

One...




Two...not so bad...




If you require more let me know, these are both from the same thread. I'm really not inclined to look any harder because this will fall on deaf ears anyways and it really isn't that important to me.

But there ya go - evidence..
As "evidence" goes, you'd be laughed out of court. Both quotes are describing a type, or brand if you will, of "patriotism". Neither is blatantly claiming that patriotism is bad. The latter "evidence" actually specifically mentions "excessive patriotism".

If you think a little social drinking is okay, it's not a contradiction to rail against excessive drinking which can be harmful and even destructive. Excessive patriotism and various forms of flag-waving, including the infamous "My Country, Right or Wrong" are what is being condemned or warned about.

Far better you'd have admitted that you were hyperbolizing or straw-manning, 'cuz this doesn't really stack up as evidence. It's what you wish that we were saying. It's the kind of straw man lie that Trump and his minions put out every day. "The Dems want open borders".. "They're coming for mah gunz"... I guess we can add "Liberals hate patriotism". Well done.
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Old 8th September 2019, 03:59 AM   #2363
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Originally Posted by mgidm86 View Post
I have time for two examples.



One...









Two...not so bad...









If you require more let me know, these are both from the same thread. I'm really not inclined to look any harder because this will fall on deaf ears anyways and it really isn't that important to me.



But there ya go - evidence..
But not evidence of what you claimed....
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Old 8th September 2019, 04:11 PM   #2364
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Originally Posted by Foolmewunz View Post
As "evidence" goes, you'd be laughed out of court. Both quotes are describing a type, or brand if you will, of "patriotism". Neither is blatantly claiming that patriotism is bad. The latter "evidence" actually specifically mentions "excessive patriotism".

If you think a little social drinking is okay, it's not a contradiction to rail against excessive drinking which can be harmful and even destructive. Excessive patriotism and various forms of flag-waving, including the infamous "My Country, Right or Wrong" are what is being condemned or warned about.

Far better you'd have admitted that you were hyperbolizing or straw-manning, 'cuz this doesn't really stack up as evidence. It's what you wish that we were saying. It's the kind of straw man lie that Trump and his minions put out every day. "The Dems want open borders".. "They're coming for mah gunz"... I guess we can add "Liberals hate patriotism". Well done.
For far too many, it's "My Country Is Always Right, Never Wrong". The other 'patriotism' that I abhor is the "Love It or Leave It" type. As if we have to love and support everything it does no matter what or get out.
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Old 9th September 2019, 11:47 AM   #2365
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Originally Posted by Stacyhs View Post
For far too many, it's "My Country Is Always Right, Never Wrong". The other 'patriotism' that I abhor is the "Love It or Leave It" type. As if we have to love and support everything it does no matter what or get out.
Especially considering the country was set up with specific and explicit methods to change it if you don't Love It, and can get enough people behind you.
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Old 9th September 2019, 01:31 PM   #2366
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Originally Posted by Trebuchet View Post
Trump's "world-view" is me, me, me, me. That's as far as it goes, although it doesn't stop him from hating brown people.
Meanwhile, I'm a 71 year old product of the culture and don't agree with him on anything.
All he needs is wings and he could play a seagull in "Finding Nemo"
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Old 9th September 2019, 01:59 PM   #2367
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Originally Posted by Darat View Post
But not evidence of what you claimed....

I did exactly as you asked...

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Could you provide evidence for your claim "Besides, I was always told by liberals here that patriotism is bad. "?

I answered your question. I didn't expect you and foolmewunz to suddenly agree with me and it really isn't that important to me that you do. If I dig up more will you suddenly agree? No, you won't.
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Old 9th September 2019, 03:55 PM   #2368
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Originally Posted by mgidm86 View Post
I did exactly as you asked...




I answered your question. I didn't expect you and foolmewunz to suddenly agree with me and it really isn't that important to me that you do. If I dig up more will you suddenly agree? No, you won't.
The quotes you supplied weren't actually evidence of the claim you made.
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