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Old 17th August 2019, 06:09 PM   #1
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How do people know how to hang themselves?

I feel like if I was super depressed trapped in a jail cell or even just my house I'd have no clue how to kill myself in this manner.

It doesn't appear to be the most intuitive thing yet people around the world regularly perform it alone and succeed. Do people just hear about other people doing it and try to replicate it?
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Old 17th August 2019, 06:14 PM   #2
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Well, some of them probably got some practice via autoerotic asphyxiation, and some others maybe get some help from the cops.

Sass aside, it’s really not very hard to do it effectively, and only a little harder to do it properly.

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Old 17th August 2019, 06:25 PM   #3
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You don't exactly need to know how to tie a hangmans noose you know...
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Old 17th August 2019, 06:40 PM   #4
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Originally Posted by Venom View Post
I feel like if I was super depressed trapped in a jail cell or even just my house I'd have no clue how to kill myself in this manner.

It doesn't appear to be the most intuitive thing yet people around the world regularly perform it alone and succeed. Do people just hear about other people doing it and try to replicate it?
To be clueless as to how to go about it, one must have lived in a very insular little bubble. Even so, I’m sure a little trial and error would produce the desired result...

Who’s to say that some precautionary research would not be done if suicide by hanging was on the list of things to consider?
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Old 17th August 2019, 07:02 PM   #5
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Short rope, tall tree. One knot on each end. A big load of depression and it's a go.
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Old 17th August 2019, 07:18 PM   #6
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If anyone was depressed for sometime, they will find out how to hang yourself.

IF you live in Australia and feel this way here is a website that might help you https://www.beyondblue.org.au/the-facts/depression
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Old 17th August 2019, 07:58 PM   #7
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Originally Posted by Venom View Post
I feel like if I was super depressed trapped in a jail cell or even just my house I'd have no clue how to kill myself in this manner.

It doesn't appear to be the most intuitive thing yet people around the world regularly perform it alone and succeed. Do people just hear about other people doing it and try to replicate it?
Venom, SEE YOUR DOCTOR. And I don't mean for a how-to.
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Old 17th August 2019, 08:29 PM   #8
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A lot of people who hang themselves don't know how to do it right. Most die of strangulation rather than getting their neck broken.
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Old 17th August 2019, 08:32 PM   #9
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Originally Posted by casebro View Post
Venom, SEE YOUR DOCTOR. And I don't mean for a how-to.
My self-preservation instinct is strong.
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Old 17th August 2019, 08:40 PM   #10
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I've seen the kneeling hanging technique on television programs. It doesn't appear particularly difficult technically, but would require some determination to carry through. Also, remember he failed on the first attempt.
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Old 17th August 2019, 08:44 PM   #11
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Would a person who never knew anything about nooses or knots think to hang himself?
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Old 17th August 2019, 08:54 PM   #12
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My self-preservation instinct is strong.
I think he may have been referring to Viagra.
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Old 17th August 2019, 09:03 PM   #13
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Culture of violence or some odd chance of any culture that had ropes but never tied knots or hurt one another, ever.

The most of us never consider hanging more than a coat. In a lifetime. I have several bundles of rope and use it to lift stuff to the 2nd floor patio. I can tie a proper noose too, but there will never be a need.

Around here if someone checks out by hanging it was usually an electric cord. No fancy knots and a note.
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My neighbour had no problem working it out. She had a job, married with 2 kids and no history of depression. One of her kids found her hanging in a tree in their back yard.
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Old 17th August 2019, 09:45 PM   #15
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A lot of people who hang themselves don't know how to do it right. Most die of strangulation rather than getting their neck broken.
If their intent is to kill themselves this seems rather like splitting hairs.
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I've seen the kneeling hanging technique on television programs.
I've heard about all kinds of suicide methods on television, both in shows and on the news. I've also had conversations with multiple people over the years who work as emergency responders and they have occasionally described suicide and attempted-suicide scenes they worked as well as fatal accidents wherein people, often children, managed to asphyxiate themselves unintentionally. My impression is that people can easily happen upon this information during daily life without necessarily looking for it; it's not arcane knowledge.
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Old 17th August 2019, 10:51 PM   #18
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A lot of people who hang themselves don't know how to do it right. Most die of strangulation rather than getting their neck broken.

Then he probably died of auto-erotic asphyxiation (Wikipedia).
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Old 17th August 2019, 10:53 PM   #19
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Would a person who never knew anything about nooses or knots think to hang himself?
They’d also have to be completely oblivious to a few other things as well, like current affairs, oral and written history, crime, tv, movies, novels and human physiology, so you might find it difficult to locate such a person.
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They’d also have to be completely oblivious to a few other things as well, like current affairs, oral and written history, crime, tv, movies, novels and human physiology, so you might find it difficult to locate such a person.
Many of the people who get hung in movies would not die in real life. I do not want to explain the details.
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Old 18th August 2019, 01:39 AM   #21
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A lot of people who hang themselves don't know how to do it right. Most die of strangulation rather than getting their neck broken.
Breaking the neck is the fastest way of ending it - used by professionals worldwide. The "strangling" method requires less force and if not done properly, it takes quite a bit time - not that pleasant for the victim if it involves restring airways. There is other way, where the airways remain perfectly clear and the restriction is applied to the jugulars stopping blood supply to the brain. Unconsciousness takes place within seconds without much of a warning. If held a bit longer, death follows soon.
Judo has a few of this methods that are being legally used in matches. Strangling opponent to unconsciousness is one of recognised ways how to win a fight instantly. Being a black belt I was many times on both giving and receiving ends of it and I am perfectly familiar with the way how the blackout hits. BTW, I am not aware of any instance of accidental death during a judo match.
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... and if not done properly, it takes quite a bit time ...

He wasn't in a hurry.
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He wasn't in a hurry.
It isn't so much about quantity as about quality :-). If you are about to lose consciousness because of blocked airways, you are definitively not going to find it enjoyable. The other way is - sounds crazy - but almost pleasant. Just a brief moment of dizziness and then all the lights go out... Assuming there is no any kind of consciousness from this moment and the point of death, I believe I know well how dying this way feels. I am sure there are much worse ways to go.

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I don't see how breaking a neck would cause death. Paralysis likely, for sure. There must be some other mechanism involved.

Or is that something that happens only in movies, too?
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Originally Posted by Venom View Post
I feel like if I was super depressed trapped in a jail cell or even just my house I'd have no clue how to kill myself in this manner.

It doesn't appear to be the most intuitive thing yet people around the world regularly perform it alone and succeed. Do people just hear about other people doing it and try to replicate it?
Do you think he never watched a movie?
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I don't see how breaking a neck would cause death. Paralysis likely, for sure. There must be some other mechanism involved.

Or is that something that happens only in movies, too?
It's a form of 'internal decapitation' that involves severing the spinal cord and, of course, death. That's the aim in 'long drop' hanging. Other methods can lead to death by asphyxiation.
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It's called 'internal decapitation' and involves severing the spinal cord and, of course, death. That's the aim in 'long drop' hanging. Other methods can lead to death by asphyxiation.

And long drop hanging, if miscalculated, can also cause just plain decapitation.
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I don't see how breaking a neck would cause death. Paralysis likely, for sure. There must be some other mechanism involved.

Or is that something that happens only in movies, too?
While heart is to some degree autonomous and can function for some time without any input from brain, lungs are controlled by brain entirely. If you sever spinal chord, breathing stops instantly. The death is not as instant as it seems. It results from failure of respiration and it takes a while. But as spinal chord is severed, the body become motionless instantly and the victim looks dead. How much pain he feels during that period is hard to tell... If the neck was broken by hanging, the blood supply to the brain is blocked as well so unconsciousness is almost instantaneous though.

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Breaking the neck is the fastest way of ending it - used by professionals worldwide. The "strangling" method requires less force and if not done properly, it takes quite a bit time - not that pleasant for the victim if it involves restring airways. There is other way, where the airways remain perfectly clear and the restriction is applied to the jugulars stopping blood supply to the brain. Unconsciousness takes place within seconds without much of a warning. If held a bit longer, death follows soon.
Judo has a few of this methods that are being legally used in matches. Strangling opponent to unconsciousness is one of recognised ways how to win a fight instantly.
Being a black belt I was many times on both giving and receiving ends of it and I am perfectly familiar with the way how the blackout hits. BTW, I am not aware of any instance of accidental death during a judo match.
Bjj and Mma have turned that into somewhat of an art form, no need to mess with airways, just stop the blood to the head.
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I don't see how breaking a neck would cause death. Paralysis likely, for sure. There must be some other mechanism involved.

Or is that something that happens only in movies, too?
A high neck fracture that severs the spinal cord will paralyze the breathing muscles, which will kill quite quickly, or lead to needing some sort of respirator for life, if the victim is rescued soon enough.
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A high neck fracture that severs the spinal cord will paralyze the breathing muscles, which will kill quite quickly, or lead to needing some sort of respirator for life, if the victim is rescued soon enough.
I never mentioned the spinal cord. Neither did several posts about a broken neck. That was why I was curious as to if a broken neck would cause death. One may or may not go along with the other.
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I never mentioned the spinal cord. Neither did several posts about a broken neck. That was why I was curious as to if a broken neck would cause death. One may or may not go along with the other.
About the only thing you can break in a neck is the spine with the nerves that travel inside the neck. Like if I say I have broken my arm then you know that the bone is broken, without me having to say so. Same with the neck. Or is it?

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A high neck fracture that severs the spinal cord will paralyze the breathing muscles, which will kill quite quickly, or lead to needing some sort of respirator for life, if the victim is rescued soon enough.
I would have thought that a broken neck from a hanging would always break the nerves that travel inside the spine. Yes, it would stop the breathing. But I do not think it would stop the heart. Quadratics generally do not need help in keeping their heart beating. In which case a good hanging would be no better than suffocation.

A quick death involves stopping oxygen getting to the brain without a buildup of CO2. So how does breaking the spine and nerves do this?
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I've seen the kneeling hanging technique on television programs. It doesn't appear particularly difficult technically, but would require some determination to carry through. Also, remember he failed on the first attempt.
CTs indicate he had help on the final attempt.
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