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Old 19th August 2019, 02:25 PM   #1
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The myth of frozen vegetable nutrition

Do a search on "frozen vegetable nutrition" or "fresh vs frozen" or similar and you'll find (or at least I found, going to numerous sites, including WebMD) that "frozen is about the same" in terms of nutrition, and they give sound reasoning as to why.

Then why is it that pretty much ALL the frozen vegetables any store around here sells have little to no nutrition whatsoever? And this includes so-called "organic" ones? Some weird regional thing? Anyone else see this?
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Old 19th August 2019, 02:47 PM   #2
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Then why is it that pretty much ALL the frozen vegetables any store around here sells have little to no nutrition whatsoever? And this includes so-called "organic" ones? Some weird regional thing? Anyone else see this?

How do you know there is "little to no nutrition"?
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Originally Posted by RecoveringYuppy View Post
How do you know there is "little to no nutrition"?
I'm wondering that, too.
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How do you know there is "little to no nutrition"?
Because they're frozen! duh.
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Is there a label that says 'nutrition - 0' or something?
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Is there a label that says 'nutrition - 0' or something?
Maybe freezing changes "soluble nutrition" into "Insoluble nutrition"?

You'll have to compare labels closely to spot the RDA of Woo.
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Or maybe the OP meant to say "the myth of nutrition LOST by freezing"?
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The only vegetables that I ate for a year were frozen. I died from malnutrition so I can tell you that it's true. Also there is no afterlife.
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Originally Posted by bigred View Post
Do a search on "frozen vegetable nutrition" or "fresh vs frozen" or similar and you'll find (or at least I found, going to numerous sites, including WebMD) that "frozen is about the same" in terms of nutrition, and they give sound reasoning as to why.

Then why is it that pretty much ALL the frozen vegetables any store around here sells have little to no nutrition whatsoever? And this includes so-called "organic" ones? Some weird regional thing? Anyone else see this?
Frozen vegetables are in a package with the nutritional facts printed on it.

Fresh vegetables are typically sold loose, for you to box or bag yourself. Where are you finding the nutrition information for the fresh stuff, so that you can compare to frozen?
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The only vegetables that I ate for a year were frozen. I died from malnutrition so I can tell you that it's true. Also there is no afterlife.
So, your personal version of hell is posting here all the time? Makes so much sense . . .
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I eat only frozen vegetables at home for a couple of reasons - ease of preparation and elimination of wastage. I have done so for over 25 years. I feel fine.


Vegetables are supposedly snap frozen as soon as possible after picking, so I can't see how they have time to lose anything. "Fresh" on the other hand could have been picked and packed a week ago, and sit in your crisper for another couple of days before using. And then possibly thrown away because they are no longer good enough to eat.



Unless you grow your own, and only pick and cook them as needed (which I used to do - this is especially true of sweet corn,which starts losing flavour within hours) then they lose nutrition, according to articles I have read, and even then you may get wastage as they could spoil on the vine.


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The USDA lists the nutritional profiles of fresh (raw) and frozen vegetables. You can search here...

https://ndb.nal.usda.gov/ndb/search/list
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Originally Posted by bigred View Post
Do a search on "frozen vegetable nutrition" or "fresh vs frozen" or similar and you'll find (or at least I found, going to numerous sites, including WebMD) that "frozen is about the same" in terms of nutrition, and they give sound reasoning as to why.

Then why is it that pretty much ALL the frozen vegetables any store around here sells have little to no nutrition whatsoever? And this includes so-called "organic" ones? Some weird regional thing? Anyone else see this?

Some serious food for thought here.

Could be a conspiracy where the fresh foods people are tampering with the labels on the frozen stuff. They either have infiltrators in the factories, medaling with the packaging, or an army of guys going to food stores and carrying out the work there.

On the other hand, although this is much less likely of course, it could be that you have limited skills in reading nutritional information.
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Not all vegetables have a lot of nutrition. A half-cup serving of green beans has a lot of vitamin C (about a quarter of a day's recommended intake) and about an eighth of a day's recommended amount of dietary fiber, but no more than 6% of the recommended daily amount of any other vitamin or mineral. If you're an active adult it would have about 1.5 to 2% of the calories you need per day. They're part of a balanced diet. If you had to live on them alone you'd be in trouble. You'd need at least fifty cups or about 12 liters of them per day, and you'd still be deficient in other necessary nutrients.
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Anyone else see this?
I've never seen this
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... ALL ... around here ... no nutrition .. Some weird regional thing?
where are you located?
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I've never seen this


where are you located?
France. We come from France.
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Originally Posted by bigred View Post
Do a search on "frozen vegetable nutrition" or "fresh vs frozen" or similar and you'll find (or at least I found, going to numerous sites, including WebMD) that "frozen is about the same" in terms of nutrition, and they give sound reasoning as to why.

Then why is it that pretty much ALL the frozen vegetables any store around here sells have little to no nutrition whatsoever? And this includes so-called "organic" ones? Some weird regional thing? Anyone else see this?
A lot of people guessed close, but the real reason is USDA labeling laws. Frozen is considered a (minimally) processed food but it needs only macro nutrients listed. All the vitamins and detailed information on its true nutritional content is not required on the label. Doesn't mean the frozen is less nutritious necessarily. Fresh doesn't need nutrients listed at all, so when you look them up, most places list a much more detailed analysis.

Could it be less nutritious? Yes. It could also be more nutritious too. Frozen veggies are often blanched before freezing so they last longer and higher quality frozen. But even this minimal cooking (dipping in boiling water for a couple seconds) will change the nutritional value a little, making some nutrients more available and others less.

The freezing process itself actually doesn't change the nutritional value much if any. All it does is slow decay. The food will still slowly deteriorate. Freezing at temps found in household freezers is not low enough to eliminate this decay. It would take a very long time to ruin it though, maybe years packaged correctly against freezer burn.
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Do a search on "frozen vegetable nutrition" or "fresh vs frozen" or similar and you'll find (or at least I found, going to numerous sites, including WebMD) that "frozen is about the same" in terms of nutrition, and they give sound reasoning as to why.

Then why is it that pretty much ALL the frozen vegetables any store around here sells have little to no nutrition whatsoever? And this includes so-called "organic" ones? Some weird regional thing? Anyone else see this?

I've been trying to think of a joke on deep state and deep freeze, but I couldn't come up with any. Anyone else?

Frozen food appears to be paleo, so it's gotta be healthy!
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Unexpected side effects of frozen food (StyleCraze, July 24, 2019)
Expected side effects of reading the article. If you don't know anything about frozen food before you read it, you'll be a lot dumber when you've finished reading it.
(Most of the alleged side effects mentioned in the article have nothing to do with the food being frozen. Trans fats, for instance.)
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A lot of people guessed close, but the real reason is USDA labeling laws. Frozen is considered a (minimally) processed food but it needs only macro nutrients listed. All the vitamins and detailed information on its true nutritional content is not required on the label. Doesn't mean the frozen is less nutritious necessarily. Fresh doesn't need nutrients listed at all, so when you look them up, most places list a much more detailed analysis.

Could it be less nutritious? Yes. It could also be more nutritious too. Frozen veggies are often blanched before freezing so they last longer and higher quality frozen. But even this minimal cooking (dipping in boiling water for a couple seconds) will change the nutritional value a little, making some nutrients more available and others less.

The freezing process itself actually doesn't change the nutritional value much if any. All it does is slow decay. The food will still slowly deteriorate. Freezing at temps found in household freezers is not low enough to eliminate this decay. It would take a very long time to ruin it though, maybe years packaged correctly against freezer burn.
Comparing this to your OP:

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Then why is it that pretty much ALL the frozen vegetables any store around here sells have little to no nutrition whatsoever? And this includes so-called "organic" ones? Some weird regional thing? Anyone else see this?
Makes me want to quote the wisdom of XKCD
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Comparing this to your OP:

Makes me want to quote the wisdom of XKCD
You might have had one of those "Oh bugger!" moments It isn't RBF's o/p.

Now I'm wondering if I'm having an "Oh bugger!" moment, a Muphry's law jobbie.
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A lot of people guessed close, but the real reason is USDA labeling laws. Frozen is considered a (minimally) processed food but it needs only macro nutrients listed. All the vitamins and detailed information on its true nutritional content is not required on the label. Doesn't mean the frozen is less nutritious necessarily. Fresh doesn't need nutrients listed at all, so when you look them up, most places list a much more detailed analysis.

Could it be less nutritious? Yes. It could also be more nutritious too. Frozen veggies are often blanched before freezing so they last longer and higher quality frozen. But even this minimal cooking (dipping in boiling water for a couple seconds) will change the nutritional value a little, making some nutrients more available and others less.

The freezing process itself actually doesn't change the nutritional value much if any. All it does is slow decay. The food will still slowly deteriorate. Freezing at temps found in household freezers is not low enough to eliminate this decay. It would take a very long time to ruin it though, maybe years packaged correctly against freezer burn.
^Exactly!

The middle paragraph can apply to taste too. For example if you are lucky enough to be in a location that has access to truly fresh corn (and a variety designed for human enjoyment, not silage) this fresh corn tastes amazing! Generally one finds it at farmers' markets or just a few excellent supermarkets and one needs to cook it within hours of it being picked. If you live further away, then frozen corn (usually blanched very soon after picking to inactivate the enzymes that convert sugars to starches) is the next best. "Fresh" corn in areas where it may be days old is the worse choice of all.

The same can apply to certain other vegetables and fruits. I think frozen cherries can taste better than some "fresh" cherries found in generic supermarkets.

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Comparing this to your OP:



Makes me want to quote the wisdom of XKCD

The OP was by "bigred" not "Red Baron Farms".
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The OP was by "bigred" not "Red Baron Farms".
What, aren't all the Red posters the same person? Like all the Don posters and the Jims and the Joes.

****, sorry RBF. That's what I get for fly-by posting. Mea culpa.

I see GlennB offered a gentle correction as well. Thanks to both of you.
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What, aren't all the Red posters the same person? Like all the Don posters and the Jims and the Joes.

****, sorry RBF. That's what I get for fly-by posting. Mea culpa.

I see GlennB offered a gentle correction as well. Thanks to both of you.

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Better your thigh than your frozen carrot stick..
Why? We already know there is no nutrition involved.... if he doesn't swallow.
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How do you know there is "little to no nutrition"?
Originally Posted by kellyb View Post
I'm wondering that, too.
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Because they're frozen! duh.
No, because they have these things called labels on the package that tell you this information. "duh" indeed.

Wow - how sad that I actually needed to explain that.


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Frozen vegetables are in a package with the nutritional facts printed on it.
Just when you gave me hope with that statement.....you added this:

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Fresh vegetables are typically sold loose, for you to box or bag yourself. Where are you finding the nutrition information for the fresh stuff, so that you can compare to frozen?
It's all over this thing called "the internet" FYI.

My bad for expecting a legit, adult answer. I forgot how much this place has morphied into KiddieLand. giggle.
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It's all over this thing called "the internet" FYI.

My bad for expecting a legit, adult answer. I forgot how much this place has morphied into KiddieLand. giggle.
Did you see this?

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A lot of people guessed close, but the real reason is USDA labeling laws. Frozen is considered a (minimally) processed food but it needs only macro nutrients listed. All the vitamins and detailed information on its true nutritional content is not required on the label. Doesn't mean the frozen is less nutritious necessarily. Fresh doesn't need nutrients listed at all, so when you look them up, most places list a much more detailed analysis.
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No, because they have these things called labels on the package that tell you this information. "duh" indeed.

Wow - how sad that I actually needed to explain that.


Just when you gave me hope with that statement.....you added this:


It's all over this thing called "the internet" FYI.

My bad for expecting a legit, adult answer. I forgot how much this place has morphied into KiddieLand. giggle.
What nutrients specifically differ and by how much? Can you show us some label comparisons to illustrate the point you're trying to make?
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Or show us which specific nutrient is destroyed by freezing?

I do know that some varnishes and adhesives are effected by freezing, they might never set-up. But I don't think I want my veggies to 'set-up' anyhow.
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Old 21st August 2019, 06:16 AM   #35
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Originally Posted by bigred View Post
No, because they have these things called labels on the package that tell you this information. "duh" indeed.



Wow - how sad that I actually needed to explain that.





Just when you gave me hope with that statement.....you added this:





It's all over this thing called "the internet" FYI.



My bad for expecting a legit, adult answer. I forgot how much this place has morphied into KiddieLand. giggle.
If you start a thread surely you should read read the responses before having a tantrum?
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Old 21st August 2019, 06:58 AM   #36
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Personally I always cook frozen vegetables but don't always cook raw. I wonder if that's a relevant issue.
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I actually looked at a label before writing my first reply and realized frozen vegetables don't have the same labeling as other foods. I'm starting to get depressed at the number of times I regret joining a thread intending to help someone.
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Old 21st August 2019, 10:46 AM   #38
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Originally Posted by bigred View Post
No, because they have these things called labels on the package that tell you this information. "duh" indeed.

Wow - how sad that I actually needed to explain that.


Just when you gave me hope with that statement.....you added this:


It's all over this thing called "the internet" FYI.

My bad for expecting a legit, adult answer. I forgot how much this place has morphied into KiddieLand. giggle.
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If you found the nutritional information for fresh veggies on the internet, then it stands to reason that you could find the nutritional information for frozen veggies on the internet as well. And perhaps you might have stumbled on this article, which is written by the staff at Tufts University Friedman School of Nutrition Science and Policy, where you would learn that frozen produce retains more of their nutrition than fresh produce that had been stored for a few days.

Sometimes I think people ask easily Googled questions on here solely to fight with other posters who try to answer.
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Old 21st August 2019, 11:27 AM   #39
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Originally Posted by xjx388 View Post
And perhaps you might have stumbled on this article, which is written by the staff at Tufts University Friedman School of Nutrition Science and Policy, where you would learn that frozen produce retains more of their nutrition than fresh produce that had been stored for a few days.
Looking at other articles on the 'net, it seems like the consensus is that it is pretty much a wash... sometimes fresh vegetables are more nutritious and sometimes frozen ones are.

But, as someone pointed out, frozen vegetables are more likely to be cooked before eating. Surprisingly, to me at least, that's pretty much a wash, too, with some vegetables being more nutritious after being cooked.
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Old 21st August 2019, 12:00 PM   #40
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Originally Posted by bigred View Post
Do a search on "frozen vegetable nutrition" or "fresh vs frozen" or similar and you'll find (or at least I found, going to numerous sites, including WebMD) that "frozen is about the same" in terms of nutrition, and they give sound reasoning as to why.

Then why is it that pretty much ALL the frozen vegetables any store around here sells have little to no nutrition whatsoever? And this includes so-called "organic" ones? Some weird regional thing? Anyone else see this?
When you don't identify the vegetable(s), and you don't specify what the label says, and you don't link to WebMD or wherever else you're gleaning facts from, this amounts to Beavis commentary. It's not really possible to agree, rebut, or learn much of anything.
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