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Old 24th August 2019, 12:16 AM   #1
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(Alleged) First crime committed in space

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/23/u...e-mcclain.html

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Summer Worden, a former Air Force intelligence officer living in Kansas, has been in the midst of a bitter separation and parenting dispute for much of the past year. So she was surprised when she noticed that her estranged spouse still seemed to know things about her spending. Had she bought a car? How could she afford that?

Ms. Worden put her intelligence background to work, asking her bank about the locations of computers that had recently accessed her bank account using her login credentials. The bank got back to her with an answer: One was a computer network registered to the National Aeronautics and Space Administration.

Ms. Worden’s spouse, Anne McClain, was a decorated NASA astronaut on a six-month mission aboard the International Space Station. She was about to be part of NASA’s first all-female spacewalk. But the couple’s domestic troubles on Earth, it seemed, had extended into outer space.

Ms. McClain acknowledged that she had accessed the bank account from space, insisting through a lawyer that she was merely shepherding the couple’s still-intertwined finances. Ms. Worden felt differently. She filed a complaint with the Federal Trade Commission and her family lodged one with NASA’s Office of Inspector General, accusing Ms. McClain of identity theft and improper access to Ms. Worden’s private financial records.
Star Cops here we come!
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Old 24th August 2019, 12:29 AM   #2
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If the ISS were over Algeria when the crime was committed would the case have to be tried there?
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Old 24th August 2019, 12:49 AM   #3
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We are now officially in the 21st century. Not only a crime in space, but involving same sex partners. What a great story.
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Old 24th August 2019, 01:48 AM   #4
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Originally Posted by GlennB View Post
If the ISS were over Algeria when the crime was committed would the case have to be tried there?
I imagine that crimes committed in space would be similar to crimes committed on the high seas. For example The Offences at Sea Act 1799 extends the jurisdiction of British courts to crimes committed by British subjects on the high seas. Crimes committed (by anybody) aboard British owned ships on the high seas can also be prosecuted in British courts.

Of course, this theory hasn't been tested in the courts yet.
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Old 24th August 2019, 07:55 AM   #5
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Originally Posted by psionl0 View Post
I imagine that crimes committed in space would be similar to crimes committed on the high seas. For example The Offences at Sea Act 1799 extends the jurisdiction of British courts to crimes committed by British subjects on the high seas. Crimes committed (by anybody) aboard British owned ships on the high seas can also be prosecuted in British courts.

Of course, this theory hasn't been tested in the courts yet.
US courts don't follow redflag laws. Although the US does have similar due to various treaties, their high seas "international" laws are different than British.
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Old 24th August 2019, 08:29 AM   #6
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Originally Posted by psionl0 View Post
I imagine that crimes committed in space would be similar to crimes committed on the high seas. For example The Offences at Sea Act 1799 extends the jurisdiction of British courts to crimes committed by British subjects on the high seas. Crimes committed (by anybody) aboard British owned ships on the high seas can also be prosecuted in British courts.

Of course, this theory hasn't been tested in the courts yet.
This may not turn out to be the test case for space law, since part of the crime occurred in the United States, where the bank was, and the accused is a US Government employee on assignment outside the country. She could be prosecuted by the USG on either or both of those factors.
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Old 24th August 2019, 11:14 AM   #7
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Perhaps the U.S. could shoot the ISS out of the sky with a giant laser?
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Old 24th August 2019, 04:26 PM   #8
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Originally Posted by Elagabalus View Post
Perhaps the U.S. could shoot the ISS out of the sky with a giant laser?
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Old 24th August 2019, 04:38 PM   #9
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She accessed a US bank in the US. It doesn't matter who or where you are when you did that. Extradition might be another matter, but wouldn't apply here.
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Old 24th August 2019, 04:43 PM   #10
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Originally Posted by Beerina View Post
She accessed a US bank in the US. It doesn't matter who or where you are when you did that.
This is what the BBC said about it.
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How does the law work in space?
There are five national or international space agencies involved in the ISS - from the US, Canada, Japan, Russia and several European countries - and a legal framework sets out that national law applies to any people and possessions in space.

So if a Canadian national were to commit a crime in space, they would be subject to Canadian law, and a Russian citizen to Russian law.

Space law also sets out provisions for extradition back on Earth, should a nation decide it wishes to prosecute a citizen of another nation for misconduct in space.
from here
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-49457912

Don't know how accurate it is.
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Old 24th August 2019, 04:54 PM   #11
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Amazing one can do their banking from space.
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Old 24th August 2019, 05:04 PM   #12
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Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger View Post
Amazing one can do their banking from space.
It's called the Internet, love!
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Originally Posted by welshdean View Post
It's called the Internet, love!
And you’re nice and close to satellite communications.
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Originally Posted by Red Baron Farms View Post
US courts don't follow redflag laws. Although the US does have similar due to various treaties, their high seas "international" laws are different than British.

That was just the first reference that I found in 5 seconds. Other references suggest that the US exercises similar "rights". For example:
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Under UNCLOS (United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea), “every State shall effectively exercise its jurisdiction and control in administrative, technical and social matters over ships flying its flag.” So a fugitive in a ship is still subject to the laws and regulations of whatever country the vessel is registered to.

The United States can also assert jurisdiction in international waters in certain situations by other means. The U.S. Code allows the federal government to exercise “Special Maritime and Territorial Jurisdiction” over…
. . . . .

…any place outside the jurisdiction of any nation with respect to an offense by or against a national of the United States.
. . . . .
https://mentalfloss.com/article/5170...minal-paradise

As a NASA astronaut I presume that Ms McClain is still subject to US laws even if she is aboard an international space station.
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Old 24th August 2019, 09:58 PM   #15
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Star Cops here we come!







https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCQV...DakdJv7JH-DYlg


Couldn't resist.
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Old 25th August 2019, 12:47 AM   #16
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In the Apollo days, astronauts could be grounded if their married life was in trouble. Apparently, this was to ensure that the astronaut could concentrate on the job at hand, but there was also a touch bigotry, because astronauts were postulated to be superhuman ideal Americans.

The bit about being able to concentrate on the job does seem to have some relevance here, no matter if a crime was committed, or not.
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