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Old 30th September 2021, 03:36 PM   #961
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Originally Posted by Lennart Hyland View Post
I cant stand these "hearings". From this one and the one with Blinken all I've seen is members of GOP smearing the witnesses with their opinions only asking one or two complex questions demanding an yes or no answer. Is that normal proceedings? Then whats the purpose of that?

I'm amazed how they can just sit there with a straight face and take it.
They're supposed to be for getting questions answered on an honest basis but they're really just opportunities for politicians to grandstand and get some attention.
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Old 30th September 2021, 09:26 PM   #962
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Yes, it's normal. The purpose is for Senators to grandstand on TV and get videoclips for their next election ad. "The World's Greatest Deliberative Body"
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Old 1st October 2021, 03:14 AM   #963
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Complaints that Congressional hearings are just opportunities for members of Congress or Senators to grandstand or create sound bites for themselves seems unfair to me and also inaccurate. These hearings usually last hours, they're often available on C-span or there are transcripts available online. If you only see what the 6 o'clock news presents you're going to get a very misleading impression. Serious members of Congress or the Senate ask detailed and informed questions about policy and actions.

From the Washington Post coverage of the recent Senate hearing with General Milley and other top military officials:
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Speaking at a high-profile Senate hearing, Milley and Gen. Kenneth F. McKenzie, commander of the U.S. Central Command, acknowledged that they had previously advised Biden not to withdraw all American troops ahead of the late-August evacuation. Also facing pointed questions from members of the Senate Armed Services Committee was Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin. The three testified in public for five and half hours before going into a closed-door session with members of the committee.
  • Milley testified that key Trump officials knew of his two calls to reassure his Chinese counterpart that President Donald Trump had no plans to attack China late in his administration, and that Defense Secretary Mark T. Esper directed the first one.
  • Milley says the Taliban had 6,000 troops in Kabul and that the United States would have incurred “significant” casualties if it had extended its withdrawal deadline past Aug. 31.
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Democratic Senators like Elizabeth Warren asked General Milley about the timetable on withdrawal of US forces from Afghanistan. Senator Kristen Gillibrand asked General Kenneth McKenzie about the actions of the Afghan government and military in the leadup to the fall of Kabul. Senator Jeanne Shaheen asked General Milley as to why he thought Defense Dept. analysts had concluded, erroneously, that the Afghan government and military was unlikely to collapse as quickly as they did in the face of the Taliban advance.

Republican Senator Josh Hawley asked Milley if he hadn't spent too much time with journalists writing 'tell-all' books, thereby neglecting his military responsibilities.

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Old 1st October 2021, 12:40 PM   #964
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Originally Posted by newyorkguy View Post
Complaints that Congressional hearings are just opportunities for members of Congress or Senators to grandstand or create sound bites for themselves seems unfair to me and also inaccurate. These hearings usually last hours, they're often available on C-span or there are transcripts available online. If you only see what the 6 o'clock news presents you're going to get a very misleading impression. Serious members of Congress or the Senate ask detailed and informed questions about policy and actions.

From the Washington Post coverage of the recent Senate hearing with General Milley and other top military officials:


Democratic Senators like Elizabeth Warren asked General Milley about the timetable on withdrawal of US forces from Afghanistan. Senator Kristen Gillibrand asked General Kenneth McKenzie about the actions of the Afghan government and military in the leadup to the fall of Kabul. Senator Jeanne Shaheen asked General Milley as to why he thought Defense Dept. analysts had concluded, erroneously, that the Afghan government and military was unlikely to collapse as quickly as they did in the face of the Taliban advance.

Republican Senator Josh Hawley asked Milley if he hadn't spent too much time with journalists writing 'tell-all' books, thereby neglecting his military responsibilities.
Let me amend my previous post to "They're supposed to be for getting questions answered on an honest basis and some do so, but they're really often just opportunities for politicians from the opposite party to grandstand and get some attention.
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Old 6th October 2021, 08:12 AM   #965
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Bad news for Gaetz?

https://news.yahoo.com/trial-set-man...161104108.html:
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Joel Greenberg, the friend of U.S. Rep. Matt Gaetz who pleaded guilty earlier this year to sex trafficking, asked a judge on Tuesday to postpone his sentencing until next year so he can continue cooperating with federal authorities.
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The extra time will give the former local tax collector from an Orlando suburb more time to sit for interviews with federal investigators, the filing said.
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Gaetz, a Republican who represents much of the Florida Panhandle, was not mentioned in Greenberg’s plea agreement. But Greenberg’s cooperation could play a role in an ongoing investigation into whether Gaetz paid a 17-year-old girl for sex.

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Old 6th October 2021, 10:34 AM   #966
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Bad news for Gaetz?
Like everything else that was supposed to be "bad news for Gaetz", I'm going with "no".
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Old 6th October 2021, 12:59 PM   #967
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Originally Posted by Galaxie View Post
Bad news for Gaetz?

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The extra time will give the former local tax collector from an Orlando suburb more time to sit for interviews with federal investigators, the filing said.
https://news.yahoo.com/trial-set-man...161104108.html:
Federal investigators can't interview people in prison? Who knew?
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Old 6th October 2021, 05:00 PM   #968
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Originally Posted by Stacyhs View Post
Federal investigators can't interview people in prison? Who knew?
They can't support you at sentencing if they interview you after you've been sentenced.
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Old 6th October 2021, 05:13 PM   #969
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Originally Posted by Craig4 View Post
They can't support you at sentencing if they interview you after you've been sentenced.
Since he's cooperating with the fed investigators, he's likely made some sort of deal. These deals usually include not being charged with some crime(s) they could also be charged with. These can be used to hold over their heads if they don't cooperate in future.
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Old 7th October 2021, 05:37 AM   #970
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Originally Posted by jnelso99 View Post
Like everything else that was supposed to be "bad news for Gaetz", I'm going with "no".
^ This.
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Old 7th October 2021, 05:39 AM   #971
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"Bad news" for Gaetz will be some girl's father beating him to within an inch of his life, and then threatening him with more where that came from if he doesn't resign immediately and go live in Montana under an assumed name.
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Because, funny...
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Old 9th October 2021, 08:06 AM   #974
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Matt Gaetz hosts fundraiser at Trump golf course. Fewer than 10 people show up:

https://twitter.com/ReportsDaNews/st...30083679850496
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Old 9th October 2021, 11:37 AM   #975
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"Bad news" for Gaetz will be some girl's father beating him to within an inch of his life, and then threatening him with more where that came from if he doesn't resign immediately and go live in Montana under an assumed name.
Right that's our last hope, random street justice. Same thing that didn't happen to Roy Moore or any other member of the Right caught kiddy diddling or having a wide stance or whatever.
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Old 9th October 2021, 02:03 PM   #976
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Right that's our last hope, random street justice. Same thing that didn't happen to Roy Moore or any other member of the Right caught kiddy diddling or having a wide stance or whatever.
I was having a larf. But that is also the traditional method of certain fascists dealing with things and people that offend them. So turn about seems fair, no?
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Because, funny...
We discussed that a while back in this thread. Apparently, Twitter lets you change your handle after tweeting and updates existing tweets to show the new name.
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They can't support you at sentencing if they interview you after you've been sentenced.
Since he's cooperating with the fed investigators, he's likely made some sort of deal. These deals usually include not being charged with some crime(s) they could also be charged with. These can be used to hold over their heads if they don't cooperate in future.
In theory they COULD sentence them according to the plea deal, but hold back some charges in case their cooperation is faulty. But, I suspect prosecutors want to maintain as much flexibility as possible.

In other words, keep as many potential charges open in case he is lying to the investigators. (Especially if the charge under the plea deal is one of the easier to prove in court.)
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As expected, more delays in the sentencing of Greenberg.

From: Politico
Joel Greenberg was set to be sentenced on Nov. 18 for six crimes he pleaded guilty to ...but prosecutors successfully implored U.S. District Judge Gregory Presnell to wait until March so they can track down all of the leads Greenberg has given to investigators.
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Prosecutors on Monday hinted that Greenberg’s case has ensnared multiple people and led to several lines of investigation....One of the co-conspirators in that Covid-relief scheme, a one-time mortgage broker named Nabil Dajani, is expected to be charged as a result of the crime...A longtime friend of Greenberg’s named Joe Ellicott is under investigation on suspicion of sex-trafficking...former friend of Greenberg’s, Chris Dorworth, was interviewed by federal prosecutors about whether he was involved in a scheme to recruit a so-called “ghost candidate” in a state senate race...Two other men tied to Gaetz, former Florida Department of Business and Professional Regulation Secretary Halsey Beshears and former Orlando Aviation Authority member Jason Pirozzolo, are facing investigations connected to their travel to the Bahamas with Gaetz


One of the problems though is that the closer they get to the mid-term elections, the less likely they will be to press charges against Gaetz, because they don't want to be seen as interfering in an election. (Not sure if it would be better or worse to see him arrested before the election, or immediately after.)
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As expected, more delays in the sentencing of Greenberg.

From: Politico
Joel Greenberg was set to be sentenced on Nov. 18 for six crimes he pleaded guilty to ...but prosecutors successfully implored U.S. District Judge Gregory Presnell to wait until March so they can track down all of the leads Greenberg has given to investigators.
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Prosecutors on Monday hinted that Greenberg’s case has ensnared multiple people and led to several lines of investigation....One of the co-conspirators in that Covid-relief scheme, a one-time mortgage broker named Nabil Dajani, is expected to be charged as a result of the crime...A longtime friend of Greenberg’s named Joe Ellicott is under investigation on suspicion of sex-trafficking...former friend of Greenberg’s, Chris Dorworth, was interviewed by federal prosecutors about whether he was involved in a scheme to recruit a so-called “ghost candidate” in a state senate race...Two other men tied to Gaetz, former Florida Department of Business and Professional Regulation Secretary Halsey Beshears and former Orlando Aviation Authority member Jason Pirozzolo, are facing investigations connected to their travel to the Bahamas with Gaetz


One of the problems though is that the closer they get to the mid-term elections, the less likely they will be to press charges against Gaetz, because they don't want to be seen as interfering in an election. (Not sure if it would be better or worse to see him arrested before the election, or immediately after.)
The elections are over a year away. They have time to charge Gaetz well before.
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Joel Greenberg was set to be sentenced on Nov. 18 for six crimes he pleaded guilty to ...but prosecutors successfully implored U.S. District Judge Gregory Presnell to wait until March so they can track down all of the leads Greenberg has given to investigators.

One of the problems though is that the closer they get to the mid-term elections, the less likely they will be to press charges against Gaetz, because they don't want to be seen as interfering in an election. (Not sure if it would be better or worse to see him arrested before the election, or immediately after.)
The elections are over a year away. They have time to charge Gaetz well before.
The elections may be in the fall, but the primaries are in the late summer. And the filing deadline is in the early summer.

Right now, that's over half a year away. But cases like this often drag on and on.
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Old 20th October 2021, 01:37 AM   #982
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The elections may be in the fall, but the primaries are in the late summer. And the filing deadline is in the early summer.

Right now, that's over half a year away. But cases like this often drag on and on.
There isn't any law that a politician running for office, even near an election, cannot be charged with a crime. It's certainly been done before.
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There isn't any law that a politician running for office, even near an election, cannot be charged with a crime. It's certainly been done before.
I can envisage a double standard emerging here. Officials wouldn't be allowed to charge a Republican with a crime within, say, 18 months of the primary for fear of political influence in the election - effectively making them above the law.

OTOH a Democrat could be charged at any point in time because the integrity of the election process is paramount and the public deserve to know that a candidate may be facing charges.

It's the same kind of move they pulled with SCOTUS appointments
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I can envisage a double standard emerging here. Officials wouldn't be allowed to charge a Republican with a crime within, say, 18 months of the primary for fear of political influence in the election - effectively making them above the law.

OTOH a Democrat could be charged at any point in time because the integrity of the election process is paramount and the public deserve to know that a candidate may be facing charges.

It's the same kind of move they pulled with SCOTUS appointments
It isn't like a mere indictment has hurt the political career of a republican politician. See the AG of Texas for one. He was indicted on securities fraud 6 years ago I think, but for some reason the AG of Texas seems to be holding the case back.
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The elections may be in the fall, but the primaries are in the late summer. And the filing deadline is in the early summer.

Right now, that's over half a year away. But cases like this often drag on and on.
There isn't any law that a politician running for office, even near an election, cannot be charged with a crime. It's certainly been done before.
I know there's no law about charging a politician running for office. It is more of a policy.

I can certainly understand the reasoning... an indictment is not a guarantee of guilt, and an over-zealous prosecutor could (in theory) "flip" a seat by a last-minute indictment days before an election that gets dropped after the vote.

(I do suspect it would depend on the crime too... a charge like murder might be treated differently than fraud, due to the nature of the crime and the investigation.)
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I know there's no law about charging a politician running for office. It is more of a policy.

I can certainly understand the reasoning... an indictment is not a guarantee of guilt, and an over-zealous prosecutor could (in theory) "flip" a seat by a last-minute indictment days before an election that gets dropped after the vote.

(I do suspect it would depend on the crime too... a charge like murder might be treated differently than fraud, due to the nature of the crime and the investigation.)
I think it depends on the timeline. If an investigation has come to its natural conclusion and a charges can and are going to be levied, then so be it. Tough for the alleged culprit. It's when it's used as a political weapon that the ethics come into question. For example, Comey opening his mouth about Clinton when the investigation was not complete, much less charges even being considered, is when it's wrong.
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Gaetz is still under the microscope:

https://news.yahoo.com/justice-depar...130046467.html:
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The Justice Department (DOJ) has hired two new prosecutors to work on the team investigating Rep. Matt Gaetz, a prominent congressional ally of former president Donald Trump.
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Two sources familiar with the matter told the New York Times that one of prosecutors hired by the DOJ to work on the Gaetz case specialises in child exploitation matters, while the other specializes in public corruption.
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I think it depends on the timeline. If an investigation has come to its natural conclusion and a charges can and are going to be levied, then so be it. Tough for the alleged culprit. It's when it's used as a political weapon that the ethics come into question. For example, Comey opening his mouth about Clinton when the investigation was not complete, much less charges even being considered, is when it's wrong.
I agree wholeheartedly. Not only were no charges looking at being pressed\considered, they just found a laptop with some emails on it. He didn't have to say anything at all until that laptop was thoroughly examined. I thought Comey should have faced a punishment for that, myself.

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Gaetz is still under the microscope:

https://news.yahoo.com/justice-depar...130046467.html:
I would be concerned if I were Gaetz. Odd timing as well since the FBI announced that whatshisname that's cooperating moved back his sentencing until next year. I wonder what he's pointing them towards.
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I think it depends on the timeline. If an investigation has come to its natural conclusion and a charges can and are going to be levied, then so be it. Tough for the alleged culprit. It's when it's used as a political weapon that the ethics come into question. For example, Comey opening his mouth about Clinton when the investigation was not complete, much less charges even being considered, is when it's wrong.
I agree wholeheartedly. Not only were no charges looking at being pressed\considered, they just found a laptop with some emails on it. He didn't have to say anything at all until that laptop was thoroughly examined. I thought Comey should have faced a punishment for that, myself.
I seem to remember hearing that had Comey not said anything, there were republicans familiar with the laptop that would have leaked the information anyways.

Of course, even if that was true, it doesn't absolve Comey, who handled the situation poorly. Even if he thought he was being forced to talk about the laptop before information was leaked about it anyways, what he COULD have done was ran an 5 minute search for the most basic/obvious of information, say "we have the laptop but our initial search found nothing". (Then they could have done a more comprehensive search later, but it wouldn't have had the impact it did.)
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Comey made the same mistake Garland is currently doing: assuming that the right side will win anyway, so they don't have to make an effort to protect it from abuse and lies.
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Old 22nd October 2021, 11:24 AM   #991
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Oh no! We almost lost one of the final legal minds of our generation!

From: The Independent
Florida congressman and Trump ally Matt Gaetz was briefly labelled a “delinquent” by the Florida Bar Association for failing to pay the $265 fees that allow him to practise law in the state.

Oh no! What would we do without Gaetz in the legal profession?

Also from the Independent...
Mr Gaetz has since paid the fees and been returned to the status of a “member in good standing,”

Whew... crisis averted.
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Old 22nd October 2021, 11:31 AM   #992
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Originally Posted by Segnosaur View Post
Oh no! We almost lost one of the final legal minds of our generation!

From: The Independent
Florida congressman and Trump ally Matt Gaetz was briefly labelled a “delinquent” by the Florida Bar Association for failing to pay the $265 fees that allow him to practise law in the state.

Oh no! What would we do without Gaetz in the legal profession?

Also from the Independent...
Mr Gaetz has since paid the fees and been returned to the status of a “member in good standing,”

Whew... crisis averted.
Without Lin and Giulani able to practice, and possibly Powell, we'd have been in dire straits indeed!
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Old 22nd October 2021, 11:34 AM   #993
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Originally Posted by Segnosaur View Post
Oh no! We almost lost one of the final legal minds of our generation!

From: The Independent
Florida congressman and Trump ally Matt Gaetz was briefly labelled a “delinquent” by the Florida Bar Association for failing to pay the $265 fees that allow him to practise law in the state.

Oh no! What would we do without Gaetz in the legal profession?

Also from the Independent...
Mr Gaetz has since paid the fees and been returned to the status of a “member in good standing,”

Whew... crisis averted.
I knew his fundraising had fallen on hard times, but $265....
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Old 22nd October 2021, 11:39 AM   #994
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Florida congressman and Trump ally Matt Gaetz was briefly labelled a “delinquent” by the Florida Bar Association for failing to pay the $265 fees that allow him to practise law in the state.
I knew his fundraising had fallen on hard times, but $265....
Hey, those teenage escorts don't come cheep.
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Originally Posted by Segnosaur View Post
Hey, those teenage escorts don't come cheep.
Every fiber of my being was used to fight back the completely inappropriate comment I have lined up for this...
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Old 22nd October 2021, 12:38 PM   #996
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Every fiber of my being was used to fight back the completely inappropriate comment I have lined up for this...
Are you sure it's because of that and not just that you couldn't fill the bill?
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Are you sure it's because of that and not just that you couldn't fill the bill?
Probably just afraid of getting the bird.
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Old 22nd October 2021, 01:14 PM   #998
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Originally Posted by Segnosaur View Post
Hey, those teenage escorts don't come cheep.
Or at all, most likely.
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Originally Posted by Segnosaur View Post
Hey, those teenage escorts don't come cheep.
Originally Posted by plague311 View Post
Every fiber of my being was used to fight back the completely inappropriate comment I have lined up for this...
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Are you sure it's because of that and not just that you couldn't fill the bill?
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Probably just afraid of getting the bird.
I think he was afraid to ruffle any feathers or lay an egg.
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Old 23rd October 2021, 02:19 PM   #1000
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Originally Posted by carlitos View Post
Or at all, most likely.

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