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Old 27th September 2011, 05:52 AM   #1
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Leftist idiots imprisoned by Iran blame America.

Not even being arrested and detained on trumped up charges by an Islamic fascist regime made them see the light.

Putting the "idiot" back in useful idiot:

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They indulged in some moral equivalence: “Two years in prison is too long, and we sincerely hope for the freedom of other political prisoners and other unjustly imprisoned people in America and Iran.” They assured the right-thinking world that their hearts (obviously not their minds) were in the right place: said Bauer, “The irony is Sarah [another hiker who was freed earlier], Josh and I oppose U.S. policies towards Iran which perpetuate this hostility.”

They thanked some of the world’s leading enemies of freedom and Useful Idiots for fighting for their freedom, including Venezuelan dictator Hugo Chavez, limousine leftist Archbishop Desmond Tutu, Code Pink’s manipulative propagandist Cindy Sheehan, hard-Left America-hating pseudo-scholar Noam Chomsky, and the addle-brained actor/activist Sean Penn.

Bauer appeared to be on the verge of an independent thought when he said: “We were convicted of espionage, because we are American. It’s that simple. No evidence was ever presented against us. That is because there is no evidence and because we are completely innocent.” But any hope that he might realize that the Iranian hostility toward the United States is similarly irrational and unjustified proved unfounded. For above all, Bauer said: “The only explanation for our prolonged detention is the 32 years of mutual hostility between America and Iran.”

The “only explanation”? Really? Well, actually in other remarks Bauer made it clear that he thought that America was more culpable than Iran: “In prison, every time we complained about our conditions, the guards would immediately remind us of comparable conditions at Guantanamo Bay. They would remind us in other parts of the world and the conditions that Iranians and others experience in prisons in the U.S. We do not believe such human rights violations on the part of our government justify what has been done to us. Not for a moment. However, we do believe these actions on the part of the U.S. provide an excuse for other governments, including the government of Iran to act in kind.”
God, what a bunch of prats.

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Old 27th September 2011, 05:56 AM   #2
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Originally Posted by Virus View Post
Not even being arrested and detained on trumped up charges by an Islamic fascist regime made them see the light.

Putting the "idiot" back in useful idiot:



God, what a bunch of prats.

http://frontpagemag.com/2011/09/27/u...holm-syndrome/
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including Venezuelan dictator Hugo Chavez, limousine leftist Archbishop Desmond Tutu, Code Pink’s manipulative propagandist Cindy Sheehan, hard-Left America-hating pseudo-scholar Noam Chomsky, and the addle-brained actor/activist Sean Penn.
Desmond Tutu? This web page is seriously knocking Desmond Tutu? What is this, like a white supremacist web page or something?

These kids might be idiots, but at least they're not evil pro Apartheid racists like the people you apparently get your information from.

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Old 27th September 2011, 06:04 AM   #3
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Originally Posted by Virus View Post

Putting the "idiot" back in useful idiot:
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On the other hand..

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* “Many times, too many times, we heard the screaming of other prisoners being beaten and there was nothing we could do.”
* “Sarah, Josh, and I have experienced a taste of Iranian regime’s brutality…It is the Iranian people who bear the brunt of this government’s cruelty and disregard for human rights. There are people in Iran who are imprisoned for years simply for attending a protest, for writing a pro-democracy blog, or for being a member of an unpopular faith. Journalists remain behind bars and innocent people have been executed.”
* “You may ask us ‘Now that you are free, can you forgive the Iranian government for what it has done to you.’ Our answer is this: ‘How can we forgive the Iranian government when it continues to imprison so many other innocent people and prisoners of conscience?’”
* “They [the Iranian regime] do not deserve undue credit for ending what they had no right and no justification to start in the first place.”
* “Solitary confinement was the worst experience of all our lives, it was a nightmare that Sarah had to endure for 14 months.”
* “No evidence was ever presented against us [regarding charges of espionage]. That is because there is no evidence, because we are completely innocent.”
* Two court sessions we attended were total sham. They were made up of ridiculous lies that depicted us as being involved in elaborate American and Israeli conspiracy to undermine Iran.”
* “If the Iranian government wants to change its image in the world and ease international pressure, it should release all political prisoners and prisoners of conscience immediately. They deserve their freedom as much as we do.”
http://www.iranhumanrights.org/2011/...ss-conference/

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Old 27th September 2011, 06:11 AM   #4
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Originally Posted by Undesired Walrus View Post
Your cherry tree is blooming.
Front Page Magazine is essentially the American answer to the Daily Mail, but without the journalistic integrity, honesty, or objectivity. And a hard-on for Israel.
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Old 27th September 2011, 06:11 AM   #5
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While I understand that it is comforting to some people to get their news about the world from sources which are blatantly biased towards their pre-existing prejudices, it never ceases to amaze me that they are stupid enough to think those sources are respectable enough to be shared with others.
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Old 27th September 2011, 06:16 AM   #6
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Originally Posted by Schrodinger's Cat View Post
Desmond Tutu? This web page is seriously knocking Desmond Tutu? What is this, like a white supremacist web page or something?

These kids might be idiots, but at least they're not evil pro Apartheid racists like the people you apparently get your information from.
He blamed America for 9/11 and compares Israel and the US to the Nazis.

It's possible to think he's a ridiculous figure without being a white supremacist and evil racist.
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Old 27th September 2011, 06:27 AM   #7
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Originally Posted by Virus View Post
He blamed America for 9/11 and compares Israel and the US to the Nazis.
How does that make one 'Leftist'?
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Old 27th September 2011, 06:38 AM   #8
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I think they thanked whoever asked for their release. I think it's a bit unfair to call them idiots for that.
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Old 27th September 2011, 06:45 AM   #9
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Originally Posted by Pardalis View Post
I think they thanked whoever asked for their release. I think it's a bit unfair to call them idiots for that.
I'd kiss the feet of Sylvia Brown if she had helped get me out of such a hell-hole!
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Old 27th September 2011, 06:50 AM   #10
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By the way, from my link:

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“If the Iranian government wants to change its image in the world and ease international pressure, it should release all political prisoners and prisoners of conscience immediately.”
That doesn't sound like 'blame America' or the kind of thing that ghastly leftist marxist Ron Paul would say, but instead rational and reasoned.
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Old 27th September 2011, 06:52 AM   #11
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Originally Posted by Virus View Post
Not even being arrested and detained on trumped up charges by an Islamic fascist regime made them see the light.

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God, what a bunch of prats.

http://frontpagemag.com/2011/09/27/u...holm-syndrome/
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Old 27th September 2011, 07:08 AM   #12
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Originally Posted by Cleon View Post
Front Page Magazine is essentially the American answer to the Daily Mail, but without the journalistic integrity, honesty, or objectivity. And a hard-on for Israel.
You give them too much credit. More like, two parts WND, one part Daily Mail. Nothing that FPM publishes should be taken at face value without checking a reputable source, not even direct quotes.
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Old 27th September 2011, 07:08 AM   #13
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Originally Posted by Virus View Post
He blamed America for 9/11 and compares Israel and the US to the Nazis.

It's possible to think he's a ridiculous figure without being a white supremacist and evil racist.
Do you have a quote of him actually comparing Israel to the Nazis? Because I can find web pages where people claim he said that, but really what he is saying is that he wishes Israel would be more compassionate in light of what they suffered at the hands of the Nazis

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“Remembering what happened to you in Egypt and much more recently in Germany -- remember, and act appropriately ... If you reject your calling, you may survive for a long time, but you will find it is all corrosive inside, and one day you will implode”
Or arguing that we live in a moral universe, as is demonstrated by the collapse of the Nazis and other oppressive regimes, which makes him believe that what he sees as the injustice in Israel will also one day end:

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"People are scared in this country [the US], to say wrong is wrong because the Jewish lobby is powerful - very powerful. Well, so what? For goodness sake, this is God's world! We live in a moral universe. The apartheid government was very powerful, but today it no longer exists. Hitler, Mussolini, Stalin, Pinochet, Milosevic, and Idi Amin were all powerful, but in the end they bit the dust.

Injustice and oppression will never prevail. Those who are powerful have to remember the litmus test that God gives to the powerful: what is your treatment of the poor, the hungry, the voiceless? And on the basis of that, God passes judgment."
I have found repeated statements of his in which he states that Israel has both the right to exist and to defend itself and it's borders. He seems to take issue with particular Israeli policies towards Palestinians, not condemnation of Israel as a whole, and certainly not equating Israelis to Nazis.

He also criticizes the Palestinians as well:

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We condemn the violence of suicide bombers, and we condemn the corruption of young minds taught hatred.
Really he just seems to want peace between the two groups, and for them both not to resort to violence.

But I guess to some people: I wish there wasn't anymore violent conflict or oppression by either the Palestinians or Israelis = I think Israelis are Nazis.

Like the Dalai Lama, perhaps his hopes for peace can be viewed as naive and unrealistically simplistic, but I think you'd have to be pretty jaded to condemn him on a moral level for just wishing people would get along and that violent conflict would stop.

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Old 27th September 2011, 08:11 AM   #14
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Isn't it funny how almost invariably the ones so eager to squeeze in emotionally-loaded phrases like "useful idiot"... are actually the dishonest BS-ers actually hoping you'd just get an unthinking knee-jerk reaction to whatever lie they're peddling and basically be their useful idiot?
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Indeed. Echoing sources like FPM and WND is the epitome of useful idiocy.
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I wonder how the Iranian guards in that prison know what is happening right now in Guantanamo? We don't even know what is happening in Guantanamo right now.
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Why do you assume anything is, Travis?
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Old 27th September 2011, 07:46 PM   #18
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I wonder how the Iranian guards in that prison know what is happening right now in Guantanamo? We don't even know what is happening in Guantanamo right now.
Ice cream, satellite TV and Playstations.

They're lucky they weren't busted for terrorism by the Saudis back home. They'll take your balls.
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Old 28th September 2011, 03:42 AM   #19
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Do you feel like addressing any of the points made by other posters Virus?
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Old 28th September 2011, 03:50 AM   #20
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Originally Posted by Virus View Post
Ice cream, satellite TV and Playstations.

They're lucky they weren't busted for terrorism by the Saudis back home. They'll take your balls.
Not for terrorism. For "terrorism" (opposing the house of saud in a way likely to be effective) sure, the house of saud has it priorities, but well given its own history the house of saud's options are limited. They tend to go in for ah rehabilitation.
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Ice cream, satellite TV and Playstations.

They're lucky they weren't busted for terrorism by the Saudis back home. They'll take your balls.
That's the ticket - never let a fact get in the way of a good ideology.

Idiots they may be, and possibly even evil leftist idiots, but after actually reading their words, I can find very little to take issue with. Mostly, they seem to be correct.

If John Kerry, John Edwards, and Al Gore rescued me from an Iranian prison, I'd thank them publically and profusely. Hell, I'd probably felate them.
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That's the ticket - never let a fact get in the way of a good ideology.

Idiots they may be, and possibly even evil leftist idiots, but after actually reading their words, I can find very little to take issue with. Mostly, they seem to be correct.
Well, they did blame the US policy on Iran as being the main cause of hostiliy, which is idiotic, to put it mildly.

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...limousine leftist Archbishop Desmond Tutu...
Desmond Tutu? This web page is seriously knocking Desmond Tutu?
Well, to be perfectly fair, it is a pretty sweet limousine.

I hear there's a mini-bar and satellite TV.
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Do you feel like addressing any of the points made by other posters Virus?
not if it requires re-examining his prejudices.
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The OP lacked objectivity and is so packed with rhetoric I couldn't help but chuckle. The title gave away just how loaded this thread was going to be. You should really consider working for Fox News virus, it suits you .
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