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4th January 2022, 02:14 PM | #1 |
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Oklahoma Legislator wants to ban books
SB1142 provides a mechanism to remove "books that make as their primary subject the study of sex, sexual preferences, sexual activity, sexual perversion, sex-based classifications, sexual identity , or gender identity or books that are of a sexual nature that a reasonable parent or legal guardian would want to know of or approve of prior to their child being exposed to it."
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4th January 2022, 02:16 PM | #2 |
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Didn't everything get said about this over in the Critical Race Theory thread?
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4th January 2022, 02:19 PM | #4 |
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Edit: Scratch that, this stuff belongs in the Critical Race Theory thread where it is already being discussed in the appropriate context.
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4th January 2022, 02:47 PM | #5 |
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Originally Posted by Standridge
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4th January 2022, 02:49 PM | #6 |
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Yes who could have predicted it; another token proposal to appease the Moral Majority and Q-nuts.
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4th January 2022, 04:29 PM | #12 |
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Wait. I read the bill.
It says it applies to all public schools. That would mean public high schools. Furthermore, all it takes is one single parent and there is no appeal process. So the result will be no sex education texts in public schools inside that state. Ignorance becomes the new god that must be worshipped. We are in the 21st Century and we have people in power who believe that if we never discuss sex then adolescents will lose interest in it. ………….. There are times when one would like to hang the whole human race, and finish the farce. - Mark Twain . |
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Is Senator Standridge aware of this thing called the internet?
You know, the place where most U.S. (at least) schoolchildren now get their sexual information. |
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I'm first in line to report the Holy Bible after checking out Ezekiel 23.
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How many books of that subject matter are available for elementary schoolers in the first place? I don't think too many.
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One of the things objected to is "gender identity." Does that not include ordinary traditional ideas of gender identity and roles? It would appear that one person objecting to the gendered character of any person in any book would, technically, be enough to have it removed. Good bye Little House in the Prairie, Stuart Little, Ferdinand the Bull?
I am of course not in that district, but I think if I were, and if I were still a parent of a school age child, I'd orchestrate a "denial of service" style attack. Get every parent who objects to the law to phone in a book a day. Any book that deals with the idea of a girl being a girl, or a boy being a boy, is a book with "gender identity" at its core. Any book that deals with marriage or romance between people has sexual preference as a basic core element. Off it comes. We might even have to object to the Bible, in which God is gendered. Unless you're a god or a robot, gender identity is pretty much built in. And that's the case even if you hate mine or I hate yours. |
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Look it's all for the best.
1: This law will help to increase pregnancies, thus creating more workers 2: This law will stop sexual abuse, because now parents and guardians can tell children what is normal and thus there will be no more reports. 3: This law will help people be miserable to conform to traditional roles even if they feel differently and thus help with mental health professionals and re-education camps having jobs. There is just no downside. |
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It impresses me that both right-wing conservatives and tinpot dictators seem to be terribly concerned with sex in general.
This is nothing new…. Back when I was a great deal younger, the city of St. Louis banned the musical “Hair” from performing at the St. Louis venues…. This largely at the urging of one of the aldermen’s wives…. A real bluenose. Then, they banned the sale of Xaviera Hollander’s “The Happy Hooker” which had just come out. This resulted in the situation where you could hardly go into someone’s home without seeing a copy on display on the coffee table… Read or not. |
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I'm actually OK with the basic intent, but the implementation seems problematic. Which books qualify is ill defined. Worse, the way it's worded suggests that if a parent objects to a book, the book must be removed or someone gets fired. I don't see anything in there about evaluating the validity of the objection, which would mean that basically any complaint will result in removal of the book. So while I think there really is a problem with schools carrying inappropriate books that parents have a right to object to, this law as written seems ripe for abuse.
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And if the Republicans get their way, many will be relieved of the burden of voting too.
This kind of law always reminds me of a little clipping I saved, undated and unattributed but probably around 1970, and probably from the Saturday Review: "The Fort Lauderdale (Florida) City Commission just passed an ordinance banning obscenity in books, magazines and records. The law is so specific that it is obscene in itself and cannot be made public." This one, by contrast, is vague, but so inclusive that it might do much the same thing. |
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This law strikes me as more an anti-queer (especially anti-trans) thing than anything. Conservatives frequently cloak their bigotry as a concern about perversion, but the sweeping language of this bill makes it clear that any book that speaks directly to the issues of sexual or gender identity would be on the chopping block.
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