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8th January 2021, 01:36 PM | #361 |
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One of the videos on youtube showed the woman being carried out on a stretcher. There were cries of "make a hole", and people clearing the hallways so the stretcher could be removed. The hallways were full, and it was a long series of hallways. There were hundreds inside the Capitol building.
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You've said something here that is very critical.
Up until then, they were all treating it like a game. Trump, the congress critters grandstanding their objections and the "protestors." It was a all a game. For some people, especially the senators, it suddenly became real. When they are being hauled off by security to a secure location for their protection and that of the vice president, suddenly it became far more apparent about the real "threat to democracy." When Ted Cruz was in college, he was a national champion debater. That means he can take any position and defend it, regardless of whether he believes it or not. He's a master at rhetoric. It has nothing to do with principles. |
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8th January 2021, 01:38 PM | #366 |
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And now the Repulbicans have the nerve to talk about unifying the country:
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"You accept that"
Who cares? It's reality. It's what happened. There's nothing for you to accept about it. Again why not go learn the most basic facts about this event before sealioning your way through a discussion about it? This is not real. A human being is not sitting here lamb bleating about how they simply can't comprehend (not agree or disagree with but literally lack the mental framework to even comprehend) why trying to force your way into the inner sanctum of Congress with a backpack in the middle of a violent riot is something that might require a deadly response. |
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So it wasn't a coup and hissy fits for days will be pitched if anyone says it is, but it was an execution.
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I think the time for alternatives was at different points before the very last barricade. The mob should never have gotten that far, and someone needs to be held accountable for that.
Imagine an angry mob strolling through the White House, destroying everything around them, and then one of them breaks into the Oval Office and gets shot. No one would question it. |
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Well, the guy who sat behind Pelosi's desk was arrested.
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People are obviously keen to educate me. So can I ask a couple of questions?
Were any shot fired by the rioters in the capitol? Were the pipe bombs planted in the capitol? Do we have any figures for how many people were wandering the corridors of the capitol? Is there a link to how the unfortunate police officer was injured / killed? |
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I'm so ******* sick of the evil people having defense run for them because the mediocre people want to spend more time tone policing the good people's language for "drama" and "hypocrisy" then worrying about the evil.
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FBI is rounding a lot of these folks up including WV State Representative Derrick Evans, who was just arrested. Seems like the FBI isn't playing around with these folks. I hope they get as many as they can.
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This woman gambled that law enforcement wouldn't defend and protect the legislative body as they are sworn to do.
She was wrong. |
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“If only it were all so simple! If only there were evil people somewhere insidiously committing evil deeds, and it were necessary only to separate them from the rest of us and destroy them. But the line dividing good and evil cuts through the heart of every human being. And who is willing to destroy a piece of his own heart?” Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn, The Gulag Archipelago |
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Some of the privileged learned they weren't all that privileged.
ETA: Still, I don't think there were any lessons learned. ETA II: Just look at that Elizabeth from Tennessee, who was shocked and dismayed at being maced for, in her own words, storming the Capitol in a revolution. I actively dislike these |
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The idiot who was shot to death should have been a statistic, a single name lost within the dozens of other names of terrorists killed during their attack on our government.
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What is sealioning?
Might is the operative word. Still miss the significance of the backpack. I may be ignorant or naive or stupid but you could still explain the facts as you see them. Inner sanctum is an interesting term. It is just a room. A room with people in. People who are the same as any other people. Actually the same as the person trying to climb in. Fundamentally her life is as valuable as any senator or congressman. In general killing people to suppress a riot is not regarded as good policing. |
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An execution is an act of punishment. The shooting discussed was an act of defense. One might argue deadly force to defend was not necessary--I don't agree, but even if somehow that were true, it would still not be an execution.
"I shot that person and didn't need to" is not the same as "They have committed a crime and I am now punishing them for it with my gun." The intent was to stop the person, not administer justice. |
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Yes, they were protecting all such people behind them against a violent mob. Would you suggest they just stand aside, maybe hand out visitor badges to the mob trying to reach the legislators and their staffs?
"Come on through, ma'am. You'll find most of Congress down the hall on the right. If you turn left, Vice President Pence will be behind the third door on the right. Be careful of the Secret Service agents! Have a nice day!" |
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