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8th January 2021, 02:06 PM | #401 |
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8th January 2021, 02:07 PM | #404 |
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I see that Pelosi is determined to start impeachment process on Monday if the 25th Amendment isn't invoked or if Trump doesn't resign. Kevin McCarthy is desperately trying to prevent that. He says that is too divisive.
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I forgot about those. You're right.
I wish to revise and extend my previous remarks. Molotov cocktails were found in the Capitol. They were not ignited or thrown. To answer a previous quesiton, sealioning is the act of pretending to argue in good faith. A common form of sealioning is demanding answers to a long series of questions without ever addressing the primary issues of the argument. |
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And you think shooting at someone automatically kills them. I know better. The assault on Congress was halted at the choke point, the very last chance to stop the mob that PUT A GALLOWS ON THE CAPITOL LAWN. You'd be condemning death either way, whether it's of the mob finding out their targets are defended, or that mob finding their targets are undefended and stringing up as many as they please.
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Did someone get water on Bob and make him multiply?
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OKAY...
THERE... WERE... PIPE... BOMBS... AND... MOLOTOV... COCKTAILS... DEPOSITED.... DURING... THE... ACTUAL... ATTEMPT... TO... OVERTURN... A... DEMOCRATIC... DECISION You don't need to give terrorists the benefit of the doubt when they are engaged in a violent attack. If she was a suicide bomber, do you wait until you are sure? When she's already demonstrated that she is engaging in a terrorist attack? |
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Expect a correction that the protestor with the Cocktails was merely among the protestors near the capitol building and had not yet entered the building. Also, the cocktails were not yet assembled, but since assembly and deployment seem tightly connected, I don't see why that matters much. But offer you this glimpse into your future . . . free of charge.
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Yes, and protection sometimes means using deadly force in self-defense and in defense of those whom they are sworn to protect. If you don't want to get shot, don't violently storm a govt building with hundreds of others, then attempt to access a chamber even though you were warned against it; inside are number of armed men pointing guns at you, completely unsure of your intent, because, you know, riot. She brought violence with her, and it was returned. Such things occur in an insurrection. This is a sad fact.
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That is a complete misreading of SGM's statement.
Her statement:
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Using the "reasonable person" standard of self defense and justification of the use of deadly force, a reasonable person would conclude that the Congressmen were in danger of death or great bodily harm. Under those circumstances, lethal force is justified in self defense or the defense of others. I'm not happy that she's dead, but, based on the evidence available to us, killing her was justified. |
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Reality also disagrees with them.
And reality disagrees with you and you keep not taking reality's side on purpose in an argument, there's a term for that. Lying. |
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There's something even worse than riling up Trump's base (which is what McCarthy really means by "divisive"), and that is having a further breakdown of democracy by not holding those responsible accountable for what we saw Wednesday.
McCarthy can go shove it. *He's* the one responsible for divisiveness for supporting Trump for the last 4 years. Christ, gimme a break. The country is done with this crap. Dems move on impeachment within a week; Mitt Romney tells off his fellow Repubs on the floor of the Senate. Enough certainly is enough. |
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I know that shooting some one does not necessarily kill them. I do accept that if you open fire on someone, you should shoot to kill. That shooting to wound is a Hollywood fantasy. i had wondered whether someone climbing through a window could have been shot in the arm, but I think that if you shoot you shoot to kill.
Did this murdering mob open fire through the window? Were any shots fired by the rioters? The only shots fired I can find by limited googling (Thanks Darat for the advice, ever helpful), were by the police. Of course this officer might not know that other shots were fired by police, and that would be a reason for believing violence was occurring. |
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Cool story. And what do you propose they do with the dozens coming in after she gets treated so sweetly?
I'm more against law enforcement overreactions than most people, but this was a mob that was already inside a building illegally, directly attacking our elected government. Deadly force was more than appropriate under the circumstances. |
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