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8th January 2021, 03:23 PM | #521 |
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Domestic terrorism.
They could also get ten years under that executive order that Trump himself signed to punish people defacing Federal monuments and property. He thought it was something he could use to lock up BLM protesters but hilariously it will end up incarcerating his own mob. |
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8th January 2021, 03:24 PM | #522 |
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Sad journey.
When she joined the Air Force she took an oath (it's the same for all branches of the US Military...same one I took when I joined the US Army) to preserve, protect and defend the Constiution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic. SHe ended up being one of those enemies. Tragic. |
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8th January 2021, 03:28 PM | #526 |
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which doesn’t invalidate anyone knowing the actual truth. You might as well reject evolution as the truth because some other group like creationists think they have the truth. You’re not going to go all postmodern on me now, are you?
Who said anything about absolute, 100% certainty? But < 100% certainty does not mean you don’t accept that which is 99% surely true. |
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“If only it were all so simple! If only there were evil people somewhere insidiously committing evil deeds, and it were necessary only to separate them from the rest of us and destroy them. But the line dividing good and evil cuts through the heart of every human being. And who is willing to destroy a piece of his own heart?” Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn, The Gulag Archipelago |
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8th January 2021, 03:33 PM | #529 |
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8th January 2021, 03:35 PM | #530 |
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I guess people just weren't on the same page. Everyone had been screaming about overturning the election by force, and some people came prepared for that with zip ties and weapons, but it seems most of them just went there to have some boisterous fun. Shame on the officer for taking them at their word and responding as if they had planned to overturn the election by force.
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8th January 2021, 03:38 PM | #533 |
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Everybody at that Save America rally knew that Trump was there to whip up fake claims of election fraud. He was psyching them up like Muhammad Ali before a fight. These people had travelled three thousand miles across America. They were not there to hang about in the rain for four hours.
OK so maybe two-thirds were just Trump fanatics. The hardcore were far right wing survivalists and neo-fascists. No way were they there for innocent reasons. |
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8th January 2021, 03:45 PM | #535 |
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Writers of The Secret Service Training Manual, please note: a Molotov cocktail must be thrown first before you exercise any defence of your subject.
Personnel MUST wait at least fifteen minutes to see whether a whole mob comes rushing at you before you fire a defence shot. BY ORDER OF THE MANAGEMENT |
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8th January 2021, 03:49 PM | #537 |
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Are you trolling?
You are the plainclothes officer at the other side of the door. That woman breaks through. You do what now? 10 seconds later, while you are doing whatever it is that you think should have been done (instead of stopping her), you have another dozen people who have gone through. What happens now? Oh, by the way, you have congress folk on the the same side of the door as you are and it's your job to protect them. They are a "group" (loosely speaking) of people radicalized over the last 5 years who had been told by at least 2 people who have the ear of the POTUS that at least one person on the other side of that door needs to be executed by firing squad. Some of them probably have the same mindset as the group who was planning to kidnap the governor of Michigan a while back. They are radicalized people who, in their own incompetent way, thought that they were there to install as president someone who was not elected to the office for the 20th of January. Believing in nonsense can be a dangerous thing (and they do and they are). These are not people on a tour of the grounds. As it turns out, we now have records of online discussions about bringing restraints and apprehending "traitors". As it turns out, we have photographs of this assault on the Capitol building showing that at least two people were equipped with such restraints (one of them appears have been identified and seems to be ex-military). They did not take hostages because they did not gain access to the people who they would have targeted as hostages. They did not gain such access because they were stopped, at that doorway, from entering that hallway (as well as, initially, at the front door of the chamber). But your argument here seems to be that they should have been allowed in because no one knew that they were not good people? |
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“If only it were all so simple! If only there were evil people somewhere insidiously committing evil deeds, and it were necessary only to separate them from the rest of us and destroy them. But the line dividing good and evil cuts through the heart of every human being. And who is willing to destroy a piece of his own heart?” Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn, The Gulag Archipelago |
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8th January 2021, 03:56 PM | #540 |
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Your argument seems to be that killing her was done as a way to set an example to the other people who might have attempted to follow her through the window. Further, since there were bad actors about, it was possible that she was planning more than what she already was doing (trespassing).
That is putting a whole lot of decision making latitude into the hands of the LEO, no? Not that I am necessarily against that, it just has not been the predominant sentiment on this Forum for some time now. |
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Again another lie - you’ve made it clear in the threads that have got under your skin so much you want to paint your false equivalency in this thread - that you disagree with that use of the word.
So you are not only lying multiple times but being a hypocrite when you do so. |
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I know you don't have the advantage of living here, but it ought to be clear from the video of the shooting that a mob was at the window/door and only a few cops were on the other side. She was told to back off as told by other people on her side of the door, i.e. witnesses on the mob side.
She ignored the warning from armed police who were just a couple feet away at most. I don't think that's the time to try to taser someone. Tasers are very useful when handled properly. But there's no guarantee it will stop someone leading a mob through a window. Same with pepper spray. The cop had no other options. It seems you get that. But if you want to express sadness over this death, it shouldn't start with the cop. It should start with the irresponsible people spreading the lies which led to the woman's beliefs that led her there. |
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While it is true that there have been some people in this forum celebrating the death of this poor woman, most of us are not celebrating.
Moreover, she was not shot because she was trespassing. She was shot because the policeman who shot her perceived her to be a threat to the Congressmen in the House chamber. We who support his action believe that his threat assessment was reasonable and his actions justified. |
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Nothing in the post you quoted makes that argument, not even a little bit. She was breaking through a barrier between the mob and the mob's targets. She did so in the full knowledge that the guards had guns and were ready to use them.
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There's a reason the concept of "useful idiots" is so common in revolutionary groups. They're basically volunteer human shields who are too stupid to realize that they are the human shields. While the loudmouth yahoos are running around attracting all the attention, the serious guys are moving about with purpose and intent, and if things go bad, they fade back into the cover of the mob. |
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CNN just announced that Trump has been permanently banned from Twitter
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Quote:
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I am reverting to a previously held position.
One that the poster I was responding to seems to agree with. The use of the term "execution" in instances such as the one being discussed is wrong, unfounded, and indicative of a bias that blinds one from making a reasoned argument. Neither dishonest, nor hypocritical. In spite of your unfounded accusations. |
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