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8th January 2021, 07:18 AM | #281 |
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8th January 2021, 07:19 AM | #282 |
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WHERE THE **** DID I ADVOCATE SHOOTING DEMONSTRATORS IN THE STREETS??? This woman was part of a mob of people who had destruction and lynching on their minds! This officer did the right thing! Other officers abdicated their duty to protect our duly elected representatives and the constitutional working of our government, and their actions endangered those who were inside the building! Every one of these cops who abdicated their duty should go to prison for being accessories! PERIOD!
I don't know what planet you live on, but on this planet, when a mob breaks into your house with weapons and intent to use them, you have every right to defend with whatever force is necessary and legal. Your argument is ridiculous. There were thousands of people there, many of whom were armed. Hundreds of them broke into the building, not a few. These people were not "protestors" they were rioters. |
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8th January 2021, 07:20 AM | #283 |
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8th January 2021, 07:25 AM | #284 |
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8th January 2021, 07:26 AM | #285 |
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I kept wondering how many of the people storming the US Capitol and carrying Confederate flags were gasping in outrage when Colin Kaepernick took a knee during the National Anthem before a football game- "OMG! He's disrespecting the US!" Purt' near all of 'em, I would reckon. (And the ones who cheered when Kaepernick lost his job over his action are probably screaming "PC! PC!" over these "patriots" who have lost, or will lose, their jobs over being identifiably involved in this. Cry me a river.)
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8th January 2021, 07:32 AM | #286 |
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Trump signed an executive order last summer giving 10 years automatic for desecrating national property.
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8th January 2021, 07:37 AM | #287 |
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Why do people feel the need to downplay what happened?
And more importantly, why do these same people think any of the rest of us are going to buy it? We all saw it happen live on television. We’ve seen all the horrific footage that’s been released in the interim. We know what happened. And it wasn’t “a few protesters who broke into a public building”. Peddle your ******** elsewhere. ETA: Oh, and that police officer whose death you’re downplaying and spreading lies about? He was murdered. He didn’t “fall down stairs”. He was bludgeoned to death with a fire extinguisher by the violent right wing terrorists who invaded the U.S. Capitol in an attempted coup. |
8th January 2021, 07:41 AM | #288 |
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Agree with this. And the officer that died didn't fall down stairs. He was hit with a fire extinguisher in the head.
Eta : And in planigale's post the quote "Police violence does not become right when it is against your political opponents." - it wasn't political opponents, it may have been political allies - half the cops may be Trump supporters. I don't know, and neither do you. What it really was is an intruder v. police. |
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8th January 2021, 07:44 AM | #289 |
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8th January 2021, 07:51 AM | #292 |
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8th January 2021, 08:00 AM | #293 |
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The cop sho shot the protester has been suspended - which tells us ABSOLUTLY NOTHING.
They ALL get placed on admin leave after a shooting, no matter how obviously justified. A cop who shoots someone gets put on leave - that's normal now. |
8th January 2021, 08:10 AM | #294 |
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8th January 2021, 08:12 AM | #295 |
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It should be noted that in addition to all of the instigators in the GOP, six Republican lawmakers actively took part in this violent terrorist act.
Let that sink in. There’s been a lot of talk about what the response would have been had this been a BLM protest, but imagine if on top of that, six Democratic lawmakers took part in an attempted coup. Do you think that anyone on the Right would ever forgive that? Do you think that anyone on the Right would ever let that go and not tar and feather every Democrat with it until the end of time? Everyone should keep that in mind in the coming weeks, months, and years as we watch these disingenuous scumbags in the GOP feign indignation at the idea of being associated with the violent terrorist attack that their party committed. The rot in the Republican Party is deep and profound. |
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Again we can point out that "Well if the left had done this..." all day long and let me be one hundred percent very clear here we would be absolutely right do to do so.
But that doesn't change they fact that it won't matter and it won't change because the Republicans don't care. They don't care that they are hypocrites, they don't care that they have double standards, they don't care that X would happen differently if the shoe was on the other foot. They go into every discussion, every scenario, every debate with one simple assumption already in place... "We're already correct. We're the real Americans." Of course they don't follow the same rules as the Left. That's insane. That's like wanting to know why prison guards and prisoners don't have to follow the same rules. That's like wanting to know why parents get to dictate bed time to their children but children don't get to dictate bedtime to their parents. There's no double standard, that's silly. One side is just already by fiat the correct one. They grab power because they honestly and deeply believe they are entitled to it. So there's nothing else to prove and nothing else to earn for them. And all it's lead to is... well them winning. They have 3 Justices on the Supreme Court, we didn't get any. There will be less political and legal blowback from this insurrection at the Capitol then the Democrats have gotten from Hillary's e-mails. They get their way and win because they have no standards to hold them back. |
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8th January 2021, 08:23 AM | #297 |
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8th January 2021, 08:38 AM | #298 |
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I am not sure why you are surprised at Trump's omniincompetence. He is incompetent in everything, including things that would be beneficial for him if properly done, like COVID response... or this half-assed stupid coup attempt. I think weeks ago someone linked article about stupid coup attempts and how they ended mere months later.
What it is with Trump apologists always lying about what happened? |
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8th January 2021, 10:00 AM | #301 |
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Why are so many people hung up over the selfies? What if the cops who posed for selfies had less hostile crowds, and the mad dogging weekend warriors were the ones who got overwhelmed? I don't have any evidence either way, but it's not obvious to me what happened.
During BLM, obviously, there were cops who took a knee. Later on they'd beat the **** out of protestors. That could be the case here as well. |
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8th January 2021, 10:04 AM | #302 |
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8th January 2021, 10:14 AM | #303 |
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8th January 2021, 11:04 AM | #310 |
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No. There's no evidence that she was executed.
It's bad that she was shot but that officer was protecting a retreat route for legislators as well as access to the locations where they were retreating to. She was one person breaking through but it would have reasonably looked to that officer like if she had she broken through a mob would have followed her. Now you have a mob with access to legislators and Pence. No one should want that particular situation to happen and, in fact, at that moment that officer's job was precisely to avoid that situation. Taking a chance of that happening would have risked being an extremely poor choice (to make a gross understatement). |
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https://heavy.com/news/brian-sicknick/
His twitter account has a picture of Trump's plane. I think they locked the account. |
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8th January 2021, 11:13 AM | #312 |
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I've got to wonder if that's a real cop, or if real, not an actual Capitol Police cop.
He's all by himself. He's running toward the barricades with no other cops around. His uniform doesn't look like what the Capitol Police were wearing. It's also possible that he is waving somebody in the crowd forward, not meaning the entire crowd. e.g. going to find a medic and get them in. Investigators will be able to figure out some of those answers. If he really is a Capitol Police officer it should be possible to ID the guy and yes, if he is doing what he appears to be doing he will at least be fired and probably be charged. |
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8th January 2021, 11:57 AM | #315 |
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She was part of a mob. Including people like this:
ErI1ne4XMAICBGy.jpg It's entirely justified violence to shout at a mob to fall back, and then when one tries to come into the room you're sheltering potential hostages, to fire a single shot. The protestors were not playing. Some were just idiots, but enough were full on terrorists. |
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8th January 2021, 12:12 PM | #316 |
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That heavy article has a link to a video that I had not previously seen of the police getting overwhelmed at one of the barricades.
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No one should be "executed" but that isn't what happened. An armed mob mounted an insurrection on the Capitol while our political leaders were conducting the transition of power. And a police officer defending that process shot a member of that mob.
What do you think they should do? Open the doors and end democracy? I'm a peaceful guy, but there is always a point when you have to stand up. |
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I suppose this all depends on definitions. Merriam-Webster 'a putting to death especially as a legal penalty'. She was deliberately put to death. If she was climbing through the window she was of no immediate threat to anybody. Was she armed? I don't know, does anyone here? I still rest with the issue that non-lethal force was available. The potential of what someone else might do is not justification for killing another person. Killing her to discourage others is not a justification for homicide. I would be happy to substitute 'homicide', 'murder', 'kill'.
I do recognise that many of these people were armed. I think the second amendment is stupid and this is a direct consequence of the second amendment, indeed one can say this was the justification for the second amendment. But a key thing (one that one can hear in every dubious shooting of a black man by a LEO) "once you draw your weapon like that, you have to defend yourself with deadly force." No, a police officer drawing a weapon does not mean that by merely drawing his weapon he is justified in using it. I think posters here do not know what terrorism is. Terrorists would have roamed the corridors shooting everyone they saw, terrorists do not target. This was not terrorism. They were not a radical political group who took hostages and entered into negotiations, they were not political activists who occupied the capitol with a lock in. I have heard no report that a single shot was fired by these rioters*. (I may be wrong and if so I anticipate a stream of corrections.) They stole a podium. If police officers (or anyone else) were assaulted then the individuals concerned should be prosecuted. I do not defend attacking a police officer with an extinguisher (I have not seen a report of this, but I am sure that the poster who said this knows this as a fact, and I accept this). But this does not justify killing other people. These maybe horrible neo-nazi scum but they need their rights defended in the same way as every other human. I think it is deeply sad the police officer died, however it happened. I think it is sad that others died who perhaps might not have had there not been a riot. I am not sad a weirdo right wing Trumpist woman died, but I still thinking shooting her in the face when she was climbing in through a window was unnecessary. I know 'stand your ground' is a US thing, but I do not think this is a reason for killing someone. ETA * Within the capitol |
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“But this was a few protesters who broke into a public building.”
That can’t be serious, right? |
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