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10th September 2018, 01:40 AM | #441 |
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But you attributed to me something I never said or even thought. My suggestion? Avoid doing that; it's not difficult. Those comments were made by people speculating what possible justification she might come up with. I think you're probably smart enough to understand that.
Instead you said I wanted posters to think she was terrified. I said nothing remotely like that. There's an easy way to avoid this: Respond to what posters write; rely less on mind-reading. |
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10th September 2018, 02:25 AM | #445 |
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An off duty cop who comes across a crime (I presume that is what she will say she thought was happening, someone had broken into her apartment) should put themselves back on duty and react appropriately.
She had exactly the same alternatives as if she had been on foot patrol and had come across a potential housebreaking. |
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10th September 2018, 03:58 AM | #446 |
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It is not normal for a police officer to shoot an unarmed intruder.
Normal procedure is to arrest said intruder. Had she been at her own apartment, normal procedure would have been to arrest the unarmed intruder. Had this intruder been in a closed grocery store, normal procedure would have been to arrest him. In no case is it normal procedure for a police officer to immediately fire two rounds at an unarmed suspect, absent other circumstances such as a fight with the officer. |
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10th September 2018, 04:09 AM | #447 |
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Ahh yes a new heinous crime! What shall we call this scenario you have made up? "Running towards your front door someone is trying to force open, whilst black?"
Would you still be arguing these ficticious inanities if she had shot a female, child or teenager who had opened their own door trying to see who was on the other side? |
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What a fool believes, no wise man has the power to reason away. What seems to be, is always better than nothing. 2 prints, same midtarsal crock..., I mean break? |
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10th September 2018, 04:34 AM | #449 |
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Another possibility is that they put the Manslaughter charge on hold because they have found something more nefarious.
For example, she has had problems with this neighbor, or was dating him, or some other reason that puts it more toward 2nd degree murder. |
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10th September 2018, 04:42 AM | #450 |
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Otherwise, she is going to claim that she was completely wiped out by the 14 hour shift, and that the Dallas PD is responsible for putting her in a state where this could have happened.
This will be a difficult prosecution. She was in fear for her life, going to the wrong door is an easy mistake to make, we have testimony here of several apartment dwellers going to the wrong apartment. Her mental state was decreased because of the extended shift. Will the jury be instructed to only look at 'Was she in fear for her life?', ignoring the mistake of going to the wrong apartment? Did he have a remote control in his hand? was he carrying a baseball bat? a knife? a gun even? Jury instruction will be critical to the outcome. |
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10th September 2018, 04:43 AM | #451 |
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Will there be expert testimony telling about judgement mistakes after a high stress 14 hour shift?
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10th September 2018, 05:21 AM | #457 |
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Many cops have gotten off responding to the wrong house and shooting people. Many have gotten off shooting someone when the wrong address is on a warrant.
I'd say it is important if she announced "POLICE, OPEN UP" first. If she did that, then she will certainly be cleared. If she did not, it might be a difficult defense. |
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10th September 2018, 05:29 AM | #458 |
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Here is another scenario, she walks up to the wrong apartment, starts to put her key in, realizes it is not her apartment, but hears something indicating a crime in progress. She then attempts to stop the crime by announcing 'open up, police' the door opens, and the subject attacks the officer.
At what point did she realize it was not her apartment, but there was a possible crime in progress? Or, if she is at the apartment thinking it is hers, hears something, assumes it is a crime in progress, then announces police. This is going to be very hard to prosecute. Either way, she THINKS there is a crime in progress. |
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10th September 2018, 05:32 AM | #459 |
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Why do you think this? If she identified herself as a cop the victim would most likely have opened the door, as he did, and been killed for doing so, as he was. Are you suggesting the victim should have not opened the door, even if she had identified herself? Or are you saying the shooting was inevitable, that whatever course of action the victim took he would have been killed, and that's okay?
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10th September 2018, 05:36 AM | #461 |
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If she yelled "Police! Open up!" and then shot him when he obeyed her, that will be a certain conviction, imo.
If she said anything to indicate that she already thought a burglary was in progress, then she's doomed, imo. It means she would have been expecting the door to be opened by someone, and she was not surprised by the door opening at all. This burglar can't really exit any other way than the front door, being on the third floor, as she thought. It also means she should have treated the situation as an active crime in progress in the first place. Which would have meant in part, backing away from the door and calling it in. The apartment number is apparently easily seen by the door. https://dallasnews.imgix.net/1536542...Jeannumber.jpg |
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10th September 2018, 05:42 AM | #462 |
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If she convinces a jury that she was in fear of her life, after a 14hour shift, they will have to acquit her. Do you know if the resident answered the door with a gun? or a knife? or a bat? We don't know this yet. How can you say the above, knowing that police officers have been getting off shooting people in the wrong house over and over? |
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Hall announced Friday that investigators were preparing a warrant for a manslaughter charge. A day later, after turning over the case, she said the Rangers had asked her to hold off on the charges. The Rangers, she said, had interviewed Guyger and wanted to further investigate information obtained from her.
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Here is an updated article with a description of the incident
https://www.dallasnews.com/news/dall...-official-says Door was unlocked She walked in She shot him She called 911 and was saying she's sorry. She parked on the wrong floor of the parking deck She did not know the victim. It was dark when she shot him. (does this mean skin color is not a factor?) |
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Well .. that's what you get for keeping the door unlocked. People seriously do that in US ?
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10th September 2018, 06:28 AM | #480 |
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So now we have updated version, what, 3 or 4, and still no mention of Jean acting aggressively? Unless Dallas PD protocol is to kill all suspects on sight, there is no way she has justification.
I guess the takeaway is to lock your doors at all times, now to protect yourself from police walking in and executing you. Because they are scared and/or tired and/or pay little attention to important details like where they are. I can't believe there is anything debatable here. |
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