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10th September 2018, 10:58 AM | #601 |
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City of Dallas taxpayers need to really think about maybe raising what we pay starting cops so that we can fill some of the 200 vacancies and avoid this sort of massive liability. Admitting that you are understaffed and overworking your existing staff is just a recipe for massive liability every time an officer screws up.
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What a fool believes, no wise man has the power to reason away. What seems to be, is always better than nothing. 2 prints, same midtarsal crock..., I mean break? |
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10th September 2018, 11:07 AM | #606 |
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If she lied about how it happened (big if, I know. Given conflicting news accounts, that is yet to be determined), it would be very bad for her, and would make me think that the whole "wrong apartment" story was an attempt by the officer to cover up a premeditated murder.
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10th September 2018, 11:12 AM | #610 |
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Take a look at your post again: http://www.internationalskeptics.com...1#post12423751 The problem here is that you said "Yes, you'd be correct" to a post that contained two different hypotheticals. It's not clear just from the post if you're agreeing to the last paragraph, or the first. |
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I don't know given what information we have now (over-reaching caveat that we don't have the full story and I reserve the right to modify this as we do) even as a far out spitballing theory the "Really a premeditated murder" story doesn't really flow for me.
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10th September 2018, 11:15 AM | #612 |
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Have they released a recording of her 911 call? That would be her earliest account.
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The fact the woman is a cop is irrelevant to me. I would argue the same thing if it was an armed citizen who did this. So far, this story isn't too different than one hunter at dusk honestly mistaking another for a deer. Not every hunter who accidentally kills someone gets prosecuted. Accidents happen, and sometimes people get killed when guns are involved.
The cops treated her with kid gloves because she was a cop, but that's par for the course. |
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I'm going to go out on a limb here, and say that the City of Dallas and the Dallas PD does not want this to go to trial.
They are going to be portrayed as the department that forces officers to work extended dangerous shifts, because they don't want to pay for more officers. They are going to be crucified if this goes to trial. I'm going to say it will be a huge out of court civil settlement, with charges against the officer dropped, or a plea to the lowest possible offense. |
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No reports on what they've got. But they've got something.
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I think the military has run a "Can you safely carry a weapon even on no sleep" study for the last... ever that is rigorous enough for anybody.
I'm been so tired into an armed security watch that I'm surprised Freddy Krueger didn't show up and I still managed to never shoot someone in their own apartment. |
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"Given a pass" no but yes that's a standard defence in law
"In criminal law, the intoxication defense is a defense by which a defendant may claim diminished responsibility on the basis of substance intoxication. Where a crime requires a certain mental state (mens rea) to break the law, those under the influence of an intoxicating substance may be considered to have reduced liability for their actions" |
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But she would only be yelling "Open up!" if she thought somebody was inside. If it was just the non-functional key, she would be more likely to think there was something wrong with the lock. And if she thought somebody was in her apartment, she would have assumed it was a bad guy and had her gun drawn. Door opens, black guy (predetermined to be the bad guy) appears, "bang bang!" without any conversation.
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The Onion: Defiant Dallas Police Officer Claims Anyone Could Have Mistaken Black Man’s Apartment For Gun
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How long till the defence of, I shot the police officer dead because I was confused and forgetful and frightened. I now realise the officer was in a police station and not a threat to anyone.
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It sounds dickish to be so worried about the bottom line, but all these police shootings are costing tax payers money. This is a real problem. This is hitting my tax bills.
Sure, increasing starting salaries will cost more, too. Lets just say they fill those 200 vacancies and we get up to 900 officers and pay them each an extra $20,000 that is $18M per year in additional salary, plus a bit more in retirement expenses and such. How much to you think this one shooting will cost after we factor in overtime and legal fees? How much will the next one cost? Oh, and by their own admission they are spending more on overtime than it would cost to hire the 200 additional officers, so there would be some offset there. The loss of life is devastating and I think I made that clear early on in this thread. But the fiscal mismanagement is pretty bad, too. |
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For a city of 1.2 million people that works out to $15 per annum per person*. Not really a huge expense. That said police officers in Dallas are well paid:
http://dallaspolice.net/joindpd/Page...yBenefits.aspx Starting pay of nearly 50k a year for a job that doesn't require a college degree, and tops out at over $75k a year without promotion. Thats before any bonuses or OT. Oh and a pension after 20 years. ETA: *of course this is Texas we're talking about. A referendum to increase property taxes .1% will likely fail. |
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It's the perfect crime. After you shot the first person because you were scared you can just then claim that you're such a threat that any reasonable person would want to shot you on site, therefore you can claim "reasonable fear of for your life" from everybody, and shoot them.
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I posted earlier that it seemed like she might have ordered him to open the door, and when he did what she ordered him to do, his reward was a bullet in the chest and a bullet in the stomach.
It's possible that if she's not in uniform, he doesn't open the door, and doesn't get shot, but because he sees a uniformed cop, he naturally opens the door on demand. Assuming the "locked door" door story is correct...which we can't say yet. |
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