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10th September 2018, 12:22 PM | #641 |
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By that report, presumably drawn from the officer's own account, she didn't give any warning before shooting. Even if there had been a burglary in progress, killing without warning is not approved police procedure. The lesson here is when you enter your own home, always close and lock the door behind you. Put the chain on. Maybe push furniture against it if you have time. |
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When I lived in Utah my neighborhood had some city police, state patrol, and county sheriffs living in it. They all wore their uniforms home and kept their patrol vehicles at home as well. That also happened with federal land management agency law enforcement people as well.
That said, I lived in a smallish town. It seems common in smallish towns but I don't know about larger cities like Dallas. |
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10th September 2018, 12:26 PM | #645 |
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According to the Dallas police web site, a standard work week is five eight-hour shifts or four 10-hour shifts.
http://dallaspolice.net/joindpd/Page...yBenefits.aspx If she was working overtime, they haven't actually said how much or for how long. |
10th September 2018, 12:33 PM | #646 |
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I have seen numerous times in Ontario, Canada where cops drive their patrol car home and keep it there till the next shift, and I know some uniformed officers drive home in the own cars routinely
I know in the past when i lived out of town in some rural areas, cops are 'on call' at night and they keep the cruiser at their home, I do not know if that's still practiced now. |
10th September 2018, 12:36 PM | #647 |
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I think he's talking about the same video we can all see on the web of her walking on the balcony and talking on the radio or phone. The witness is probably one (of several) already cited by reporters and whose statements we have already read. There are no eyewitnesses of the shooting but there are at least two who heard the shots and heard more things after that.
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10th September 2018, 12:58 PM | #654 |
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I believe that the original first description of the event given by Dallas Police is her version of what happened. I think it describes her entering the apartment and then shooting him. That makes sense if the door was open and she went in and then he suddenly appears.
In a locked-door version, he opens the door and she shoots him. In this version, she doesn't enter the apartment until after she shoots him. The shots would be fired before she crosses the threshold. |
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The victim's attorney, Lee Merritt, is on the phone to CNN now. He says the victim was fully clothed and wasn't holding a weapon or anything like one -- "No butterknife, nothing." He also complains that the cop wasn't arrested at the scene just based on the observable facts: unarmed person killed by someone who had no right to be there. He doesn't say anything about how she entered the unit.
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Once again I must disagree here. The story is vastly different from that of a hunter making a target mistake, which is bad enough, and which, as I've said before should be considered a fatal mistake that at the very least ends a hunting career forever. But at least the hunter is out hunting and can be expected to be armed and looking for prey which he is licensed to shoot on sight. That is not at all the case here. The hunter's mistake, bad as it is, is a single one. This incident is an escalating chain of mistakes, bad judgment, and sloppy procedure.
Your argument, if taken a bit further, suggests that any initial mistake mitigates any subsequent malfeasance. If she had accidentally driven her car into someone's living room and he'd made gestures she thought were threatening, would she be entitled to draw her gun and kill him? I don't think so. At some point, what she thought, even if it's true, is irrelevant, because the homeowner was at home, and when his rights conflict with hers, his win. Cop or armed citizen, a mistake at the beginning does not erase mistakes made further on. I don't think there's any way to spin this story to conclude that she might have had the right to kill him. |
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Originally Posted by CTV News
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Tenants may also have assigned parking spaces. We don't know. If they do, then she may have put her car in the correct numbered space but on the wrong floor. Still, a person would tend to recognize the same cars always parked around their space. She would have seen all different cars.
I find it odd if she drives to/from the police station because it's literally only one block away. Maybe she is based out of some other station. |
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I'd like to know way more about those "verbal commands:" "Get on the ground!" "Why?" Bang! https://www.star-telegram.com/news/l...218154635.html Apparently one shot missed, which means to me that she was probably a good distance from him. His neighbors should feel fortunate that somebody else wasn't killed by a stray bullet coming through the wallboard. Prosecutors say murder charge possible.
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A million here and a million there and it starts to add up.
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Also, the financial cost of this crime is likely down the road a bit. While it definitely has my attention as a taxpayer it probably isn't the major theme of this thread. Sorry for the personally motivated derail. |
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Commercial garages often have different colors on different levels to make it easier for people to remember where they are. I wonder if this place does the same thing? If her unit is on the blue floor, and she drove to the green floor, that's more evidence of confusion or negligence.
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10th September 2018, 02:24 PM | #664 |
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The parking levels appear to be generically the same or at least don't have special colors. I'm sure there would be signs indicating what level you are on.
https://cdngeneral.rentcafe.com/dmsl...ashgallery.jpg This is the 5th floor rooftop parking deck. No residences on this floor. http://jpi.com/wp-content/uploads/SSFL-10.jpg |
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I think it's possible that if this building doesn't have assigned spaces for each tenant she may not have been able to find an empty space on the 3rd floor (her floor) and so she drove up to the 4th floor. Then she may have "spaced out" and not realized that she'd have to take an elevator down one floor to get to her door. She'd walk into the tenant corridor on 4 but proceeds as if she is on 3. She'd then walk to the door that represents her apartment just as she does every day. But she is on 4, not 3.
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I still think in all this argument one basic idea is not being addressed completely. The occupant was in his own home and her encounter with him was not in connection with a police matter. His rights prevail. He did not have any obligation at all to explain himself, to be polite or deferential, dressed or naked, armed or unarmed, sober or drunk, good or bad, understanding or clueless, aggressive or not aggressive. Her initial mistake makes every subsequent action of hers an extension of that mistake, even if her feelings are explicable and her subsequent mistakes understandable. ALL the burden was on her. If there is a conflict of rights, his stand and hers fall. Any spin that results in a homeowner who is murdered by a stranger in his own home being considered at fault is bizarre.
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He certainly didn't have any obligation to do anything. But if he had imagined that his own home was being invaded, and he had reached for his own gun, she -- who shouldn't even have been there at all -- would still have a right to defend herself. Her only possible defense is that she was legitimately scared for her life. There is no evidence to support that claim.
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Is there any grass on the outdoor deck? I've heard that the real shooter was on the grassy knoll.
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Question here: Most cops belong to strong unions. What does it take to fire a cop? I would think the Dallas chief could at this point say something like "We express no opinion about the ultimate legal resolution of this matter. But we have no confidence in an officer who has been charged with manslaughter, and therefore she is terminated effective today." Why would even other cops want her around?
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She's a good shot?
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It might be a negligence .. but it was criminal one. At minimum I would expect suspended sentence, paying damages, and she can't be cop anymore.
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Suspended sentence? For killing an innocent guy? She doesn't need to go to jail forever, but a stay at the Graybar Motel should be mandatory. Civil damages are for sure; Dallas' lawyers are just going to negotiate the number. The city might try to claim that she wasn't acting as a cop, and shouldn't be liable; but they trained her, supervised her and handed her a gun, so that probably won't go far.
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Well for sure I don't know how such cases are handled in US. Here in Czech Republic, you can get suspended sentence even if you kill somebody. Like in car accident. You need serious mitigating circumstances, but it is possible. Short jailtime is more likely.
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