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Upon further reflection, it has flaws.
The report says she was on the phone to the dispatcher when she needed to look at the door. The police would need to have been there nearly instantaneously (depending on how long she was on the call) and gone to her actual apartment number (perhaps that is information they would have known, though). Still, no other reading of it makes sense. |
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Hey guys, I'm starting to think that this whole "wrong apartment" thing was a hastily-concocted excuse.
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I am making no argument based upon level of fatigue. I have done things like go to the wrong door, got off on the wrong floor, grabbed the handle of the wrong car door, mistaken what time of day it was, gone into the ladies room instead of the men's, etc.. Multiple times throughout my life, often while fully rested just distracted by some other thoughts.
Happens slightly more often these days with the further distractions the "smart" phones bring. I don't need her to be tired in order for it to seem reasonable to me that she could have went to the wrong door (or floor) in a hallway full of similar looking doors. |
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According to previous stories, the building is a block from police headquarters. "Nearly instantaneously" would be within the realm of possibility. And the dispatcher would have told an officer in trouble to stay on the line and wait for the cavalry. What you're hypothesizing sounds entirely possible.
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Have you ever shot anyone to death in any of these situations, though?
I'm pretty sure you never did, which is a good thing of course. But if you had, do you think it would be reasonable for you to avoid any consequences by saying "I was confused/distracted/tired/whatever"? |
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My point was, you don't get to use having been at work for x amount of time as an excuse to kill another human being, no matter what your occupation is. The whole "being a cop is super stressful" thing is utter rubbish. Compared to what exactly? It's not like all cops are working on child porn making infant rapists and serial killing cannibal cases all the time.
It's not about derision, it's about trying to obtain some sort of realistic perspective on things. There are plenty of stressful jobs out there. And yet we don't (or at least we shouldn't) give people a "get out of jail free card" because they're working a heavy job. |
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I don't carry a gun. I think it should be nearly impossible (in an ideal world) for a person to be able to walk around armed like that (this case is an example of one of the reasons why I hold that position)- so, no never shot anyone.
In answer to your second question: sometimes, depending on the particular facets of the situation. |
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I agree. I cannot envisage a situation in which working a long shift excuses killing another human being.
But I think you are leaping a lot of details if you are asserting that is an excuse being provided. It is one data point among others. Personally, it carries little import with me if she was exhausted or wide awake. I can imagine mistakenly opening the wrong door in either condition. |
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Per WaPo:
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No she wouldn't; that's a ridiculous claim. It's equivalent to saying that a home invader who encounters an armed homeowner has a right to shoot him in self defense. As far as I can understand in Texas law, Jean had an absolute right, on seeing an armed stranger in his apartment who had no right to be there, to shoot her dead on the spot; the corollory of this is that the armed intruder had, by illegally entering another person's home when armed, forfeited all rights including the right to life. Whether or not I agree with it, that seems to be the law.
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More to the point, if she was so sure where she was, why did she have to go outside to read the apartment number? Even if - as she claims - it was in darkness, her eyes would quickly adjust, and she'd see enough to know she wasn't in her own. I'd suggest that she'd already realised she was in the wrong place, and thus had to go outside to find out the actual apartment number. Her claiming she didn't know until she saw the number is a self-serving lie.
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Our house is in a street of literally identical terraced houses. When we moved in in October 2010 my wife and I did it ourselves, making three trips from north-east London to south-east London. The last one, we arrived at the new house after 22:00, and had to park further up the street because there wasn't a space nearer. We'd both been awake and shifting boxes and furniture for most of the previous 14 hours, having been up until after midnight the previous night finishing the packing, but I told her to go to bed, as she had to drive the van back to the rental place in the morning (she still managed to lose a wing-mirror in the process). It took me another couple of hours to unload the van on my own (shouldn't have left my library until last!). Despite being parked some distance from the house, never once did I manage to walk up the wrong path, let alone try to open the wrong door.
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A reasonable person would get out and call the cops. (Even if you are a cop responding opening fire with no imminent threat should be illegal). The problem with US cops and perhaps the US more generally is that opening fire is seen as a reasonable action. It should never be seen as reasonable, although it may be necessary. In the UK every shooting results in a court case (a coroner's court in most of the UK, an FAI by a fiscal in Scotland), this means any defence by the LEO can be challenged, the jury can return a verdict of homicide; although a criminal trial would need to follow for a conviction to result.
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Other countries mange with no plea deals. You just fund your court system appropriately (most places make a profit on fines, so first call should be funding your court system), sending fewer people to jail would save some money. (E.g. a recent case of a person convicted of lying to the FBI; 2 weeks in jail for a non-violent first offence is just silly; 2 weeks means taking vacation time, just a waste of money there are far better ways to punish someone eg. a 1 year sentence suspended for five years dependent on community service, or even part time jail - every week end for 6 months.
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I'm wondering at what point she drew her gun, and why her gun and not her taser?
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We haven't even seen exactly what her defense is.
If she worked a 14 hour shift, after being off for 4 hours, after another 12 hour shift, for example. She is going to claim she was mentally unfit and push this on the DPD for doing this to her. If they fire her now, after putting her on some extended shift, they are going to look even worse. |
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