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7th September 2018, 08:36 AM | #41 |
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7th September 2018, 08:40 AM | #42 |
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Cops say she called dispatch at 9:59pm to report the shooting. She was returning home after a full shift. Did her shift end at (say) 9pm, or did she leave early from a 10pm shift?
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Does the exact length of time she's been off shift matter?
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7th September 2018, 08:57 AM | #48 |
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I'm tempted to wait until we find out if she was drunk before hair splitting that.
Eye witnesses are bad about calling any odd behavior "drunk." |
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7th September 2018, 09:05 AM | #50 |
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You may be right but the website for this complex doesn't seem to mention any elevator. It's common for websites like this to mention an elevator(s) in the list of amenities - but there is no mention here.
I studied the gallery of photos and I might be seeing a steel elevator door way up on the top deck. https://www.southsideflatsapts.com |
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7th September 2018, 09:06 AM | #51 |
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As far as the issue of drunk or not drunk, I've been just as incapacitated by being exhausted as I have been from a few drinks. If she didn't sleep well the night before and had a long and active shift she may have just been exhausted and not thinking well. Throw in the fact that lots of officers work overtime or other security jobs and it is just as likely that she was exhausted. But, the issue of her intoxication or other type of incapacitation is surely one that will come up as the case develops, either to pin her to the cross or help her avoid prosecution.
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7th September 2018, 09:13 AM | #52 |
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Felony stupid cop who can't conceive she might be wrong.
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It seems to me that it fits the definition of voluntary manslaughter to a T. There's no reason (based, of course, on the very limited evidence we've seen so far) to suppose she deliberately planned to kill this particular individual, or that she had any prior intention of killing anyone; she was simply so negligent in her actions that she culpably caused the death of the victim. In fact, if "imperfect self-defense," the honest but unreasonable belief that the actions were necessary to counter an attack, is a category of voluntary manslaughter in Texas law, then absent any other compelling evidence it should be a slam-dunk case. Except, of course, that she's a police officer.
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My, uniformed, view would be that the point at which she pulled her firearm from her holster and pointed it at a man who was no threat was the prior intention.
I appreciate I may be wrong from a legal point of view, but the 'there was no intent' thing would seem to make any killing not planned a day in advance not murder. I meet a bloke on the street, I don't like his face, I kill him. It wasn't planned, not until I decided I didn't like his face, therefore not murder. Again, I realise my view probably doesn't match the actual, legal position.
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This reminds me of a similar case in Denmark a couple of years ago. However, the killer was a high-school teacher and used a knife:
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My translation: High-school teacher sentenced: 12 years in jail for brutal killing During the trial the 34-year-old claimed that he was innocent an explained that a misunderstanding led to the death of Ernst Ellebye. The convicted killer had allegedly confused the elderly man’s apartment with his own and thought that the 74-year-old was a burglar. That is why the high-school teacher fought his way into the apartment where he had a fight with the physically inferior elderly man. The autopsy showed that, among other things, Ernst Ellebye had been stabbed several times and his chest had been stamped on. They were both white, by the way ... |
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If she's outside the door, yelling "open up", then the situation should have been called in on the radio. At that point, she supposedly believes that she has a burglar trapped in her own apartment. She can't cover the situation by herself at that point.
If the guy does not open the door, she'd have had to break it down by herself to get in. If she broke in, the guy inside might have gone after the intruder breaking in, not realizing it was a nutty cop. Therefore she gets to shoot him. If the guy does open the door because he sees a cop outside, how does he then get shot? He knows it's a cop, so he's just going to open the door and ask her what she wants. I'm leaning toward the "broke in" scenario. I wonder if she identified herself prior to entering? It seems like identifying herself should have ended the situation. |
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PD was supposed to give a press conference at 11:30, Dallas time I assume. Anybody?
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7th September 2018, 10:20 AM | #60 |
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7th September 2018, 10:22 AM | #61 |
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I wonder if she is going to claim she must have unknowingly touched something containing Fentanyl, and was messed up.
https://www.ems1.com/fentanyl/articl...lice-vehicles/ ^^ This happened in Texas BTW |
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"Breaking in?" How? Getting through a commercial apartment door, probably steel, wouldn't be that easy, especially if she wasn't walking around with a crowbar and fireax. If her key didn't work, and she still thought she was at the right unit, most people would think "there's something wrong with my lock" and call maintenance. Breaking in would cause a lot of damage, for which she would be billed.
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I believe your first sentence may be the reason why she will not receive any punishment. The jury would be sympathetic to the totally exhausted story since most of us can relate. I remember back in the day falling asleep on the subway and waking up in shock to find out that "this was my stop!" and quickly running out of the carriage and even through the turnstile before I realized that it wasn't my stop. I had one more stop to make. And I even had to buy another ticket since I went through the turnstile! Now, granted, I didn't kill anybody, although I almost killed my self for being so stupid, good thing everyone taking the subway was just a nameless stranger so nobody recognized me. |
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Here's an idea...
She can't get the key to work. He hears this and yells something from deeper in the apartment. She hears his voice but still doesn't realize that it's not her place. She draws her gun and is prepared to fire thinking it's an armed burglar. She yells, "Open up!". He comes to the door with cellphone-in-hand and looks through the peephole. He sees a uniformed cop and opens the door. She sees the cellphone and thinks it's a gun and instantly shoots him. Then she looks past him (crumpled on the floor) and sees that it's not her apartment. |
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From news reports, the doors are numbered.
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Let's not go too far down that road. Cops can already kill at will by claiming they are "scared for their lives." Let's not add "I was tired!" to the list. There's no possible justification for killing a random guy in his own home that the cop had no right to even be in.
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She may have thought that it's not worth the risk of losing her own life on the idea that an armed burglar will never ever yell anything.
Somebody has entered my apartment and locked me out. They are potentially a very dangerous thing whether they yell something or not. |
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I haven't heard yet.
But residents say the doors have keypads as well as keys, so I don't know what the officer thought. I guess her code didn't work, so she tried the key. At some point she figured out someone was inside. I'd like to know if she called in an active burglary. |
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