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10th May 2017, 10:52 AM | #441 |
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Lets see...
We've got multiple major media outlets all reporting that a request for more resources took place. We've also got officials associated with congress that say requests were made. On the other hand, from what I can see the "spokesman" saying that no request was made seems to be Ian Prior, who has only been with the DOJ for a month or 2. (So he came to the office after Trump was elected, and has served as Session's mouthpiece in the past.) Given the amount (and quality) of evidence as presented on both sides, I think that it much more likely that Comey asked for the resources, and that Prior is just trying to cover up. http://www.latimes.com/politics/wash...htmlstory.html https://ballotpedia.org/Ian_Prior |
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In your opinion, of course...
25 of them with at least 4 known to be penetrated? And there certainly hasn't been any investigation that we know of to establish their non-effect on the election. At a bare minimum they are grounds to call it's legitimacy into question.
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http://www.hackingdemocracy.com/ Also I'll refer you to the special election in GA's 6th District recently. Voter identification machines were stolen from several polling places in Fulton County, and a memory card that "didn't scan correctly" on the first pass went missing for some time. When found and re-scanned, Jon Ossoff's margin of victory in a VERY heavily Democratic area dropped below the 50% needed to outright win, forcing a runoff. http://www.ajc.com/news/local-govt--...XaJwMbmNYCMwL/ http://www.fox5atlanta.com/news/249413136-story http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017...-machines.html I was following the FB coverage of Ossoff that night, and the official reports don't really begin to cover the irregularities that commenters were reporting. Fulton Co has apparently a long history of "dodgy" election issues. |
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10th May 2017, 11:16 AM | #450 |
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As you might expect, I disagree. Whether Clinton changed her story or not, the reason she had to keep talking about it was the incessant drip-drip-drip of email leaks from Wikileaks (read: Russians). The whole thing would have been a non-issue had that not taken place. Of course, Comey did yeoman service in assisting that dripping.
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10th May 2017, 11:17 AM | #451 |
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Look at the flag in the gif.
Then look at this. http://img.112.international/origina.../02/261713.jpg |
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He's already stalled them via lack of funds.
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/fbi-d...ry?id=47318625 Removing Comey is just the last nail in the coffin. He's already demonstated he won't follow the laws protecting potential evidence. |
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The New York times is reporting that Comey told the Congress that he asked for more money and resources.
The DOJ is not denying that he told Congress that. they are denying that Comey asked Rosenstein for more money or more resources for the Russia investigation pretty simple. |
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Uhh, no.
From: http://www.latimes.com/politics/wash...htmlstory.html Comey met last week with Rod Rosenstein, the new deputy attorney general, and asked for both money and personnel to pursue the Russia probe, according to two officials ... One Democratic congressional aide said the request was for a “significant increase in resources.” Notice there? Its not Comey saying "I asked for more resources". There are Multiple people (who are not Comey) who have said they were privy to Comey asking for more resources. In other words, the evidence points it it happening as described. Comey asks for more resources, then Trump fires him.
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Oh, I agree this wasn't about Clinton. But I see the timing as a plus. The safeguards of democracy in the U.S. were already under attack before Comey was fired. IMO it's a good thing Trump's timing looks so bad.
Comey wasn't the only guy in the FBI investigating Russia ties. There are still career prosecutors who have an interest in pursuing Trump ties to Russia. Unfortunately, IMO, the Russia thing is a wild goose chase. Trump publicly called on Russia to interfere in the election process. It was on TV. What can investigators find that's worse? |
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No... they were CONGRESSIONAL officials who were told by Comey that he asked for more resources, they were obviously not in the meeting with Comey and his boss.
C'mon man. the Times broke the story, here is what they say:
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Actually, the spokesman for the DOJ, who was brought in after Trump was elected, and who has served as the mouthpiece for Sessions has said it did not happen. i.e. all we have it this point is a claim by a single individual (with ties to Trump) that it did not happen.
We do not have statements from people like Rosenstein (i.e. someone directly involved in the request) saying it did not happen. But we do have statements from others who were privy to the meeting who said a request was made. So, either the DOJ spokesman is simply misinformed (since he can't be expected to know everything that happened in every meeting) or he's a lying sack of crap and is covering for Trump. |
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They can find financial ties between Trump and Putin. They can find documented evidence of outright treason, collaboration of the Trump campaign in the hack of the DNC, or even evidence of back-channels with the hackers, or those who ordered it.
You might have noticed, but it's become something of a national pastime interpreting what Trump means when he speaks. To his supporters, he always mean what they want him to mean. To those of us with some remaining sanity, he speaks BS. What he meant when he called on Russia to hack the Democrats can be explained away. Hard, documentary evidence, can't to the same extent. After all this is over, provided the US retains a democratically elected government, people are going to go to court over this. Discovery for that process has started. |
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But back to the topic at hand... Comey's firing had nothing to do with Clinton and everything to do with freaking out about the FBI Trump-Russia investigation. |
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Personally, I can't wait for new FBI director Nugent to get to the bottom of all of this.
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The plot thickens.
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Flores, who is part of the Trump administration, and who has worked closely with Sessions (who earlier had recused himself from the Russian investigation), is someone you think can be trusted to give an honest accounting of a meeting she probably wasn't even at? Do you notice a pattern here? Those who are saying that Comey asked for more resources include a wide range of people. The people who are claiming that it was a "lie" that Comey asked for more money are all involved with Trump in some way. |
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face palm.
I know because the Congress people who talked to the times were not at the meeting. Learn what hearsay is. Blown away by how obtuse people are. Really, i am just laying out the facts of what the two sides of the dispute are, and people cannot understand something so simple. |
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